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>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO "MINORITY MATTERS" I AM YOUR
HOST SYLVESTER SMITH. THERE HAVE BEEN MOVIES, DOCUMENTARY
ANDS BLOGS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN HAIR AND
WHAT CONSTITUTES GOOD HAIR IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE DEBATE
OVER NATURAL OR PERMED OR TEXTURED
HAIR HAS BEEN PICKING UP FOR A WHILE AND SOME SAY THAT NATURAL
HAIR IS CONNECTION TO OUR AFRICAN HERITAGE AND *** HAIR
IS NOT PROFESSIONAL AND PREFER IT STRAIGHTENED CHEMICALLY OR
OTHERWISE AND WE WILL TALK WITH DIAN HICKS OF DIAN'S MIRACLE
BAZAAR AND ANGELA BRADFORD-BARNES A STAY-AT-HOME
MOM AND DECARLO COLLINS A INTERNET RADIO TALK SHOW HOST.
LADIES, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS INTERESTING TOPIC. IT SEEMS
WHEREVER YOU GO WHETHER IN THE BEAUTY SHOP, THE BARBER SHOP OR
AT WORK OR READING SOCIAL MEDIA THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR
A LOT ABOUT AND OFTEN OUR FRIENDS
IN THE WHITE COMMUNITY ARE OFTEN
CURIOUS ABOUT THIS ISSUE AS WELL. IN A POINT IN MY LIFE I
WORE NATURAL HAIR AND I GOT REQUESTS TO FEEL IT AND TOUCH
IT AND WHAT IT'S LIKE AND LET'S
GET INTO THIS AND TALK ABOUT THIS
AND ANGELA I WILL START WITH YOU
AND YOU HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR CHOICE TO
HAVE NATURAL HAIR? >> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING
AFTER ALL THIS TIME WE'RE STILL THINK GOING THIS ISSUE AND
SENSITIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I AM ONE OF THE ACCIDENTAL
NATURALISTS AND IN 2008 I WAS WORKING OUT A LOT AND LOSING
WEIGHT AND I HAD HAIR FALLING OUT AND CHUNKS AND ONE DAY I
WALKED INTO MY BEAUTICIAN'S OFFICE AND SHAVE IT OFF RIGHT
NOW AND I DIDN'T TRANSITION LIKE
OTHERS AND PERM IT AND UNTIL IT'S NATURAL AND I SHAVED IT
OFF AT ONCE AND THEN I TURNED IN
THE MIRROR AND ALMOST SCREAMED SO
IMMEDIATELY I WENT TO A HAIR STORE AND I TO ADMIT THIS I
PURCHASED A WIG IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE I WAS ASHAMED OF THE
IMAGE I SAW. IT WAS A WOMAN I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE SO I TOOK CARE
OF MY HAIR. PEOPLE HAVE A MISCONCEPTION ONCE YOU TURN
NATURAL YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT TO IT. THAT'S FAR FROM THE
TRUTH AND I DID RESEARCH. THERE
ARE YOUTUBE VIDEOS HOW TO STYLE YOUR HAIR, COME UP WITH
DIFFERENT PRODUCTS FOR YOUR HAIR, AND I KIND OF FOUND WHAT
WORKED FOR ME, AND I WOULD KIND OF MAKE OLIVE OIL AND COCONUT
OIL AND SHEA MOISTURE AND NURSED
MY HAIR UNTIL IT GREW OUT. WHEN
I DYE MY HAIR I AM CONSCIOUS OF WHAT I PUT IN MY SYSTEM AND
USED A DYE GOOD FOR NATURAL HAIR SO
IT'S ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I
EVER MADE. >> NOW, IF I HAVE THE
CHRONOLOGY RIGHT WHEN YOU MADE THIS
TRANSITION YOU WERE WORKING AT A
MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY. >> I WAS.
>> AND HOW DID YOUR WHITE COLLEAGUES VIEWED THIS SHIFT
WHEN YOU STARTED DISPLAYING YOUR
NATURAL HAIR? >> IT WAS INTERESTING AND ONCE
I DID THE BIG CHOP I CONCEALED MY
HAIR FOR A LONG TIME AND I WOULD
GET COMPLEMENTS "YOUR HAIR IS SO
NICE" AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WASN'T MY HAIR SO WHEN I WOULD
WEAR MY HAIR -- "OH YOU JUST GOT
A HAIRCUT" SO THEY WERE OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON.
MORE SO THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS I
WAS IN CONTACT WITH AND THEY WERE CONSCIOUS "OH YOU WENT
NATURAL" INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT'S THE NATURAL CONDITION OF
YOUR HAIR, SO I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PUSH BACK IN MY
OPINION FROM CAUCASIAN COLLEAGUES AT ALL.
>> DECARLO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN THOUGHTS. YOU'RE A INTERNET
RADIO HOST AND WITH DECARLO COLLINS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR
OPINION WITH WOMEN WITH NATURAL HAIR?
>> I GREW UP IN SOUTH ARKANSAS SO TOLD EITHER TO HAVE YOUR
HAIR STRAIGHTENED OUR HAVE IT CUT
LIKE MOST BOYS OR PEOPLE OR IF YOU DID CORNROWS OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT YOU ARE LOOKED LIKE OTHERWISE AND WHEN YOU COME UP
IN THE WORLD YOU'RE STEREOTYPED AND WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AND
WHEN I SAW A WOMAN WITH NATURAL HAIR
OKAY SHE'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF IT.
WHY IS IT LOOKING LIKE THIS? AND THEN MY OWN EDUCATION CAME
UP AND MOST OF THAT IS FROM GETTING THE CHEMICALS OUT OF
THE HAIR OR SYSTEM, BUT WHEN YOU GO
INTO A CORPORATE SOCIETY AND ME AS WORKING AND A HIRING MANAGER
WHEN YOU SEE A PERSON WITH STRAIGHT HAIR AND CLEAN CUT AND
YOU'RE LOOKING THAT THEY PRESENT
THEMSELVES WELL AND A ATTITUDE OF I AM COMING IN. I AM CLEAN
CUT. I AM PERFECT. THIS IS A JOB FOR ME. I KNOW WHAT I WANT
TO DO BUT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME IN WITH YOUR STYLE OF HAIR
OR CORNROWS OR DREADS AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND YOU HAVE
THEM PROBABLY STEREOTYPED IN AND
I AM USED TO SEEING A MAN OR WOMAN WITH THE HAIR STRAIGHT OR
LIKE OURS AND THEY FIT WHAT WE NEED, NOT THE PERSON THAT WALKS
IN WITH DREADS OR CORNROWS OR HAIR SHAGGED OR ANYTHING LIKE
THAT BECAUSE THE FIRST THING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS HOW
ARE THEY GOING TO REPRESENT US IN
THE COMPANY AND THE WORLD? THAT'S HOW I PERCEIVE T DO I
PREFER A WOMAN WITH NATURAL OR STRAIGHT HAIR? IT DEPENDS HOW
THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. LET'S BE HONEST. FOR YOU IT WAS BY
ACCIDENT ALMOST. FOR SOME -- SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT BY CHOICE
AND IF YOU HAVE THAT WOMAN THAT SAYS "I'M GOING TO GO NATURAL"
AND NEXT THING SHE GOES 2-3
WEEKS WITHOUT A PERM IN IT AND DRIVES HER NUTS AND NEXT THING
I TO GO BACK AND GET THIS BOX AND
PUT THE PERM BACK IN MY HAIR AND
CAN'T HANDLE IT AND THERE SAY TRUE PROCESS AND I SEE IT FROM
THAT POINT BUT I AM USED TO LONG
OR STRAIGHT HAIR BECAUSE OF WHERE I COME FROM AND THAT'S
HOW WE TALK.
>> LET'S THROW THIS OUT BACK THERE AND JELL JELL AND DIAN
YOU MAY HAVE RESPONSE TO THAT AND I
WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THE NATURAL HAIR
AND THE AN TIS THIS OF THE NATURAL IMAGE AND LADIES WHAT
ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? >> IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE ARE
STILL THINKING ON THAT LINES AND WE
LIVE IN A MULTI-CULTURAL SOCIETY
AND GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT AND THERE
ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, AND
IT'S KIND OF A CULTURAL INSENSITIVE TO SAY THAT THE WAY
THAT GOD BLESSED YOUR WAY TO COME OUT IS SOMEHOW
UNPROFESSIONAL. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A CERTAIN SOCIETY AND
THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND SOMETIMES THAT'S ALL YOU REALLY
SEE IS THE STRAIGHTS, OR THE PERMS OR WEAVED
HAIR AND IN SOME SOCIETIES THAT'S THE NORM AND IS THAT
RIGHT? IS THAT FAIR? A PERSON COULD WALK IN AND HAVE ALL OF
THE CREDENTIALS A POSITION NEEDS
AND BECAUSE THEIR APPEARANCE DOESN'T FIT WITH THE IMAGE THEY
MIGHT BE THEY GET PASSED UP ON THE JOB AND I THINK THAT IS
INSENSITIVE AND UNFAIR. >> THAT IS TRUE. GO AHEAD
MS. DIAN. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT EVEN
THOUGH THEY PICTURE US AS BEING WHEN YOU WALK IN -- LIKE
DECARLO WAS SAYING AND IT FORMS A
PICTURE BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IF YOU TALK ABOUT IT WHETHER
IT'S NATURAL, STRAIGHT, CORNROWS
AND THE MAIN THING IS TAKING CARE OF THE HAIR AND YOU CAN
WEAR IT AND IT'S PRESENTABLE AND
CLEAN AND EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN
OPINION ABOUT YOU IN THE WORK SOCIETY, BUT STILL WE GOT TO
LOOK AT SOMETIMES -- YOU LOOK AT
SOMEONE COME IN IT'S NOT KEPT UP.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT GOES FOR ALL HAIR.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> CORNROWS -- EXCUSE ME,
EITHER CORNROWS -- YOU KNOW, THE
DREADS. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> BECAUSE I WENT INTO A SUBWAY AND THE GUY HAD DREADS AND NO
NET ON THE HAIR AND I WALKED STRAIGHT OUT. NO, I'M NOT
EATING MY OWN HAIR. I'M NOT EATING YOURS AND THAT'S THE WAY
I LOOK AT IT AND IF IT'S NOT CLEAN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT
AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY IN SOCIETY.
>> AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK HOW YOU CAME UP IN HIGH SCHOOL AND
COLLEGE AND THE FIRST THING THEY
SAY IS WHEN YOU GO ON A JOB INTERVIEW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT
WHEN YOU WALK IN THAT'S THE FIRST IMPRESSION.
>> I AGREE. >> AND THAT HAPPENS AND I COULD
SAY ME AS BEING IN THE UPPER MANAGEMENT POSITION WHERE I
SEEN A POSITION WALK IN AND THE
FIRST THING I AM LOOKING AT IS HOW
ARE THEY COMING FROM THE INTERVIEW?
I AM HONEST AND THAT'S HOW I AM
LOOKING AT IT AND WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING LIKE IN THE INTERVIEW
AND I HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL AND
SUITS AND PRESENT THEMSELVES AS A PROFESSIONAL AND THEN YOU
HAVE THE ONES THAT CAME IN YOU DON'T
KNOW WHO RAISED THEM. YOU HAVE SAGGING JEANS AND THEIR HAIR IS
REPRESENTING PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY HAVE ON AND THAT IS THE
STEREOTYPE WHERE IT COMES FROM SO IMAGINE THEY GO INTO A
OFFICE WHERE THE WHITE PERSON IS THE
HIRING MANAGER WHAT ABOUT THAT?
THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT THEY SHOULD ALMOST LOOK LIKE US FROM
A WHITE'S PERSON STANDPOINT, NOT
HOW THEY LOOK. IF YOU LOOK AT TODAY'S JOBS AND WAY THEY'RE
DOING IT NOW ANYTHING IS ALMOST ACCEPTED IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM
NATURAL HAIR, TO THE WAY THEY DRESS. A LOT OF TIMES YOU GO
TO THE INTERVIEW THEY DON'T HAVE
YOU WEAR A SUIT ANYMORE AND NOW THE HAIR STYLE IT'S ACCEPTED TO
SEE SOMEONE WITH DREAD LOCKS OR NATURAL HAIR THAT'S COMING TO
THE JOB INTRODUCE OR EVEN OWNING
A BUSINESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE COMING IN AND
PRESENTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT
AS MS. DIAN SAID IT'S HOW YOU TAKE CARE OF IT AND THAT'S THE
PROBLEM A LOT OF TIMES. WE HAVE
SOME PEOPLE -- LIKE YOU FOR EXAMPLE AND A LOT OF WOMEN THEY
KNOW THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR HAIR BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LOOK
GOOD AND PRESENTABLE WHEN THEY GO OUT AND YOU HAVE SOME DO IT
AND WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEY HAVE A BAG IN THEIR HAIR
TRYING TO KEEP THINGS FROM SHOWING AND WHATEVER IT IS AND
THAT HAPPENS AND THAT PERCEPTION
STILL. >> I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE HYGIENE OF
IT AND ALSO THE STYLING BECAUSE YOU CAN WEAR AN AFRO
AND CLEANED AND MAINTAINED BUT NOT APPROPRIATE.
>> YEAH. >> I CAN GET THAT PERCEPTION.
>> HERE'S THE OTHER THING AND SOMETIMES MY JOB IS TO PLAY
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND DECARLO IS OUT NUMBERED
HERE AND DIAN SAID YOU WENT TO A
BUSINESS AND YOU DO NATURAL HAIR
AND NATURAL HAIR NOT AS CONTAINED AS WELL AS IT COULD
BE AND TAINTDED THAT PERCEPTION OF
THAT BUSINESS AND TO DECARLO'S POINT THERE ARE BUSINESSES ALL
OVER AMERICA THAT BELIEVE THAT OUR PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WANT TO
PROJECT FOR OUR BUSINESS IS A MAINSTREAM PERSPECTIVE AND IF
YOU WEAR NATURAL HAIR, AND I HAVE WORN NATURAL HAIR THEN
YOU'RE WANT NECESSARILY PROJECTING A MAINSTREAM IMAGE
SO FAIR OR NOT ONE OF THE THINGS
YOU SAID DECARLO IT'S NOT FAIR TO MAKE AN OPINION OF A PERSON
BASED ON THE HAIR BUT IT'S AN ORGANIZATION'S RIGHT TO SAY
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR IMAGE
HERE. >> I AGREE IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY
BECAUSE A PERSON CAME INTO THE FACILITY WITH A NATURAL IMAGE
THAT THEY NOT PUT THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD. I'M NOT SURE IF
THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT AND I HAVE BEEN IN HR AND I
UNDERSTAND YOU WANT SOMEONE TO FIT INTO
YOUR CULTURE AND IF THAT'S NOT THE IMAGE THAT YOU PROJECT THEN
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. >> AND IT ALSO AFFECTS OUR
SOCIETY NOW IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE
RAISING MOST OF OUR CHILDREN TODAY. WE GIVE THEM THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR OWN IMAGE OR HAVE THEIR OWN WAY OF
LOOKING IN LIFE, YOU KNOW, AND COMING UP -- AND I KNOW COMING
UP WHEN WE WERE YOUNG YOUR MOWRKT, YOUR FATHER, YOUR
GRANDPARENTS TAUGHT YOU WHEN YOU
WALK OUT INTO THIS WORLD YOU HAVE TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY.
YOU HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN WAY. IF
NOT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT PERCEPTION FROM THE GET GO. MY
MOTHER USED TO TELL ME FIRST YOU
HAVE TWO STRIKES AGAINST YOU IN THIS WORLD. FIRST OF ALL
YOU'RE BLACK AND SECOND YOU'RE MALE SO
WHATEVER YOU DO AFTER THIS THE THIRD STRIKE IS GOING TO COME
IMMEDIATELY SO THAT'S WHY I LOOK
AT WHEN I GO OUT AND WHETHER IT'S MY JOB OR WHETHER ON THE
RADIO OR OUT IN THE PUBLIC I ALWAYS MAKE SURE EITHER WAY I
AM GOING TO LOOK PRESENTABLE AND I
DON'T WANT SOMEONE GOING TO MY JOB OR SOMEWHERE AND I SAW
DECARLO THE OTHER DAY AND HIS HAIR WAS RAGGITY. HE DIDN'T
SHAVE. HE HAD BEAT UP TENNIS SHOES. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH
HIM? BECAUSE OF YOUR IMAGE AND REGARDLESS WHAT YOU SAY OUR
IMAGE CARRIES US SO MUCH AND THAT IS HOW THE SOCIETY IS. DO
WE WANT IT LIKE THAT? NO. BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH.
>> AND THERE ARE THINGS TO LOOK AT AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT
YOURSELF AND DO I WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS? AND EVEN THOUGH WE
RAISED OUR CHILDREN AND MY GRANDMOTHER SAID "YOU ALWAYS
HAVE TO BE CLEAN NO MATTER WHERE
YOU'RE GOING" AND NOW WE HAVE CHILDREN RAISING CHILDREN SO WE
HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS AREA AND THEY'RE KNOW TEACHING LIKE US
AND DO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO BUSY BUT WHERE I
GREW UP PARENTS TOLD US THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. THIS IS
NOT WHAT YOU NEED TO. DO YOU NEED TO TAKE A BATH EVERY
NIGHT, BRUSH YOUR TEETH, AND TAKE CARE
OF YOUR HAIR AND PUT DEODORANT ON AND THE CHILDREN ARE RAISING
THEMSELVES AND ANOTHER GENERATION AND THESE KIDS ARE
RAISING THEMSELVES AND THE HAIR COMES OUT AND ON THE BUS LINE.
IT'S AWFUL BUT STILL THAT THEY ARE REPRESENTING US AND WHETHER
IT'S AGREEABLE IN THE SOCIETY. SOCIETY -- WE HAVE TO LEARN TO
TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES. WE HAVE
TO BE PRESENTABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE TO. IF YOU'RE NOT PROBABLABLE YOU WILL NOT GET A
JOB. >> LET ME ASK THIS AND YOU'RE A
HAIR STYLISTS AND DO NATURAL HAIR AND WEAVED HAIR AND WHAT
ARE YOU HEARING HOW IT'S PERCEIVED BY MAINSTREAM AMERICA?
>> SOME SAY IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE AND I COULD SAY THE SAME THING.
IT'S NOT ABOUT ACCEPTABLE. WE
SAY PRESENT YOURSELF WELL. MY CLIENT SAYS "L I WAS GOING TO
GO NATURAL AND ON THE JOB I
GETTING BAD INFLUENCE AND CONTACT AND
I'M GOING BACK STRAIGHT." I AM SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE OF YOU
DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK STRAIGHT.
YOU CAN PRESS YOUR HAIR. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE
PRESS HAIR WORKS AS WELL AS THE PERMED HAIR.
>> YAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. >> THE PERM HAIR IS THE PROCESS
IN HOW YOU DO IT. IT'S A PROCESS AND YOU NEED A PROCESS
GOING DOING THE PRESSED HAIR AND
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRESS BECAUSE THEY STOP
TEACHING IN SCHOOLS.
>> LET'S BACK UP AND WE HAVE 10 MINUTES LEFT AND I WANT TO HELP
WITH THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS FOR THE AUDIENCE. WILL YOU WALK US
THROUGH PERMED HAIR, PRESSED HAIR AND NATURAL HAIR.
>> PERMED HAIR AND USE THE TEXLAXER AND STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
>> WHAT IS THAT? >> IT'S SODIUM HYDROXIDE AND
YOU MIX IT UP AND IN THE HAIR AND
PULL IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE HAIR AND STRAIGHTENS THE AREA
AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL PRESS HAIR. WE HAVE A HOT COM.
PUT IT ON THE STOVE AND PRESS
IT AND IT'S HOT BECAUSE IT WILL
BURN IF IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE SCALP AND NATURAL HAIR IS WHEN
YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING ON THE HAIR. I HAVE NATURAL HAIR. NO
CHEMICALS AT ALL. BUT WE AS A CULTURE, BLACK,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AMERICA WE HAVE ABOUT THREE
DIFFERENT LAYERS OF HAIR ON OUR HEAD RIGHT NOW SO IF YOU LEARN
HAIR THEN YOU CAN DO ANY TYPE OF
HAIR BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BEAUTICIANS -- I SAY BECAUSE I
AM IN COSMETOLOGY WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH THE
INDIVIDUALS BUT THE HAIR PERMED,
PRESSED OR STRAIGHT. THEY CAN ALL LOOK GOOD AND HOW YOU TAKE
CARE OF IT AND WHAT YOU DO. MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND ON
THE SCALP AND ON THE SKIN AND USE ANTIACCEPTIC. SCALP
ANTISKEPTIC TO CLEAN THE SCALP AREA. WE CLEAN THE HAIR BUT
THE SCALP YOU NEVER TOUCH AND YOU
GET THROUGH AND YOU HAVE RESIDUE
ON THE SCALP AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING. "MY HAIR DON'T SHINE."
YOU HAVE NATURAL OILS AND IT WILL SHINE. YOU WILL HAVE THE
NATURAL OIL GLANDS IN THE BODY AND IT WILL SHINE BUT YOU HAVE
TO CLEANSE THE HAIR WELL. WITH NATURAL HAIR IT'S WORK.
NATURAL HAIR IS WORK. IT TAKES MORE TO
DO NATURAL HAIR THAN PERMED HAIR. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE
EVERY STRAND OF THE HAIR AND EVERYTHING COMES FROM THE
ENVIRONMENT AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE
SURE IT'S CLEAN. AND I CAN SAY ANYTHING THING AND BAKING SODA
AND SHAMPOO AND CLEANSE THE HAIR
AND FEEL LIKE SILK AND CLEANSE THE HAIR. YOU WILL SEE STUFF
COMING THROUGH THE SINK WHEN YOU
RINSE IT OUT BECAUSE ACCUMULATE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NATURAL
AND HOLDS MORE, BUT WHEN THE HAIR IS STRAIGHT IT DOESN'T
HOLD AS MUCH. SEE THE LOOPS AROUND
IT SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. DIFFERENT
SHAMPOOS. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE YOU CAN'T
PUT EVERY SHAMPOO YOU SEE AND MOST TIMES THE CHEAPER THAT'S
WHAT THEY GRAB BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT HAS TOO MUCH
DETERJ ANTD IN THERE AND IT STRIPS.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME. I
HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH AND THIS WHOLE PERMING PROCESS, THOSE
CHEMICALS THAT YOU DESCRIBED, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE -- THEY
INTERACT WITH THE HAIR AND THEY LITERALLY CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF
THE HAIR DOWN TO A MOLECULAR LEVEL AND THIS PROCESS OF
TEXTURIZING IT REALLY IS A CHEMICAL PROCESS, SO WHAT ARE
YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WAY THAT
CHEMICAL PROCESS AFFECTS THE HAIR, THE SCALP
AND THE BODY AND ARE THERE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS FOR PUTTING
INTO THE SYSTEM? >> IT WILL AFFECT ME MORE THE
INDIVIDUAL AND I AM SMELLING IT ON TOP OF THE HEAD. YOU HAVE
TO WASH THE SCALP AND THAT'S WHY
YOU BASE THE SCALP SO DOWN INTO THE SCALP AND AN EIGHTH AWAY
FROM THE SCALP. MOST JUST SLAP IT ON AND THEY'RE NOT EDUCATED
WITH IT. PEOPLE SAY "I DO MY OWN" AND THAT'S FINE AND AS A
BEAUTICIAN AND GO FOR A JOB AND WHOLE LINE OF PEOPLE AND I GO
TO SCHOOL TO LEARN THIS BECAUSE
WHEN I FIRST WENT TO SCHOOL I WAS DOING HAIR BUT I DIDN'T
KNOW THE CHEMICALS BEHIND IT AND
IT'S DANGEROUS DOING THIS SO YOU
HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BUT YOU PUT A
PROTECTOR ON THE SCALP AND YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME
TO LEAVE IT ON AND TAKE IT OFF.
>> I HAVE FOUR MINUTES LEFT ANGELA AND YOU HAVE FOUR
DAUGHTERS AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING
TO DO WITH THEIR HAIR OR IF HEALTH PLAYS A CONCERN?
>> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING CHEMICALS IN MY DAUGHTER'S
HAIR. MY 13 YEAR OLD HAD A PERM AND
GREW UP I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT THE HAIR STARTED
TO SHED AS WELL AND SHE ASKED TO
GET IT CUT AND SHE HAS HAIR THAT
SHE CAN DO THAT AND SHE'S NATURAL AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY
THAT WAY AND PUTTING CHEMICALS ON A CHILD'S HEAD EVERY SIX
WEEKS IS A HEALTH HAZARD AND I GOT SOME ON MY SCALP AND IT
BLISTERED AND BURNED AND IT WAS HORRIBLE AND IF YOU DO THAT
EVERY SIX WEEKS YOUR ENTIRE LIFE
IT HAS TO BE RELATED TO SOME HEALTH ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD SO
WE'RE GOING TO SAY NATURAL AS LONG AS I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING? >> SURE.
>> WHEN DEALING WITH CHILDREN WHEN THEY REACH THE AGE OF 12,
13 YEARS OLD YOU PUT A PERM ON THE HEAD THEN. YOU DO NOT PUT
A PERM ON THE CHILD'S HAIR BEFORE
THEN AND IF IT'S A GIRL HER BODY
IS CHANGING AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS AFFECTS THE HAIR AND
WHATEVER IS GOING ON IN THE BODY
AND IT'S AFFECTING THE HAIR AND IF YOU PUT THE PERM ON BEFORE
13 THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO THE
CHILD. >> WELL, DIAN YOU CLEARLY KNOW
A LOT ABOUT THIS. WILL YOU SHARE
WITH THE VIEWERS HOW THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
>> SURE. I AM DIAN HICKS AND I AM THE OWNER OF DIAN'S MIRACLE
BAZAAR AND 6420 MABELVALE AND MY
PHONE NUMBER IS LISTED. YOU CAN
REACH ME THERE. >> AND DECARLO WOULD YOU LET
THE VIEWERS KNOW WHERE THEY CAN
CHECK OUT THE RADIO SHOW? >> YEAH, ON [INAUDIBLE].COM.
THE NAME OF THE SHOW IS [INAUDIBLE] WITH DECARLO. I
AIR IT EVERY SUNDAY FROM
6:00 O'CLOCK TO 8:00 O'CLOCK AND
DIFFERENT RADIO TOPICS AND CHECK
ME OUT AT TWITTER AND MY EMAIL IS COLLINS UNDER SCORE DECARLO
AT YAHOO.COM. >> WE WILL WRAP IT UP WITH
FINAL THOUGHTS AND I WILL START WITH
YOU DECARLO. YOU'RE MARRIED. DOES YOUR WIFE HAVE NATURAL
HAIR OR A PERM?
>> SHE HAS A PERM. I SEE THE BOX
EVERYDAY BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY THIS AND I APPLAUD
YOU WITH YOUR CHILDREN AND GIRLS
-- ACTUALLY I'M DOING THE SAME THING. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT
THAT FROM THE DAY -- BEFORE SHE WAS BORN WE WERE GOING TO LET
THE HAIR GO NATURAL UNTIL THAT POINT AND AS I SAID WE TALKED
ABOUT PERCEPTION AND I THINK THE
PERCEPTION OF HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR HAIR IS DONE BETTER THAN
THE PERCEPTION FOR EVERYBODY, AND NOT JUST AFRICAN-AMERICANS
AND ALL OF CREATION AND THIS IS THE WAY IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE.
>> ANGELA LAST WORDS. >> LAST WORD IS I LOVE MY
NATURAL. I WISH MORE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN AND MEN
WOULD EMBRACE THEIR NATURAL -- NATURAL HAIR STATE BUT IT DOES
TAKE WORK. YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN
IT AND OF COURSE KEEP IT HEALTHY
BUT IT'S ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I EVER MADE.
>> DIAN. >> AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS
REALLY GOOD AND IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO KNOW, THE
PERCEPTION OF THE HAIR AND HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HAIR AND
YOU ARE ONCE THEY LOOK AT YOU THE FIRST IMPRESSION IS THE
BEST IMPRESSION AND UP TO PAR TO
WHAT WE'RE DOING.
>> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT TOPIC AND I THINK MY THOUGHTS
IN CLOSING WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
WORK TO MAKE SURE WHETHER WE HAVE STRAIGHT OR NATURAL HAIR
THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK GOOD AND WELL PREPARED AND MORE THAN
THAT THAT WE ARE WELL QUALIFIED FOR
WHATEVER OPPORTUNITY WE'RE PURSUING AND WITH THEY WANT TO
THANK ALL OF OUR VIEWERS FOR WATCHING US. ONCE AGAIN THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.