Interesting People #305 - Robert a. clifford, esq.

WELCOME. TODAY MY GUEST IS ROBERT A CLIFFORD, TRIAL LAWYER, BOB. TODAY MY GUEST IS ROBERT A CLIFFORD, TRIAL LAWYER, BOB. WELCOME. CLIFFORD, TRIAL LAWYER, BOB. WELCOME. THANK YOU, ED. WELCOME. THANK YOU, ED. DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU, ED. DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. >>IN 2005, YOU WERE FEATURED IN DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. >>IN 2005, YOU WERE FEATURED IN THE ISSUE OF THE ILLINOIS SUPER >>IN 2005, YOU WERE FEATURED IN THE ISSUE OF THE ILLINOIS SUPER LAWYERS AS BEING "CHICAGO'S MOST THE ISSUE OF THE ILLINOIS SUPER LAWYERS AS BEING "CHICAGO'S MOST LIKEABLE TOUGH GUY." LAWYERS AS BEING "CHICAGO'S MOST LIKEABLE TOUGH GUY." DO YOU RECALL THAT? LIKEABLE TOUGH GUY." DO YOU RECALL THAT? >> I DO. DO YOU RECALL THAT? >> I DO. >>WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? >> I DO. >>WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? >> WELL, SUPER LAWYERS IS A >>WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? >> WELL, SUPER LAWYERS IS A PUBLICATION THAT TAKES A LOOK AT >> WELL, SUPER LAWYERS IS A PUBLICATION THAT TAKES A LOOK AT THE TRIAL BAR IN VARIOUS PUBLICATION THAT TAKES A LOOK AT THE TRIAL BAR IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN AMERICA AND TELLS THE TRIAL BAR IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN AMERICA AND TELLS THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEM. COMMUNITIES IN AMERICA AND TELLS THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEM. I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A LAWYER. THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEM. I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A LAWYER. VERY PROUD TO BE A TRIAL LAWYER. I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A LAWYER. VERY PROUD TO BE A TRIAL LAWYER. WHAT I DO IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY PROUD TO BE A TRIAL LAWYER. WHAT I DO IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO I THINK THE WHAT I DO IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO I THINK THE COMMUNITY AND IMPORTANT TO ME VERY IMPORTANT TO I THINK THE COMMUNITY AND IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. COMMUNITY AND IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO DO PERSONALLY. AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO DO AN ARTICLE THAT WAS ON THE AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO DO AN ARTICLE THAT WAS ON THE COVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, I PAID AN ARTICLE THAT WAS ON THE COVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, I PAID THEM TO SAY THAT! (LAUGHING) COVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, I PAID THEM TO SAY THAT! (LAUGHING) BEING A NICE GUY. THEM TO SAY THAT! (LAUGHING) BEING A NICE GUY. >>A LOT OF MONEY! BOB, IT ALSO BEING A NICE GUY. >>A LOT OF MONEY! BOB, IT ALSO SUGGESTED YOU ARE CHICAGO'S MOST >>A LOT OF MONEY! BOB, IT ALSO SUGGESTED YOU ARE CHICAGO'S MOST FEARED ATTORNEY. SUGGESTED YOU ARE CHICAGO'S MOST FEARED ATTORNEY. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND FEARED ATTORNEY. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THEM TO SAY. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THEM TO SAY. IF WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT IS OF THEM TO SAY. IF WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT IS THAT I BELIEVE IN PREPARATION, IF WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT IS THAT I BELIEVE IN PREPARATION, THAT I EXHAUST ALL OF MY THAT I BELIEVE IN PREPARATION, THAT I EXHAUST ALL OF MY RESOURCES TO TRY TO PREVAIL ON THAT I EXHAUST ALL OF MY RESOURCES TO TRY TO PREVAIL ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENTS, THEN THEY RESOURCES TO TRY TO PREVAIL ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENTS, THEN THEY HIT THE MARK THERE. BEHALF OF MY CLIENTS, THEN THEY HIT THE MARK THERE. CERTAINLY I HAVE HAD MY FAIR HIT THE MARK THERE. CERTAINLY I HAVE HAD MY FAIR MEASURE OF OF SUCCESS IN FRONT CERTAINLY I HAVE HAD MY FAIR MEASURE OF OF SUCCESS IN FRONT OF A JURY, BUT I HAVE ALSO LOST. MEASURE OF OF SUCCESS IN FRONT OF A JURY, BUT I HAVE ALSO LOST. I HAVE LOST, I HAVE WON. OF A JURY, BUT I HAVE ALSO LOST. I HAVE LOST, I HAVE WON. WINNING IS BETTER. I HAVE LOST, I HAVE WON. WINNING IS BETTER. >>THEY ALSO SUGGESTED BOB CLIFF WINNING IS BETTER. >>THEY ALSO SUGGESTED BOB CLIFF OFFERED IS A LAMB -- CLIFFORD IS >>THEY ALSO SUGGESTED BOB CLIFF OFFERED IS A LAMB -- CLIFFORD IS A LAMB WHO TURNS INTO A LION OFFERED IS A LAMB -- CLIFFORD IS A LAMB WHO TURNS INTO A LION WHEN IT COMES TO INJUSTICE. A LAMB WHO TURNS INTO A LION WHEN IT COMES TO INJUSTICE. >>THAT'S A NICE DESCRIPTION. WHEN IT COMES TO INJUSTICE. >>THAT'S A NICE DESCRIPTION. I KNOW THIS, I AM VERY >>THAT'S A NICE DESCRIPTION. I KNOW THIS, I AM VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WHAT I DO. I KNOW THIS, I AM VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WHAT I DO. I TAKE OUR ROLE AS LAWYERS IN ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WHAT I DO. I TAKE OUR ROLE AS LAWYERS IN OUR DEMOCRACY GOVERNED BY THE I TAKE OUR ROLE AS LAWYERS IN OUR DEMOCRACY GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW VERY SERIOUSLY. OUR DEMOCRACY GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW VERY SERIOUSLY. IF I SEE SOMEBODY TAKING RULE OF LAW VERY SERIOUSLY. IF I SEE SOMEBODY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT I REPRESENT IF I SEE SOMEBODY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT I REPRESENT THAT CAN'T PROTECT THEMSELVES, I ADVANTAGE OF THAT I REPRESENT THAT CAN'T PROTECT THEMSELVES, I GET INTO FIGHTING FOR THEM. THAT CAN'T PROTECT THEMSELVES, I GET INTO FIGHTING FOR THEM. >>WHAT IS THIS INNER CIRCLE GET INTO FIGHTING FOR THEM. >>WHAT IS THIS INNER CIRCLE BUSINESS THIS . INNER CIRCLE IS >>WHAT IS THIS INNER CIRCLE BUSINESS THIS . INNER CIRCLE IS A GROUP OF LAWYERS THROUGHOUT BUSINESS THIS . INNER CIRCLE IS A GROUP OF LAWYERS THROUGHOUT COUNTRY, ONE HUNDRED LAWYERS WHO A GROUP OF LAWYERS THROUGHOUT COUNTRY, ONE HUNDRED LAWYERS WHO ARE THE TOP LAWYERS IN THE COUNTRY, ONE HUNDRED LAWYERS WHO ARE THE TOP LAWYERS IN THE STATE. ARE THE TOP LAWYERS IN THE STATE. WE ARE THE FIRST LAWYERS TO STATE. WE ARE THE FIRST LAWYERS TO START GETTING SINK FIGURE WE ARE THE FIRST LAWYERS TO START GETTING SINK FIGURE VERDICTS ON BEHALF OF THEIR START GETTING SINK FIGURE VERDICTS ON BEHALF OF THEIR CLIENT, WHETHER THEY BE INJURY VERDICTS ON BEHALF OF THEIR CLIENT, WHETHER THEY BE INJURY CLIENTS OR CORPORATE CLIENTS. CLIENT, WHETHER THEY BE INJURY CLIENTS OR CORPORATE CLIENTS. >>TO BE CHOSEN, WHAT MUST YOU CLIENTS OR CORPORATE CLIENTS. >>TO BE CHOSEN, WHAT MUST YOU ACHIEVE? >>TO BE CHOSEN, WHAT MUST YOU ACHIEVE? >> YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE TOP OF ACHIEVE? >> YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE PILE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. >> YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE PILE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. >>A NUMBER OF CASES THAT YOU THE PILE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. >>A NUMBER OF CASES THAT YOU HAVE TO TRY? >>A NUMBER OF CASES THAT YOU HAVE TO TRY? >> THEY MAY HAVE THAT RIGOR NOW. HAVE TO TRY? >> THEY MAY HAVE THAT RIGOR NOW. BACK THEN THEY DID NOT. >> THEY MAY HAVE THAT RIGOR NOW. BACK THEN THEY DID NOT. >>YOU HAD ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN BACK THEN THEY DID NOT. >>YOU HAD ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. >>YOU HAD ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. NEW YORK POST. THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. NEW YORK POST. YOUR CV IS 35 SINGLE SPACED NEW YORK POST. YOUR CV IS 35 SINGLE SPACED LINES. YOUR CV IS 35 SINGLE SPACED LINES. >>I WORKED HARD. LINES. >>I WORKED HARD. >>DO YOU HAVE TIME TO SLEEP? >>I WORKED HARD. >>DO YOU HAVE TIME TO SLEEP? >> I DO. >>DO YOU HAVE TIME TO SLEEP? >> I DO. BUT I AM TELLING YOU, I LIKE >> I DO. BUT I AM TELLING YOU, I LIKE WHAT I DO! THAT'S WHAT IS BUT I AM TELLING YOU, I LIKE WHAT I DO! THAT'S WHAT IS EXCITING ABOUT MY PRACTICE. WHAT I DO! THAT'S WHAT IS EXCITING ABOUT MY PRACTICE. I HAVE A VERY ECCLECTIC EXCITING ABOUT MY PRACTICE. I HAVE A VERY ECCLECTIC PRACTICE. I HAVE A VERY ECCLECTIC PRACTICE. I REPRESENT FAMILIES IN EVERY PRACTICE. I REPRESENT FAMILIES IN EVERY PENDING AVIATION ISSUE. I REPRESENT FAMILIES IN EVERY PENDING AVIATION ISSUE. I AM THE LIASON COUNSEL FOR PENDING AVIATION ISSUE. I AM THE LIASON COUNSEL FOR VICTIMS IN MAT MANHATTAN. I AM THE LIASON COUNSEL FOR VICTIMS IN MAT MANHATTAN. I TEACH LAW SCHOOL OF. VICTIMS IN MAT MANHATTAN. I TEACH LAW SCHOOL OF. I WRITE A COLUMN, AND I AM I TEACH LAW SCHOOL OF. I WRITE A COLUMN, AND I AM EXCITED ABOUT MY PROFESSION AND I WRITE A COLUMN, AND I AM EXCITED ABOUT MY PROFESSION AND EXCITED ABOUT MY WORK. EXCITED ABOUT MY PROFESSION AND EXCITED ABOUT MY WORK. YOU HAD APPEARANCES ON OPRAH, EXCITED ABOUT MY WORK. YOU HAD APPEARANCES ON OPRAH, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, CM -- CNN YOU HAD APPEARANCES ON OPRAH, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, CM -- CNN NEWS, WALL STREET WEEK. GOOD MORNING AMERICA, CM -- CNN NEWS, WALL STREET WEEK. IMPORTANT CASES? NEWS, WALL STREET WEEK. IMPORTANT CASES? >> IMPORTANT TO THE LITIGANTS. IMPORTANT CASES? >> IMPORTANT TO THE LITIGANTS. >>NOT ABOUT ME. >> IMPORTANT TO THE LITIGANTS. >>NOT ABOUT ME. THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT I >>NOT ABOUT ME. THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO REPRESENT. HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO REPRESENT. >>NANCY CLAY. REPRESENT. >>NANCY CLAY. >> VERY IMPORTANT CASE. >>NANCY CLAY. >> VERY IMPORTANT CASE. >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >> VERY IMPORTANT CASE. >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>NANCY CLAY TRAGICALLY DIED IN >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>NANCY CLAY TRAGICALLY DIED IN A HIGH RISE FIRE IN CHICAGO. >>NANCY CLAY TRAGICALLY DIED IN A HIGH RISE FIRE IN CHICAGO. THE STORY THERE WAS SHE CALLED A HIGH RISE FIRE IN CHICAGO. THE STORY THERE WAS SHE CALLED 9-1-1 SEVERAL TIMES, AND WHEN THE STORY THERE WAS SHE CALLED 9-1-1 SEVERAL TIMES, AND WHEN THEY ASKED HER WHERE SHE WAS, 9-1-1 SEVERAL TIMES, AND WHEN THEY ASKED HER WHERE SHE WAS, SHE WAS IN THE HIGH RISE THEY ASKED HER WHERE SHE WAS, SHE WAS IN THE HIGH RISE BUILDING AND SHE SAID I AM AT SHE WAS IN THE HIGH RISE BUILDING AND SHE SAID I AM AT ONE ILLINOIS CENTER OF THEY SAID BUILDING AND SHE SAID I AM AT ONE ILLINOIS CENTER OF THEY SAID WHERE IS THAT AT? ONE ILLINOIS CENTER OF THEY SAID WHERE IS THAT AT? I DON'T KNOW. WHERE IS THAT AT? I DON'T KNOW. ONE ILLINOIS CENTER! SURE I DON'T KNOW. ONE ILLINOIS CENTER! SURE ENOUGH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ONE ILLINOIS CENTER! SURE ENOUGH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FINALLY FIGURES OUT WHERE ONE ENOUGH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FINALLY FIGURES OUT WHERE ONE ILLINOIS CENTER IS AT. FINALLY FIGURES OUT WHERE ONE ILLINOIS CENTER IS AT. THEY GO THERE, AND THEY AREN'T ILLINOIS CENTER IS AT. THEY GO THERE, AND THEY AREN'T ABLE TO SAVE HER. THEY GO THERE, AND THEY AREN'T ABLE TO SAVE HER. THE FAMILY FILES A LAWSUIT, AND ABLE TO SAVE HER. THE FAMILY FILES A LAWSUIT, AND AS PART OF THIS RESOLUTION OF THE FAMILY FILES A LAWSUIT, AND AS PART OF THIS RESOLUTION OF THE LAWSUIT, WE MADE THE CITY OF AS PART OF THIS RESOLUTION OF THE LAWSUIT, WE MADE THE CITY OF CHICAGO PASS AN ORDINANCE THE LAWSUIT, WE MADE THE CITY OF CHICAGO PASS AN ORDINANCE BANNING AND-OR REQUIRING THE CHICAGO PASS AN ORDINANCE BANNING AND-OR REQUIRING THE REGISTRATION OF ALL THE VANITY BANNING AND-OR REQUIRING THE REGISTRATION OF ALL THE VANITY ADDRESSES. SO IN THE CITY OF REGISTRATION OF ALL THE VANITY ADDRESSES. SO IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CALL ADDRESSES. SO IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CALL UP AND SAY I AM IN THE AON CHICAGO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CALL UP AND SAY I AM IN THE AON BUILDING WHERE THE 9-1-1 UP AND SAY I AM IN THE AON BUILDING WHERE THE 9-1-1 OPERATOR IS TAKING THAT, THE BUILDING WHERE THE 9-1-1 OPERATOR IS TAKING THAT, THE ADDRESS POPS UP ON THE SCREEN. OPERATOR IS TAKING THAT, THE ADDRESS POPS UP ON THE SCREEN. >>OCTOBER, 2003, FIRE IN COOK ADDRESS POPS UP ON THE SCREEN. >>OCTOBER, 2003, FIRE IN COOK COUNTY HIGH RISE. >>OCTOBER, 2003, FIRE IN COOK COUNTY HIGH RISE. I DO. COUNTY HIGH RISE. I DO. >>SIX TRAPPED IN A STAIRWELL. I DO. >>SIX TRAPPED IN A STAIRWELL. >>TERRIBLE. >>SIX TRAPPED IN A STAIRWELL. >>TERRIBLE. THE CASE IS SCHEDULED FOR TRIAL >>TERRIBLE. THE CASE IS SCHEDULED FOR TRIAL MARCH 18, 2008. THE CASE IS SCHEDULED FOR TRIAL MARCH 18, 2008. >>AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, MARCH 18, 2008. >>AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, CERTAIN CHANGES IN THE FIRE >>AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, CERTAIN CHANGES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FITNESS TEST. CERTAIN CHANGES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FITNESS TEST. >>ALL OF THAT. DEPARTMENT FITNESS TEST. >>ALL OF THAT. >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>ALL OF THAT. >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>WE HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE OUT OF >>TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>WE HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE OUT OF SHAPE. >>WE HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE OUT OF SHAPE. YOU HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE SHAPE. YOU HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE FIGHTING HIGH RISE FIRE IN WAY YOU HAD FIREMEN WHO WERE FIGHTING HIGH RISE FIRE IN WAY THAT WE COULD SHOW THROUGH FIGHTING HIGH RISE FIRE IN WAY THAT WE COULD SHOW THROUGH EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS NOT THAT WE COULD SHOW THROUGH EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. TO ITS CREDIT, THE FIRE APPROPRIATE. TO ITS CREDIT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED AN INTERNAL TO ITS CREDIT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED AN INTERNAL REVIEW AND MADE A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED AN INTERNAL REVIEW AND MADE A VARIETY OF CHANGES. REVIEW AND MADE A VARIETY OF CHANGES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS A CHANGES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THE LAW THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THE LAW THAT WE DON'T SEE A CHANGE IN EITHER PRODUCT LOT IN THE LAW THAT WE DON'T SEE A CHANGE IN EITHER PRODUCT DESIGN OR IN HOW PEOPLE MANAGE A CHANGE IN EITHER PRODUCT DESIGN OR IN HOW PEOPLE MANAGE THEIR AFFAIRS OF SAFETY UNTIL DESIGN OR IN HOW PEOPLE MANAGE THEIR AFFAIRS OF SAFETY UNTIL SOME TRAGEDY OCCURS. THEIR AFFAIRS OF SAFETY UNTIL SOME TRAGEDY OCCURS. MUCH OF THE SAFETY THAT WE, THE SOME TRAGEDY OCCURS. MUCH OF THE SAFETY THAT WE, THE COMMUNITY, ENJOY TODAY IS BORN MUCH OF THE SAFETY THAT WE, THE COMMUNITY, ENJOY TODAY IS BORN OUT OF SOME TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCE COMMUNITY, ENJOY TODAY IS BORN OUT OF SOME TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCE OF SOME INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY. OUT OF SOME TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCE OF SOME INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY. SOMEONE MUST DIE IN ORDER FOR OF SOME INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY. SOMEONE MUST DIE IN ORDER FOR OTHERS TO LIVE? SOMEONE MUST DIE IN ORDER FOR OTHERS TO LIVE? >> SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY, BUT OTHERS TO LIVE? >> SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. >> SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. >>RACHEL BARTON. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. >>RACHEL BARTON. >>MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. >>RACHEL BARTON. >>MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>RACHEL BARTON WAS A CHILD PROD TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >>RACHEL BARTON WAS A CHILD PROD GI, VIOLINIST. >>RACHEL BARTON WAS A CHILD PROD GI, VIOLINIST. SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO TEACH A GI, VIOLINIST. SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO TEACH A CLASS. SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO TEACH A CLASS. SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN AT THE CLASS. SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN AT THE TIME, JUST I BELIEVE 19 YEARS SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN AT THE TIME, JUST I BELIEVE 19 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME, AND HER VIOLIN, TIME, JUST I BELIEVE 19 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME, AND HER VIOLIN, STRATIVA RUVMENT S ON LOAN TO OLD AT THE TIME, AND HER VIOLIN, STRATIVA RUVMENT S ON LOAN TO HER GOT CAUGHT IN A COMMUTER STRATIVA RUVMENT S ON LOAN TO HER GOT CAUGHT IN A COMMUTER RAILROAD DOOR. HER GOT CAUGHT IN A COMMUTER RAILROAD DOOR. THE DOORS CLOSED ON HER, THE RAILROAD DOOR. THE DOORS CLOSED ON HER, THE TRAIN TOOK OFF AND TOOK OFF ONE THE DOORS CLOSED ON HER, THE TRAIN TOOK OFF AND TOOK OFF ONE LEG AND PARTIALLY INJURED TRAIN TOOK OFF AND TOOK OFF ONE LEG AND PARTIALLY INJURED ANOTHER, AND EVERYBODY IN THE LEG AND PARTIALLY INJURED ANOTHER, AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO HAD AN OPINION ANOTHER, AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO HAD AN OPINION ABOUT THAT CASE. CITY OF CHICAGO HAD AN OPINION ABOUT THAT CASE. METRA CAME OUT WITH A PUBLIC ABOUT THAT CASE. METRA CAME OUT WITH A PUBLIC RELATIONS CAMPAIGN TO REALLY TRY METRA CAME OUT WITH A PUBLIC RELATIONS CAMPAIGN TO REALLY TRY TO SHOW IT WAS HER FAULT EARLY RELATIONS CAMPAIGN TO REALLY TRY TO SHOW IT WAS HER FAULT EARLY ON, SHE WAS PUMMELED IN THE TO SHOW IT WAS HER FAULT EARLY ON, SHE WAS PUMMELED IN THE PAPERS, AND YET, WHEN WE TRIED ON, SHE WAS PUMMELED IN THE PAPERS, AND YET, WHEN WE TRIED THE CASE, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW PAPERS, AND YET, WHEN WE TRIED THE CASE, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THE JURY HOW THIS WAS AN EVENT THE CASE, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THE JURY HOW THIS WAS AN EVENT THAT WAS INEVITABLE BECAUSE THEY THE JURY HOW THIS WAS AN EVENT THAT WAS INEVITABLE BECAUSE THEY HAD OVER 90 IN JUST THE FIVE THAT WAS INEVITABLE BECAUSE THEY HAD OVER 90 IN JUST THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING HER ACCIDENT, 90 HAD OVER 90 IN JUST THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING HER ACCIDENT, 90 NEAR-MISSES FOR THE SAME THINGS YEARS PRECEDING HER ACCIDENT, 90 NEAR-MISSES FOR THE SAME THINGS BASICALLY HAPPENED TO OTHER NEAR-MISSES FOR THE SAME THINGS BASICALLY HAPPENED TO OTHER CITIZENS, BUT THE INJURIES WERE BASICALLY HAPPENED TO OTHER CITIZENS, BUT THE INJURIES WERE MINOR OR THERE WERE NO INJURIES CITIZENS, BUT THE INJURIES WERE MINOR OR THERE WERE NO INJURIES AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DODGED A MINOR OR THERE WERE NO INJURIES AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DODGED A BULLET. AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DODGED A BULLET. THEY DIDN'T DODGE A BULLET ON BULLET. THEY DIDN'T DODGE A BULLET ON THIS ONE. THEY DIDN'T DODGE A BULLET ON THIS ONE. A JURY CAME -- ONLY PART, I HAD THIS ONE. A JURY CAME -- ONLY PART, I HAD EXPERT WITNESS BY THE NAME OF A JURY CAME -- ONLY PART, I HAD EXPERT WITNESS BY THE NAME OF ITASCH PEARLMAN AS AN EXPERT. EXPERT WITNESS BY THE NAME OF ITASCH PEARLMAN AS AN EXPERT. THE JURY ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT ITASCH PEARLMAN AS AN EXPERT. THE JURY ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT CASE AFTER ABOUT A SIX WEEK THE JURY ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT CASE AFTER ABOUT A SIX WEEK TRIAL AND RETURNED A VERDICT FOR CASE AFTER ABOUT A SIX WEEK TRIAL AND RETURNED A VERDICT FOR HER ALMOST $30 MILLION THAT WAS TRIAL AND RETURNED A VERDICT FOR HER ALMOST $30 MILLION THAT WAS ULTIMATELY A FIRMED BY THE HER ALMOST $30 MILLION THAT WAS ULTIMATELY A FIRMED BY THE ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT. ULTIMATELY A FIRMED BY THE ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT. >>AVIATION CASES, BOL COLLINS, ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT. >>AVIATION CASES, BOL COLLINS, *** EVER EVERSOL'S SON, JOSHUA >>AVIATION CASES, BOL COLLINS, *** EVER EVERSOL'S SON, JOSHUA WOODS, ALL THE INTERESTING *** EVER EVERSOL'S SON, JOSHUA WOODS, ALL THE INTERESTING SIGNIFICANT. WOODS, ALL THE INTERESTING SIGNIFICANT. >>AS I MENTIONED AT THE SIGNIFICANT. >>AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, I >>AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, I REPRESENT FAMILIES EVERY PENDING BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, I REPRESENT FAMILIES EVERY PENDING AVIATION CASE IN THE COUNTRY. REPRESENT FAMILIES EVERY PENDING AVIATION CASE IN THE COUNTRY. THE PHENOMENON ABOUT WHERE AVIATION CASE IN THE COUNTRY. THE PHENOMENON ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE GO TO HIRE LAWYERS IS THE PHENOMENON ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE GO TO HIRE LAWYERS IS USUALLY IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. PEOPLE GO TO HIRE LAWYERS IS USUALLY IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT MANY OF THE USUALLY IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT MANY OF THE CRASHES OF THE 70'S, AND 80'S IF YOU LOOK AT MANY OF THE CRASHES OF THE 70'S, AND 80'S AND 90'S, THOSE PLANES WERE CRASHES OF THE 70'S, AND 80'S AND 90'S, THOSE PLANES WERE EITHER INBOUND TO CHICAGO OR AND 90'S, THOSE PLANES WERE EITHER INBOUND TO CHICAGO OR OUTBOUND FROM CHICAGO. EITHER INBOUND TO CHICAGO OR OUTBOUND FROM CHICAGO. AND WITH A CONSEQUENCE, A LOT OF OUTBOUND FROM CHICAGO. AND WITH A CONSEQUENCE, A LOT OF CHICAGOANS ON THE PLANE. SO I AND WITH A CONSEQUENCE, A LOT OF CHICAGOANS ON THE PLANE. SO I STARTED TO GET HIRED ON THOSE CHICAGOANS ON THE PLANE. SO I STARTED TO GET HIRED ON THOSE CASE. STARTED TO GET HIRED ON THOSE CASE. I TOOK A BIG INTEREST IN IT. CASE. I TOOK A BIG INTEREST IN IT. I ONCE FLEW TO AUSTRALIA. I TOOK A BIG INTEREST IN IT. I ONCE FLEW TO AUSTRALIA. I WAS IN AUSTRALIA FOR 22 HOURS I ONCE FLEW TO AUSTRALIA. I WAS IN AUSTRALIA FOR 22 HOURS TO FIND AN EXPERT WITNESS THAT I WAS IN AUSTRALIA FOR 22 HOURS TO FIND AN EXPERT WITNESS THAT SOMEBODY WAS HIDING ON ME WITH A TO FIND AN EXPERT WITNESS THAT SOMEBODY WAS HIDING ON ME WITH A BOX OF DOCUMENTS, THE SMOKING SOMEBODY WAS HIDING ON ME WITH A BOX OF DOCUMENTS, THE SMOKING GUNS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WON ONE BOX OF DOCUMENTS, THE SMOKING GUNS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WON ONE OF THESE CASES. GUNS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WON ONE OF THESE CASES. SO THE AVIATION DISASTERS ARE A OF THESE CASES. SO THE AVIATION DISASTERS ARE A TERRIBLE THING. SO THE AVIATION DISASTERS ARE A TERRIBLE THING. YOU DEVELOP A NATIONAL TERRIBLE THING. YOU DEVELOP A NATIONAL REPUTATION IN THAT SO THAT I YOU DEVELOP A NATIONAL REPUTATION IN THAT SO THAT I CURRENTLY REPRESENT TEN PERCENT REPUTATION IN THAT SO THAT I CURRENTLY REPRESENT TEN PERCENT OF THE AIRPLANE, COM AIR CRASH CURRENTLY REPRESENT TEN PERCENT OF THE AIRPLANE, COM AIR CRASH IN KENTUCKY WHERE THE PILOTS -- OF THE AIRPLANE, COM AIR CRASH IN KENTUCKY WHERE THE PILOTS -- AND THAT IS THE THING, PILOT GOT IN KENTUCKY WHERE THE PILOTS -- AND THAT IS THE THING, PILOT GOT INTO THE WRONG AIRPLANE AT THE AND THAT IS THE THING, PILOT GOT INTO THE WRONG AIRPLANE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY. INTO THE WRONG AIRPLANE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY. WRONG AIRPLANE. BEGINNING OF THE DAY. WRONG AIRPLANE. >>WRONG AIRPLANE. WRONG AIRPLANE. >>WRONG AIRPLANE. >>HOW COULD YOU MISS THE >>WRONG AIRPLANE. >>HOW COULD YOU MISS THE AIRPLANE? >>HOW COULD YOU MISS THE AIRPLANE? >> I DON'T KNOW. AIRPLANE? >> I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW -- >> I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW -- THAT'S WHY LAWSUITS HAPPEN. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW -- THAT'S WHY LAWSUITS HAPPEN. THERE IS A LOT OF CRITICISM OF THAT'S WHY LAWSUITS HAPPEN. THERE IS A LOT OF CRITICISM OF LAWSUITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO THERE IS A LOT OF CRITICISM OF LAWSUITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU CRITICIZE SOMEBODY FOR LAWSUITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU CRITICIZE SOMEBODY FOR FILING A LAWSUIT WHERE THE YOU CRITICIZE SOMEBODY FOR FILING A LAWSUIT WHERE THE PILOTS INITIALLY GET IN THE FILING A LAWSUIT WHERE THE PILOTS INITIALLY GET IN THE WRONG PLANE AND GET ON THE WRONG PILOTS INITIALLY GET IN THE WRONG PLANE AND GET ON THE WRONG RUNWAY AND PLANE CRASHES. WRONG PLANE AND GET ON THE WRONG RUNWAY AND PLANE CRASHES. THAT'S THE KIND OF CASE THAT I RUNWAY AND PLANE CRASHES. THAT'S THE KIND OF CASE THAT I GET INVOLVED IN, AND THEN PROUD THAT'S THE KIND OF CASE THAT I GET INVOLVED IN, AND THEN PROUD TO REPRESENT PEOPLE WHEN I DO GET INVOLVED IN, AND THEN PROUD TO REPRESENT PEOPLE WHEN I DO IT. TO REPRESENT PEOPLE WHEN I DO IT. >>ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS FTA IT. >>ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS FTA CASE, MR. ANDREWS, '74, CANADIAN >>ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS FTA CASE, MR. ANDREWS, '74, CANADIAN DRUGS. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN CASE, MR. ANDREWS, '74, CANADIAN DRUGS. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN AIRPLANE. DRUGS. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN AIRPLANE. I ENDOWED A CHAIR DEPAUL AIRPLANE. I ENDOWED A CHAIR DEPAUL UNIVERSITY IN SOCIAL POLICY. I ENDOWED A CHAIR DEPAUL UNIVERSITY IN SOCIAL POLICY. AS MUCH AS WE TALK ABOUT UNIVERSITY IN SOCIAL POLICY. AS MUCH AS WE TALK ABOUT FRIVILOUS LAWSUITS AND CHASING AS MUCH AS WE TALK ABOUT FRIVILOUS LAWSUITS AND CHASING DOCTORS OUT OF THE STATE OF FRIVILOUS LAWSUITS AND CHASING DOCTORS OUT OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE FACT OF THE MATTER DOCTORS OUT OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES FOR ILLINOIS, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES FOR REPRESENTING THE GOOD PEOPLE IS I DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES FOR REPRESENTING THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT I DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO REPRESENTING THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT I DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME PLACE TO GO IN OUR THAT I DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME PLACE TO GO IN OUR SYSTEM AND OUR DEMOCRACY. HAVE SOME PLACE TO GO IN OUR SYSTEM AND OUR DEMOCRACY. HERE THE ANDREWS FAMILY WHICH I SYSTEM AND OUR DEMOCRACY. HERE THE ANDREWS FAMILY WHICH I REPRESENTED ON A PRO BONO BASIS, HERE THE ANDREWS FAMILY WHICH I REPRESENTED ON A PRO BONO BASIS, THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T REPRESENTED ON A PRO BONO BASIS, THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEIR DRUGS. THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEIR DRUGS. GOVERNMENT WAS THREATENING TO AFFORD THEIR DRUGS. GOVERNMENT WAS THREATENING TO CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME GOVERNMENT WAS THREATENING TO CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME FOREGOING TO CANADA TO GET THEM. CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME FOREGOING TO CANADA TO GET THEM. >>WAIT A MINUTE, MAKE SURE I FOREGOING TO CANADA TO GET THEM. >>WAIT A MINUTE, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND T THEY CAN'T AFFORD >>WAIT A MINUTE, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND T THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE DRUGS IN THE STATES. UNDERSTAND T THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE DRUGS IN THE STATES. >>IN THE STATES. TO BUY THE DRUGS IN THE STATES. >>IN THE STATES. >>BUT THEY COULD IF THEY GOT THE >>IN THE STATES. >>BUT THEY COULD IF THEY GOT THE GENERIC OUT OF CANADA. >>BUT THEY COULD IF THEY GOT THE GENERIC OUT OF CANADA. >>SAME DRUGS? GENERIC OUT OF CANADA. >>SAME DRUGS? >> SAME DRUGS. >>SAME DRUGS? >> SAME DRUGS. SAME MANUFACTURER. >> SAME DRUGS. SAME MANUFACTURER. >>SAME MANUFACTURER? SAME MANUFACTURER. >>SAME MANUFACTURER? >> RIGHT. >>SAME MANUFACTURER? >> RIGHT. >>THE GOVERNMENT -- >> RIGHT. >>THE GOVERNMENT -- >>THE GOVERNMENT SAID THAT'S A >>THE GOVERNMENT -- >>THE GOVERNMENT SAID THAT'S A CRIME. >>THE GOVERNMENT SAID THAT'S A CRIME. WE ARE GOING TO INDICT YOU. CRIME. WE ARE GOING TO INDICT YOU. YOU MAY GO TO JAIL. WE ARE GOING TO INDICT YOU. YOU MAY GO TO JAIL. >> FORMER GOVERNOR RYAN -- YOU MAY GO TO JAIL. >> FORMER GOVERNOR RYAN -- >>YOU MAY GO TO JAIL! >> FORMER GOVERNOR RYAN -- >>YOU MAY GO TO JAIL! >>IN COMES BOB CLIFFORD. >>YOU MAY GO TO JAIL! >>IN COMES BOB CLIFFORD. >>WE TOOK THEM ON! (LAUGHING). >>IN COMES BOB CLIFFORD. >>WE TOOK THEM ON! (LAUGHING). >>WE SUED THE GOVERNMENT WHO >>WE TOOK THEM ON! (LAUGHING). >>WE SUED THE GOVERNMENT WHO CAUSED A CHANGE IN THAT POLICY, >>WE SUED THE GOVERNMENT WHO CAUSED A CHANGE IN THAT POLICY, THAT CAUSED A REVIEW BY F.D.A. CAUSED A CHANGE IN THAT POLICY, THAT CAUSED A REVIEW BY F.D.A. OF THE FAIRNESS OF THAT POLICY THAT CAUSED A REVIEW BY F.D.A. OF THE FAIRNESS OF THAT POLICY BEING AND SURE ENOUGH THAT IS OF THE FAIRNESS OF THAT POLICY BEING AND SURE ENOUGH THAT IS TAKE PLACE AS WE SPEAK. BEING AND SURE ENOUGH THAT IS TAKE PLACE AS WE SPEAK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LITIGATION, TAKE PLACE AS WE SPEAK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LITIGATION, AND THE ALTERATION OF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LITIGATION, AND THE ALTERATION OF SOCIAL -- . AND THE ALTERATION OF SOCIAL -- . >>I BELIEVE THAT'S A FAIR ROLE SOCIAL -- . >>I BELIEVE THAT'S A FAIR ROLE IN OUR DEMOCRACY FOR LITIGATION. >>I BELIEVE THAT'S A FAIR ROLE IN OUR DEMOCRACY FOR LITIGATION. LIKE I SAID A MOMENT AGO, YOUR IN OUR DEMOCRACY FOR LITIGATION. LIKE I SAID A MOMENT AGO, YOUR AUTOMOBILES ARE SAFER TODAY LIKE I SAID A MOMENT AGO, YOUR AUTOMOBILES ARE SAFER TODAY BECAUSE SOME POOR FAMILY DIED IN AUTOMOBILES ARE SAFER TODAY BECAUSE SOME POOR FAMILY DIED IN A PINTO THAT WAS REAR ENDED IN BECAUSE SOME POOR FAMILY DIED IN A PINTO THAT WAS REAR ENDED IN AND THE GASOLINE TANK BLEW UP. A PINTO THAT WAS REAR ENDED IN AND THE GASOLINE TANK BLEW UP. LOOK AT THE TIRES ON YOUR CAR, AND THE GASOLINE TANK BLEW UP. LOOK AT THE TIRES ON YOUR CAR, AND LOOK AT SO MANY LOOK AT THE TIRES ON YOUR CAR, AND LOOK AT SO MANY IMPROVEMENTS, GUARDS ON SAWS. AND LOOK AT SO MANY IMPROVEMENTS, GUARDS ON SAWS. I GREW UP, MY DAD WAS A IMPROVEMENTS, GUARDS ON SAWS. I GREW UP, MY DAD WAS A CARPENTER, AND GOT ME A JOB IN A I GREW UP, MY DAD WAS A CARPENTER, AND GOT ME A JOB IN A LUMBER YARD WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS CARPENTER, AND GOT ME A JOB IN A LUMBER YARD WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD. LUMBER YARD WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD. THERE WERE NO GUARDS ON THE SAWS OLD. THERE WERE NO GUARDS ON THE SAWS BACK THEN. THERE WERE NO GUARDS ON THE SAWS BACK THEN. I SAW A MAN GET HIS HANDS CUT BACK THEN. I SAW A MAN GET HIS HANDS CUT OFF, AND HAD THE GUARD BEEN ON I SAW A MAN GET HIS HANDS CUT OFF, AND HAD THE GUARD BEEN ON THERE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE OFF, AND HAD THE GUARD BEEN ON THERE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. THERE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. >>9-11. HAPPENED. >>9-11. YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE >>9-11. YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROMULGATIONS AND PROCEDURES, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROMULGATIONS AND PROCEDURES, EXPAND WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. PROMULGATIONS AND PROCEDURES, EXPAND WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. >>WHEN OUR NATION'S TRAGEDY EXPAND WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. >>WHEN OUR NATION'S TRAGEDY OCCURRED, I WAS THEN THE HEAD OF >>WHEN OUR NATION'S TRAGEDY OCCURRED, I WAS THEN THE HEAD OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION OCCURRED, I WAS THEN THE HEAD OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION SECTION OF LITIGATION, LARGEST THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION SECTION OF LITIGATION, LARGEST PART OF THE ABA, VOLUNTEER SECTION OF LITIGATION, LARGEST PART OF THE ABA, VOLUNTEER GROUP. PART OF THE ABA, VOLUNTEER GROUP. THE PRESIDENT OF THE ABA ASKED GROUP. THE PRESIDENT OF THE ABA ASKED ME TO HEAD UP A TASK FORCE ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE ABA ASKED ME TO HEAD UP A TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM AND THE LAW. ME TO HEAD UP A TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM AND THE LAW. I DID THAT. TERRORISM AND THE LAW. I DID THAT. TOOK NINE MONTHS OFF OF MY I DID THAT. TOOK NINE MONTHS OFF OF MY PRACTICE. TOOK NINE MONTHS OFF OF MY PRACTICE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PRACTICE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENEMY COMBATANTS OR MILITARY TRY I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENEMY COMBATANTS OR MILITARY TRY BUNALS. ENEMY COMBATANTS OR MILITARY TRY BUNALS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND BUNALS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM, BUT I DID. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM, BUT I DID. WE WERE IN WASHINGTON, AT THE THEM, BUT I DID. WE WERE IN WASHINGTON, AT THE PENTAGON FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS, WE WERE IN WASHINGTON, AT THE PENTAGON FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS, WENT TO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PENTAGON FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS, WENT TO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND WROTE THE VICTIM WENT TO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND WROTE THE VICTIM COMPENSATION REGULATIONS. AND WROTE THE VICTIM COMPENSATION REGULATIONS. BECAUSE I WROTE THOSE COMPENSATION REGULATIONS. BECAUSE I WROTE THOSE REGULATIONS, I RECUESED MYSELF BECAUSE I WROTE THOSE REGULATIONS, I RECUESED MYSELF FROM THE CASES, FAMILIES STARTED REGULATIONS, I RECUESED MYSELF FROM THE CASES, FAMILIES STARTED TO CALL ME, AND I RECUESED FROM THE CASES, FAMILIES STARTED TO CALL ME, AND I RECUESED MYSELF BECAUSE WE ALWAYS THOUGHT TO CALL ME, AND I RECUESED MYSELF BECAUSE WE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFEND THE REGS MYSELF BECAUSE WE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFEND THE REGS ON CAPITOL HILL. WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFEND THE REGS ON CAPITOL HILL. OUT OF THE BLUE, I GET A PHONE ON CAPITOL HILL. OUT OF THE BLUE, I GET A PHONE CALL FROM GENERAL ELECTRIC'S OUT OF THE BLUE, I GET A PHONE CALL FROM GENERAL ELECTRIC'S COUNCIL, THEY OWNED AN INSURANCE CALL FROM GENERAL ELECTRIC'S COUNCIL, THEY OWNED AN INSURANCE COMPANY THAT OWNED INSURANCE COUNCIL, THEY OWNED AN INSURANCE COMPANY THAT OWNED INSURANCE COMPANY THAT PAID COMPANY THAT OWNED INSURANCE COMPANY THAT PAID MR. SILVERSTEIN THEY WANT THEIR COMPANY THAT PAID MR. SILVERSTEIN THEY WANT THEIR MONEY BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY WILL MR. SILVERSTEIN THEY WANT THEIR MONEY BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY WILL DEMONSTRATE 9-11 WAS NOT ONLY MONEY BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY WILL DEMONSTRATE 9-11 WAS NOT ONLY FORESEEABLE, BUT PREVENTIBLE. DEMONSTRATE 9-11 WAS NOT ONLY FORESEEABLE, BUT PREVENTIBLE. >>YOU ARE ON BOTH SIDES. FORESEEABLE, BUT PREVENTIBLE. >>YOU ARE ON BOTH SIDES. TYPICALLY, IF IT IS SOMETHING >>YOU ARE ON BOTH SIDES. TYPICALLY, IF IT IS SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO YOU, YOU WILL TAKE TYPICALLY, IF IT IS SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO YOU, YOU WILL TAKE THE CASE. MEANINGFUL TO YOU, YOU WILL TAKE THE CASE. >>YEAH, I LIKE THAT -- THAT'S A THE CASE. >>YEAH, I LIKE THAT -- THAT'S A PLEASURE OF MY LIFE AT THIS >>YEAH, I LIKE THAT -- THAT'S A PLEASURE OF MY LIFE AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCEEDINGS. PLEASURE OF MY LIFE AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCEEDINGS. >>YOUR MOST INTERESTING CASE STAGE OF THE PROCEEDINGS. >>YOUR MOST INTERESTING CASE EVER? >>YOUR MOST INTERESTING CASE EVER? >> OHHH, WELL, CERTAINLY THIS EVER? >> OHHH, WELL, CERTAINLY THIS 9-11 CASE IS HISTORIC, AND THAT >> OHHH, WELL, CERTAINLY THIS 9-11 CASE IS HISTORIC, AND THAT IT IS FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE 9-11 CASE IS HISTORIC, AND THAT IT IS FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE THIS CASE WILL GO DOWN ALSO, I IT IS FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE THIS CASE WILL GO DOWN ALSO, I BELIEVE, AS CHANGING HOW AMERICA THIS CASE WILL GO DOWN ALSO, I BELIEVE, AS CHANGING HOW AMERICA TRAVELS. BELIEVE, AS CHANGING HOW AMERICA TRAVELS. CERTAINLY THE RACHEL BARTON CASE TRAVELS. CERTAINLY THE RACHEL BARTON CASE IS RIGHT UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY THE RACHEL BARTON CASE IS RIGHT UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A CASE WHERE A WOMAN WAS TRULY IS RIGHT UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A CASE WHERE A WOMAN WAS TRULY NEEDLESSLY MALIGNED IN THE MEDIA A CASE WHERE A WOMAN WAS TRULY NEEDLESSLY MALIGNED IN THE MEDIA BY A PR MACHINE AND I SAW THAT NEEDLESSLY MALIGNED IN THE MEDIA BY A PR MACHINE AND I SAW THAT THE SYSTEM COULD TAKE CARE OF BY A PR MACHINE AND I SAW THAT THE SYSTEM COULD TAKE CARE OF SOMEONE LIKE THAT PROPERLY IF A THE SYSTEM COULD TAKE CARE OF SOMEONE LIKE THAT PROPERLY IF A JURY WAS GIVEN THE FACT ACTUAL SOMEONE LIKE THAT PROPERLY IF A JURY WAS GIVEN THE FACT ACTUAL INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISION. JURY WAS GIVEN THE FACT ACTUAL INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISION. THOSE TWO ARE RIGHT UP THERE FOR INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISION. THOSE TWO ARE RIGHT UP THERE FOR ME. THOSE TWO ARE RIGHT UP THERE FOR ME. LET'S TALK ABOUT BOB'S ME. LET'S TALK ABOUT BOB'S COMPENSATION. LET'S TALK ABOUT BOB'S COMPENSATION. >>SURE. COMPENSATION. >>SURE. >>FIRST, COSTS, HOW ARE THEY >>SURE. >>FIRST, COSTS, HOW ARE THEY HANDLED? >>FIRST, COSTS, HOW ARE THEY HANDLED? >> WELL, COSTS ARE -- CLIFFORD HANDLED? >> WELL, COSTS ARE -- CLIFFORD LAW OFFICES, PC, PROFESSIONAL >> WELL, COSTS ARE -- CLIFFORD LAW OFFICES, PC, PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION, PAYS -- ADVANCES LAW OFFICES, PC, PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION, PAYS -- ADVANCES THE COST ON ALL OF THE CASES ON CORPORATION, PAYS -- ADVANCES THE COST ON ALL OF THE CASES ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENTS. THE COST ON ALL OF THE CASES ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENTS. >>WHY IS THAT? BEHALF OF OUR CLIENTS. >>WHY IS THAT? >> THAT'S THE MARKET. >>WHY IS THAT? >> THAT'S THE MARKET. THAT'S THE BUSINESS I AM IN. >> THAT'S THE MARKET. THAT'S THE BUSINESS I AM IN. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY IT THAT'S THE BUSINESS I AM IN. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY IT IS. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY IT IS. I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT. IS. I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT. >>KIND OF LIKE A VENTURE I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT. >>KIND OF LIKE A VENTURE CAPITALIST. >>KIND OF LIKE A VENTURE CAPITALIST. >>BECAUSE YOUR FEE IS BASED ON CAPITALIST. >>BECAUSE YOUR FEE IS BASED ON CONTINGENCY. >>BECAUSE YOUR FEE IS BASED ON CONTINGENCY. YOU ARE ADVANCING, GOING OUT OF CONTINGENCY. YOU ARE ADVANCING, GOING OUT OF POCKET. YOU ARE ADVANCING, GOING OUT OF POCKET. >>OUT OF POCKET. POCKET. >>OUT OF POCKET. >>HOW MUCH? >>OUT OF POCKET. >>HOW MUCH? >> IN A LARGE CASE, YOU CAN'T >>HOW MUCH? >> IN A LARGE CASE, YOU CAN'T TRY A MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IN >> IN A LARGE CASE, YOU CAN'T TRY A MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IN CHICAGO UNDER $125,000 OUT OF TRY A MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IN CHICAGO UNDER $125,000 OUT OF POCKET FOR DOCTORS, EXPERTS, DEP CHICAGO UNDER $125,000 OUT OF POCKET FOR DOCTORS, EXPERTS, DEP CIRCUMSTANCES, FILING COSTS, POCKET FOR DOCTORS, EXPERTS, DEP CIRCUMSTANCES, FILING COSTS, TRAVEL. CIRCUMSTANCES, FILING COSTS, TRAVEL. >>YOUR LARGEST ADVANCE, WHAT TRAVEL. >>YOUR LARGEST ADVANCE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? >>YOUR LARGEST ADVANCE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? >> ABOUT A MILLION FIVE. WOULD THAT BE? >> ABOUT A MILLION FIVE. >>WAIT A MINUTE, NOW, YOU >> ABOUT A MILLION FIVE. >>WAIT A MINUTE, NOW, YOU ADVANCED YOUR FIRM ADVANCED A >>WAIT A MINUTE, NOW, YOU ADVANCED YOUR FIRM ADVANCED A MILLION $500,000 IN COST. ADVANCED YOUR FIRM ADVANCED A MILLION $500,000 IN COST. >>ON ONE CASE. MILLION $500,000 IN COST. >>ON ONE CASE. >>ON ONE CASE. >>ON ONE CASE. >>ON ONE CASE. >>YES. >>ON ONE CASE. >>YES. >>IF YOU WOULD LOSE THAT CASE. >>YES. >>IF YOU WOULD LOSE THAT CASE. >>ADIOS. >>IF YOU WOULD LOSE THAT CASE. >>ADIOS. >>GOES AWAY. >>ADIOS. >>GOES AWAY. >>GOES AWAY. >>GOES AWAY. >>GOES AWAY. VAN NISHES. >>GOES AWAY. VAN NISHES. AS I SUGGEST, PERHAPS YOU ARE A VAN NISHES. AS I SUGGEST, PERHAPS YOU ARE A BIT OF A VENTURE CAPITALIST? AS I SUGGEST, PERHAPS YOU ARE A BIT OF A VENTURE CAPITALIST? >> IN WAY, I GET IT. BIT OF A VENTURE CAPITALIST? >> IN WAY, I GET IT. I CALL IT ENTREPRENEUR IAL. >> IN WAY, I GET IT. I CALL IT ENTREPRENEUR IAL. YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN EMPLOYED. I CALL IT ENTREPRENEUR IAL. YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN EMPLOYED. YOU ARE NOT BEING EMPLOYED BY -- YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN EMPLOYED. YOU ARE NOT BEING EMPLOYED BY -- YOU ARE NOT GENERAL COUNSEL OF A YOU ARE NOT BEING EMPLOYED BY -- YOU ARE NOT GENERAL COUNSEL OF A COMPANY. YOU ARE NOT GENERAL COUNSEL OF A COMPANY. >>NO. COMPANY. >>NO. COULD YOU EVER DO THAT, COULD >>NO. COULD YOU EVER DO THAT, COULD YOU EVER BE ON A PAYROLL OF A COULD YOU EVER DO THAT, COULD YOU EVER BE ON A PAYROLL OF A COMPANY? YOU EVER BE ON A PAYROLL OF A COMPANY? >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. COMPANY? >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. >>WHY NOT. >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. >>WHY NOT. >>I LOVE WHAT I DO, AND I LIKE >>WHY NOT. >>I LOVE WHAT I DO, AND I LIKE THE FREEDOM OF BEING MY OWN >>I LOVE WHAT I DO, AND I LIKE THE FREEDOM OF BEING MY OWN BOSS. THE FREEDOM OF BEING MY OWN BOSS. >>WTTW, IN CHICAGO. BOSS. >>WTTW, IN CHICAGO. >>PUBLIC TELEVISION. >>WTTW, IN CHICAGO. >>PUBLIC TELEVISION. >>YOU MADE A DONATION TO PROVIDE >>PUBLIC TELEVISION. >>YOU MADE A DONATION TO PROVIDE FOR THE HEARING -- THE >>YOU MADE A DONATION TO PROVIDE FOR THE HEARING -- THE CAPTIONING OF THE PROGRAM. FOR THE HEARING -- THE CAPTIONING OF THE PROGRAM. >>CLOSED CAPTIONING I DON'T YOU CAPTIONING OF THE PROGRAM. >>CLOSED CAPTIONING I DON'T YOU THINK A GUY IN THE BUSINESS, >>CLOSED CAPTIONING I DON'T YOU THINK A GUY IN THE BUSINESS, OUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF DISABLED THINK A GUY IN THE BUSINESS, OUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF DISABLED PERSON IF HE CAN. OUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF DISABLED PERSON IF HE CAN. >>I AM NOT SURE EVERY PERSONAL PERSON IF HE CAN. >>I AM NOT SURE EVERY PERSONAL INJURY LAWYER VIEWS THAT AS A >>I AM NOT SURE EVERY PERSONAL INJURY LAWYER VIEWS THAT AS A RESPONSIBILITY. INJURY LAWYER VIEWS THAT AS A RESPONSIBILITY. >>I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND CORNY. RESPONSIBILITY. >>I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND CORNY. I WAS RISED WITH THE BELIEF, THE >>I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND CORNY. I WAS RISED WITH THE BELIEF, THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU I WAS RISED WITH THE BELIEF, THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU GROW. MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU GROW. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. GROW. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. >> DEPAUL, COLLEGE OF LAW. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. >> DEPAUL, COLLEGE OF LAW. >>YES. >> DEPAUL, COLLEGE OF LAW. >>YES. YOU FUNNED THE CHAIR. >>YES. YOU FUNNED THE CHAIR. >>I DID. CHAIR ON TORT LAW AND YOU FUNNED THE CHAIR. >>I DID. CHAIR ON TORT LAW AND SOCIAL POLICY. >>I DID. CHAIR ON TORT LAW AND SOCIAL POLICY. THAT'S IMPORTANT. SOCIAL POLICY. THAT'S IMPORTANT. >>THAT'S CRITICAL TO ME. THAT'S IMPORTANT. >>THAT'S CRITICAL TO ME. >>THINK ABOUT COMPENSATION, I >>THAT'S CRITICAL TO ME. >>THINK ABOUT COMPENSATION, I THINK OF COMPENSATION IN THE >>THINK ABOUT COMPENSATION, I THINK OF COMPENSATION IN THE CONTEXT OF CORPORATE THINK OF COMPENSATION IN THE CONTEXT OF CORPORATE COMPENSATION. CONTEXT OF CORPORATE COMPENSATION. HOW IT COMPARES WITH WHATEVER COMPENSATION. HOW IT COMPARES WITH WHATEVER YOUR COMPENSATION IS. HOW IT COMPARES WITH WHATEVER YOUR COMPENSATION IS. >>THEY MAKE UP LIKE FOOTNOTES. YOUR COMPENSATION IS. >>THEY MAKE UP LIKE FOOTNOTES. >>MERRIL LYNCH, O'NEIL. >>THEY MAKE UP LIKE FOOTNOTES. >>MERRIL LYNCH, O'NEIL. >>SURE. >>MERRIL LYNCH, O'NEIL. >>SURE. HOW MANY MILLION. >>SURE. HOW MANY MILLION. >>GUESS. HOW MANY MILLION. >>GUESS. >>28? >>GUESS. >>28? >> $161 MILLION! (LAUGHING) IN A >>28? >> $161 MILLION! (LAUGHING) IN A SEVERANCE PAYMENT IN 2005. >> $161 MILLION! (LAUGHING) IN A SEVERANCE PAYMENT IN 2005. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MADE? SEVERANCE PAYMENT IN 2005. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MADE? 38 MILLION. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MADE? 38 MILLION. AND THE GOOD PART OF THAT WAS 38 MILLION. AND THE GOOD PART OF THAT WAS DEFERRED, GOOD PART OF IT WAS AND THE GOOD PART OF THAT WAS DEFERRED, GOOD PART OF IT WAS PROBABLY CAPITAL GAINS. DEFERRED, GOOD PART OF IT WAS PROBABLY CAPITAL GAINS. >>HOW ABOUT THAT? PROBABLY CAPITAL GAINS. >>HOW ABOUT THAT? >> 15% VERSUS 50. >>HOW ABOUT THAT? >> 15% VERSUS 50. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> 15% VERSUS 50. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> THE I LIKE THE IDEA THE HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> THE I LIKE THE IDEA THE CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ARE LOWER >> THE I LIKE THE IDEA THE CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ARE LOWER AND THEY OUGHT TO BE BECAUSE WE CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ARE LOWER AND THEY OUGHT TO BE BECAUSE WE ARE FOSTERING INVESTMENT. AND THEY OUGHT TO BE BECAUSE WE ARE FOSTERING INVESTMENT. >>YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY OF ARE FOSTERING INVESTMENT. >>YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY OF THAT TREATMENT. >>YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY OF THAT TREATMENT. YOU ARE NO ORDINARY INCOME? THAT TREATMENT. YOU ARE NO ORDINARY INCOME? >> THAT'S TRUE. YOU ARE NO ORDINARY INCOME? >> THAT'S TRUE. I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THAT. >> THAT'S TRUE. I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THAT. BUT I HAVE LONG BELIEVED I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THAT. BUT I HAVE LONG BELIEVED CORPORATE AMERICA GETS BUT I HAVE LONG BELIEVED CORPORATE AMERICA GETS ADVANTAGES, WHETHER ME AS CORPORATE AMERICA GETS ADVANTAGES, WHETHER ME AS SUCCESSFUL, OVERPAID TRIAL ADVANTAGES, WHETHER ME AS SUCCESSFUL, OVERPAID TRIAL LAWYER OR SOME FELLOW, THE GUY SUCCESSFUL, OVERPAID TRIAL LAWYER OR SOME FELLOW, THE GUY RUNNING THE TV CAMERA, ARE ALL LAWYER OR SOME FELLOW, THE GUY RUNNING THE TV CAMERA, ARE ALL MAKING OUR WAY IN THE WORLD AND RUNNING THE TV CAMERA, ARE ALL MAKING OUR WAY IN THE WORLD AND WE GET TREATED UNFAIRLILY AND MAKING OUR WAY IN THE WORLD AND WE GET TREATED UNFAIRLILY AND DITCHLY THAN CORPORATE AMERICA WE GET TREATED UNFAIRLILY AND DITCHLY THAN CORPORATE AMERICA DOES. DITCHLY THAN CORPORATE AMERICA DOES. >>IN THE CASE OF O'NEIL, MERRIL DOES. >>IN THE CASE OF O'NEIL, MERRIL LYNCH WRITE DOWN WAS 8.4 BILLION >>IN THE CASE OF O'NEIL, MERRIL LYNCH WRITE DOWN WAS 8.4 BILLION WITH A "B". LYNCH WRITE DOWN WAS 8.4 BILLION WITH A "B". >>PRETTY SOON TALKING REAL WITH A "B". >>PRETTY SOON TALKING REAL MONEY. >>PRETTY SOON TALKING REAL MONEY. >>A COUPLE TRILLION DOLLARS AT MONEY. >>A COUPLE TRILLION DOLLARS AT ISSUE. BUT THE POINT IS, HE HAD >>A COUPLE TRILLION DOLLARS AT ISSUE. BUT THE POINT IS, HE HAD NO CAPITAL INVESTED. ISSUE. BUT THE POINT IS, HE HAD NO CAPITAL INVESTED. >>CORRECT. NO CAPITAL INVESTED. >>CORRECT. >>YOU HAVE A MILLION FIVE >>CORRECT. >>YOU HAVE A MILLION FIVE ADVANCED IN COST. >>YOU HAVE A MILLION FIVE ADVANCED IN COST. >>IN ONE CASE. ADVANCED IN COST. >>IN ONE CASE. >>YOU MAY GET ORDINARY INCOME >>IN ONE CASE. >>YOU MAY GET ORDINARY INCOME TREATMENT IF YOU WIN. >>YOU MAY GET ORDINARY INCOME TREATMENT IF YOU WIN. HE GETS SEVERANCE PAYMENT OF TREATMENT IF YOU WIN. HE GETS SEVERANCE PAYMENT OF 38 MILLION, EVEN IF HE LOSES. HE GETS SEVERANCE PAYMENT OF 38 MILLION, EVEN IF HE LOSES. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT! 38 MILLION, EVEN IF HE LOSES. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT! >>I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT! >>I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO ALL OF US IN AGAIN. >>I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO ALL OF US IN AGAIN. HOW ABOUT THIS, AL GORE, I AM ALL OF US IN AGAIN. HOW ABOUT THIS, AL GORE, I AM TOLD IN THE LAST TWO TRADES WITH HOW ABOUT THIS, AL GORE, I AM TOLD IN THE LAST TWO TRADES WITH APPLE AND GOOGLE MADE OVER A TOLD IN THE LAST TWO TRADES WITH APPLE AND GOOGLE MADE OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. APPLE AND GOOGLE MADE OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. >>I KNEW ABOUT THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. >>I KNEW ABOUT THAT. HE SHARED THE NOBEL PRIZE. >>I KNEW ABOUT THAT. HE SHARED THE NOBEL PRIZE. >>YEAH. HE SHARED THE NOBEL PRIZE. >>YEAH. >>FOR GREENING OF AMERICA. >>YEAH. >>FOR GREENING OF AMERICA. >>YEAH. >>FOR GREENING OF AMERICA. >>YEAH. >>SO THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY. >>YEAH. >>SO THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY. >>HOW ABOUT ELVIS PRESIDENCY'S >>SO THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY. >>HOW ABOUT ELVIS PRESIDENCY'S ESTATE MADE $48 MILLION. >>HOW ABOUT ELVIS PRESIDENCY'S ESTATE MADE $48 MILLION. >>MICHAEL INJURED. ESTATE MADE $48 MILLION. >>MICHAEL INJURED. HOW ABOUT THAT. >>MICHAEL INJURED. HOW ABOUT THAT. >>BUT WE ALL CONTRIBUTE -- YOU HOW ABOUT THAT. >>BUT WE ALL CONTRIBUTE -- YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T SUFFER FROM >>BUT WE ALL CONTRIBUTE -- YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T SUFFER FROM GREEN GRASS DISEASE, YOU KNOW! KNOW WHAT, I DON'T SUFFER FROM GREEN GRASS DISEASE, YOU KNOW! (LAUGHING) I TRY TO TAKE A LOOK GREEN GRASS DISEASE, YOU KNOW! (LAUGHING) I TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY OWN. (LAUGHING) I TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY OWN. >>WHAT IS GREEN GRASS DISEASE? AT MY OWN. >>WHAT IS GREEN GRASS DISEASE? >> ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE >>WHAT IS GREEN GRASS DISEASE? >> ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS GOING. >> ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS GOING. >>I ONLY WORRY ABOUT ME, MY OTHER GUY IS GOING. >>I ONLY WORRY ABOUT ME, MY FAMILY AND MY CLIENTS. >>I ONLY WORRY ABOUT ME, MY FAMILY AND MY CLIENTS. >>LET'S GO TO THE TRIAL CASES. FAMILY AND MY CLIENTS. >>LET'S GO TO THE TRIAL CASES. HOW DO YOU SORT OUT CASES, HOW >>LET'S GO TO THE TRIAL CASES. HOW DO YOU SORT OUT CASES, HOW TO TAKE WHICH CASE? HOW DO YOU SORT OUT CASES, HOW TO TAKE WHICH CASE? YOU DON'T ADVERTISE? TO TAKE WHICH CASE? YOU DON'T ADVERTISE? >> DON'T ADVERTISE. YOU DON'T ADVERTISE? >> DON'T ADVERTISE. >>YOU NEVER HAVE? >> DON'T ADVERTISE. >>YOU NEVER HAVE? >> NO. >>YOU NEVER HAVE? >> NO. >>HOW DO THEY COME TO YOU SF. >> NO. >>HOW DO THEY COME TO YOU SF. >>THEY COME TO ME BY REPUTATION. >>HOW DO THEY COME TO YOU SF. >>THEY COME TO ME BY REPUTATION. IT IS WORD OF MOUTH, FORMER >>THEY COME TO ME BY REPUTATION. IT IS WORD OF MOUTH, FORMER CLIENTS. IT IS WORD OF MOUTH, FORMER CLIENTS. IT IS GOOD LAWYERS LIKE YOU WHO CLIENTS. IT IS GOOD LAWYERS LIKE YOU WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE IT IS GOOD LAWYERS LIKE YOU WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION. KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION. IT IS A LOT OF REFERRAL LEGAL PROFESSION. IT IS A LOT OF REFERRAL BUSINESS. THAT'S THE MAJORITY IT IS A LOT OF REFERRAL BUSINESS. THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF MY BUSINESS COMES TO ME BY BUSINESS. THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF MY BUSINESS COMES TO ME BY REFERRAL FROM EITHER OTHER OF MY BUSINESS COMES TO ME BY REFERRAL FROM EITHER OTHER LAWYERS, FORMER FRIENDS AND REFERRAL FROM EITHER OTHER LAWYERS, FORMER FRIENDS AND CLIENTS, FORMER CLIENTS, AND LAWYERS, FORMER FRIENDS AND CLIENTS, FORMER CLIENTS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, FROM THE CLIENTS, FORMER CLIENTS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, FROM THE ELECTRONICS. THEN, OF COURSE, FROM THE ELECTRONICS. >>YOU DON'T TAKE EVERY CASE? ELECTRONICS. >>YOU DON'T TAKE EVERY CASE? >> I DON'T. >>YOU DON'T TAKE EVERY CASE? >> I DON'T. I AM VERY SELECTIVE. >> I DON'T. I AM VERY SELECTIVE. >>ONE THING IMPRESSED ME, WE I AM VERY SELECTIVE. >>ONE THING IMPRESSED ME, WE VISITED, AND GAVE ME YOUR CARD. >>ONE THING IMPRESSED ME, WE VISITED, AND GAVE ME YOUR CARD. YOU TURNED IT OVER AND PRINTED VISITED, AND GAVE ME YOUR CARD. YOU TURNED IT OVER AND PRINTED YOUR HOME PHONE NUMBER AND SAID YOU TURNED IT OVER AND PRINTED YOUR HOME PHONE NUMBER AND SAID "ED, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOUR HOME PHONE NUMBER AND SAID "ED, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME AT HOME." "ED, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME AT HOME." DO YOU VIEW THAT AS THE ORDINARY CALL ME AT HOME." DO YOU VIEW THAT AS THE ORDINARY THINGS LAWYERS DO, PROFESSIONS DO YOU VIEW THAT AS THE ORDINARY THINGS LAWYERS DO, PROFESSIONS DO? THINGS LAWYERS DO, PROFESSIONS DO? >> MY VIEW OF OUR PROFESSION IS DO? >> MY VIEW OF OUR PROFESSION IS THAT WE NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO >> MY VIEW OF OUR PROFESSION IS THAT WE NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE. THAT WE NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE. MY -- I HAVE A LAWYER FRIEND PEOPLE. MY -- I HAVE A LAWYER FRIEND NAME JERRY CROTTY, I WAS MY -- I HAVE A LAWYER FRIEND NAME JERRY CROTTY, I WAS BEMOANING TO HIM HOW STRESSFUL NAME JERRY CROTTY, I WAS BEMOANING TO HIM HOW STRESSFUL THE DAY WAS. BEMOANING TO HIM HOW STRESSFUL THE DAY WAS. HE SAID CLIFFORD, YOU ARE IN A THE DAY WAS. HE SAID CLIFFORD, YOU ARE IN A TROUBLED BUSINESS. HE SAID CLIFFORD, YOU ARE IN A TROUBLED BUSINESS. EXPECT TROUBLE! (LAUGHING). TROUBLED BUSINESS. EXPECT TROUBLE! (LAUGHING). >>JUST TRANSFER BUSINESS? EXPECT TROUBLE! (LAUGHING). >>JUST TRANSFER BUSINESS? >> YES. >>JUST TRANSFER BUSINESS? >> YES. >>GOT YOUR PROBLEMS, BUT THAT'S >> YES. >>GOT YOUR PROBLEMS, BUT THAT'S OKAY! THAT'S WHY -- THAT'S WHY I >>GOT YOUR PROBLEMS, BUT THAT'S OKAY! THAT'S WHY -- THAT'S WHY I AM WHO I AM. OKAY! THAT'S WHY -- THAT'S WHY I AM WHO I AM. >>HOW DO YOU GET OVER THAT? AM WHO I AM. >>HOW DO YOU GET OVER THAT? YOU HAVE TO STRESS THESE CASES, >>HOW DO YOU GET OVER THAT? YOU HAVE TO STRESS THESE CASES, HOW DO YOU SLEEP, DEALING THAT YOU HAVE TO STRESS THESE CASES, HOW DO YOU SLEEP, DEALING THAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S HOW DO YOU SLEEP, DEALING THAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIFE. YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIFE. >>IN OTHER WORDS I WAS TALKING LIFE. >>IN OTHER WORDS I WAS TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL INJURED, YOU >>IN OTHER WORDS I WAS TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL INJURED, YOU MENTIONED MICHAEL INJURED JORDAN ABOUT MICHAEL INJURED, YOU MENTIONED MICHAEL INJURED JORDAN . I HAD VISIONED WHEN HE MENTIONED MICHAEL INJURED JORDAN . I HAD VISIONED WHEN HE THROWS THE BALL AT THE VERY LAST . I HAD VISIONED WHEN HE THROWS THE BALL AT THE VERY LAST SECOND. THROWS THE BALL AT THE VERY LAST SECOND. HE STARTS RUNNING FOR THE EXIT. SECOND. HE STARTS RUNNING FOR THE EXIT. HE KNEW IT WAS IN. HE STARTS RUNNING FOR THE EXIT. HE KNEW IT WAS IN. HE KNEW IT WAS THE WINNING HE KNEW IT WAS IN. HE KNEW IT WAS THE WINNING POINT. HE KNEW IT WAS THE WINNING POINT. I COULD NEVER DO THAT. POINT. I COULD NEVER DO THAT. YET, I CAN TAKE -- I DON'T GET I COULD NEVER DO THAT. YET, I CAN TAKE -- I DON'T GET FLAKED BY THE SWIRL THAT GOES YET, I CAN TAKE -- I DON'T GET FLAKED BY THE SWIRL THAT GOES AROUND ME IN A COURTROOM, AND BY FLAKED BY THE SWIRL THAT GOES AROUND ME IN A COURTROOM, AND BY ALL THE LAWYERS YAPPING AT EACH AROUND ME IN A COURTROOM, AND BY ALL THE LAWYERS YAPPING AT EACH OTHER. ALL THE LAWYERS YAPPING AT EACH OTHER. I GET CALMER UNDER THOSE OTHER. I GET CALMER UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S HOW I CAN I GET CALMER UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S HOW I CAN DO IT. CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S HOW I CAN DO IT. >>HOW DID THAT HAPPEN. DO IT. >>HOW DID THAT HAPPEN. >>GOD GAVE IT TO ME. >>HOW DID THAT HAPPEN. >>GOD GAVE IT TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GOD GAVE IT TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD GAVE MICHAEL JORDAN THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD GAVE MICHAEL JORDAN THAT TALENT OR BARRY BONDS OR TIGER GOD GAVE MICHAEL JORDAN THAT TALENT OR BARRY BONDS OR TIGER WOODS. TALENT OR BARRY BONDS OR TIGER WOODS. TIGER CAN'T TRY A JURY CASE. WOODS. TIGER CAN'T TRY A JURY CASE. I CAN. TIGER CAN'T TRY A JURY CASE. I CAN. I CAN'T HIT A GOLF BALL. I CAN. I CAN'T HIT A GOLF BALL. HE CAN! I CAN'T HIT A GOLF BALL. HE CAN! >>STRAIGHT THAT IS. HE CAN! >>STRAIGHT THAT IS. >>STRAIGHT! (LAUGHING). >>STRAIGHT THAT IS. >>STRAIGHT! (LAUGHING). >>TRIAL PREPARATION AND TRIAL. >>STRAIGHT! (LAUGHING). >>TRIAL PREPARATION AND TRIAL. THE RATIO OF THE TIME THAT YOUR >>TRIAL PREPARATION AND TRIAL. THE RATIO OF THE TIME THAT YOUR FIRM DEVOTES TO A GIVEN CASE TO THE RATIO OF THE TIME THAT YOUR FIRM DEVOTES TO A GIVEN CASE TO THE TRIAL ITSELF. FIRM DEVOTES TO A GIVEN CASE TO THE TRIAL ITSELF. YOU SAID RACHEL BARTON? THE TRIAL ITSELF. YOU SAID RACHEL BARTON? >> SIX WEEKS. YOU SAID RACHEL BARTON? >> SIX WEEKS. >>HOW MUCH TIME IN TERMS OF >> SIX WEEKS. >>HOW MUCH TIME IN TERMS OF WEEKS DO YOU FIGURE EVERY ONE ON >>HOW MUCH TIME IN TERMS OF WEEKS DO YOU FIGURE EVERY ONE ON A CASE SPENT ON THAT CASE BEFORE WEEKS DO YOU FIGURE EVERY ONE ON A CASE SPENT ON THAT CASE BEFORE THE TRIAL? A CASE SPENT ON THAT CASE BEFORE THE TRIAL? >> OH, IT WAS -- I MEAN I DON'T THE TRIAL? >> OH, IT WAS -- I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU >> OH, IT WAS -- I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU THERE, ED. HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU THERE, ED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY VIEW IS THERE, ED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY VIEW IS THAT CASES HAVE TO BE PREPARED I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY VIEW IS THAT CASES HAVE TO BE PREPARED AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO THAT CASES HAVE TO BE PREPARED AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO TRIAL EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW CASES AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO TRIAL EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW CASES SETTLE. TRIAL EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW CASES SETTLE. SO YOU TAKE A CASE LIKE RACHEL SETTLE. SO YOU TAKE A CASE LIKE RACHEL BARTON THAT WAS PROBABLY A FULL SO YOU TAKE A CASE LIKE RACHEL BARTON THAT WAS PROBABLY A FULL TIME EFFORT BY FOUR LAWYERS IN BARTON THAT WAS PROBABLY A FULL TIME EFFORT BY FOUR LAWYERS IN THE OFFICE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS, TIME EFFORT BY FOUR LAWYERS IN THE OFFICE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS, AND NOT INCLUDING LAWYER'S STAFF THE OFFICE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS, AND NOT INCLUDING LAWYER'S STAFF OF PARALEGALS. AND NOT INCLUDING LAWYER'S STAFF OF PARALEGALS. IT WAS JUST TO GO THROUGH AND DO OF PARALEGALS. IT WAS JUST TO GO THROUGH AND DO ALL OF THE DEP CIRCUMSTANCES. IT WAS JUST TO GO THROUGH AND DO ALL OF THE DEP CIRCUMSTANCES. >>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A ALL OF THE DEP CIRCUMSTANCES. >>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A DEPOSITION? >>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A DEPOSITION? >> WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S DEPOSITION? >> WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S TESTIMONY. >> WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S TESTIMONY. WHEN YOU ISSUE A SUBPOENA TO TESTIMONY. WHEN YOU ISSUE A SUBPOENA TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW WHEN YOU ISSUE A SUBPOENA TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING. SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING. WE WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SOMETHING. WE WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE RECORD AT METRA ABOUT -- WHAT WE WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE RECORD AT METRA ABOUT -- WHAT THEY CALL NEAR-MISSES, AND THEN RECORD AT METRA ABOUT -- WHAT THEY CALL NEAR-MISSES, AND THEN WE WENT AND INTERVIEWED EACH OF THEY CALL NEAR-MISSES, AND THEN WE WENT AND INTERVIEWED EACH OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN WE WENT AND INTERVIEWED EACH OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I KNEW THE PEOPLE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I KNEW RACHEL'S CASE WASN'T INEST TANT. THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I KNEW RACHEL'S CASE WASN'T INEST TANT. IT WAS THE EVENTUAL CASE. RACHEL'S CASE WASN'T INEST TANT. IT WAS THE EVENTUAL CASE. IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT WAS THE EVENTUAL CASE. IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOMEBODY. IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOMEBODY. >>GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOME POOR SOMEBODY. >>GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOME POOR CITIZEN. >>GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOME POOR CITIZEN. SOMEONE TOLD ME THEY WERE ON THE CITIZEN. SOMEONE TOLD ME THEY WERE ON THE TRAIN, AND ALL THE DOORS OPEN UP SOMEONE TOLD ME THEY WERE ON THE TRAIN, AND ALL THE DOORS OPEN UP ON THE WAY HOME. TRAIN, AND ALL THE DOORS OPEN UP ON THE WAY HOME. THE DOORS OPEN UP. ON THE WAY HOME. THE DOORS OPEN UP. THEY WANT TO PRETEND THAT STUFF THE DOORS OPEN UP. THEY WANT TO PRETEND THAT STUFF DOESN'T HAPPEN. THEY WANT TO PRETEND THAT STUFF DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT HAPPENS. DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT HAPPENS. >>IT HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS. >>IT HAPPENS. >>PROBABLY GOTTEN WRONG PLANE. >>IT HAPPENS. >>PROBABLY GOTTEN WRONG PLANE. >>PILOTS GOT IN THE WRONG PLANE. >>PROBABLY GOTTEN WRONG PLANE. >>PILOTS GOT IN THE WRONG PLANE. >>THAT'S INCREDIBLE. >>PILOTS GOT IN THE WRONG PLANE. >>THAT'S INCREDIBLE. >>I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WHEN I >>THAT'S INCREDIBLE. >>I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WHEN I FIRST HEARD IT. >>I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WHEN I FIRST HEARD IT. I WENT AND CHECKED, AND SURE FIRST HEARD IT. I WENT AND CHECKED, AND SURE ENOUGH. I WENT AND CHECKED, AND SURE ENOUGH. >> WINGS WEREN'T DE ICED. ENOUGH. >> WINGS WEREN'T DE ICED. MR. EVERSOL. >> WINGS WEREN'T DE ICED. MR. EVERSOL. PILOT WAS FROM DOMINICAN MR. EVERSOL. PILOT WAS FROM DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, AND NEVER FLEW IN THE PILOT WAS FROM DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, AND NEVER FLEW IN THE SNOW. REPUBLIC, AND NEVER FLEW IN THE SNOW. IF YOU NOW CHARTER AN AIRPLANE, SNOW. IF YOU NOW CHARTER AN AIRPLANE, THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU IF THE IF YOU NOW CHARTER AN AIRPLANE, THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU IF THE PILOT AND CREW OF THE PLANE IS THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU IF THE PILOT AND CREW OF THE PLANE IS FROM SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PILOT AND CREW OF THE PLANE IS FROM SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL CHARTER SERVICE BECAUSE FROM SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL CHARTER SERVICE BECAUSE WHAT GOES ON IN THAT BUSINESS ORIGINAL CHARTER SERVICE BECAUSE WHAT GOES ON IN THAT BUSINESS YOU HIRE A, A PAWNS IT OFF TO Z, WHAT GOES ON IN THAT BUSINESS YOU HIRE A, A PAWNS IT OFF TO Z, AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU HIRE A, A PAWNS IT OFF TO Z, AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOUR BILL IS STILL COMING FROM AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOUR BILL IS STILL COMING FROM "A". YOUR BILL IS STILL COMING FROM "A". >>BECAUSE OF MR. EVERSOL AND I "A". >>BECAUSE OF MR. EVERSOL AND I WENT TO WASHINGTON D.C. AND WENT >>BECAUSE OF MR. EVERSOL AND I WENT TO WASHINGTON D.C. AND WENT TO THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION WENT TO WASHINGTON D.C. AND WENT TO THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, HE LOBBIED FOR TO THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, HE LOBBIED FOR THAT CHANGE IN THE RULES AND SAFETY BOARD, HE LOBBIED FOR THAT CHANGE IN THE RULES AND SURE ENOUGH THE FAA ISSUED A THAT CHANGE IN THE RULES AND SURE ENOUGH THE FAA ISSUED A RULE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SURE ENOUGH THE FAA ISSUED A RULE THAT THERE HAS TO BE DISCLOSURE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME RULE THAT THERE HAS TO BE DISCLOSURE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRANSPARENCY IN DISCLOSURE IN DISCLOSURE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRANSPARENCY IN DISCLOSURE IN CHARTERING SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE A TRANSPARENCY IN DISCLOSURE IN CHARTERING SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE A KNOWING DECISION. CHARTERING SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE A KNOWING DECISION. >>BOB, WHAT HAVE I NOT ASKED YOU KNOWING DECISION. >>BOB, WHAT HAVE I NOT ASKED YOU THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU? >>BOB, WHAT HAVE I NOT ASKED YOU THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU? >> WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU? >> WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN MY LIFE. >> WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN MY LIFE. >>THE ANSWER. THING IN MY LIFE. >>THE ANSWER. >>MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN. >>THE ANSWER. >>MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN. THERE YOU GO. >>MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN. THERE YOU GO. >>IS THERE -- IF YOU COULD THERE YOU GO. >>IS THERE -- IF YOU COULD REMAKE YOURSELF INTO SOMEONE >>IS THERE -- IF YOU COULD REMAKE YOURSELF INTO SOMEONE ELSE, WHO WOULD THAT BE? REMAKE YOURSELF INTO SOMEONE ELSE, WHO WOULD THAT BE? >> OH, THAT'S A TERRIFIC ELSE, WHO WOULD THAT BE? >> OH, THAT'S A TERRIFIC QUESTION. >> OH, THAT'S A TERRIFIC QUESTION. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING QUESTION. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'D LIKE TO BE THE GUY THAT LIKE THAT. I'D LIKE TO BE THE GUY THAT SOMEDAY IS GOING TO CURE CANCER. I'D LIKE TO BE THE GUY THAT SOMEDAY IS GOING TO CURE CANCER. I THINK THAT'S THE WORST THING SOMEDAY IS GOING TO CURE CANCER. I THINK THAT'S THE WORST THING THAT PLAGUES OUR WORLD. I THINK THAT'S THE WORST THING THAT PLAGUES OUR WORLD. RIGHT UP THERE, WE CAN TALK THAT PLAGUES OUR WORLD. RIGHT UP THERE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DISPARITIES, RIGHT UP THERE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DISPARITIES, WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DISPARITIES, WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE WARS, AND THE IR WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE WARS, AND THE IR RECONCILABLE ISSUE OF CULTURE EAST AND THE WARS, AND THE IR RECONCILABLE ISSUE OF CULTURE AND RELIGION THAT TAKES PLACE IN RECONCILABLE ISSUE OF CULTURE AND RELIGION THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND RELIGION THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BUT I THINK IF THE WORLDS COULD THE MIDDLE EAST. BUT I THINK IF THE WORLDS COULD BE A BETTER PLACE, IT WOULD BE BUT I THINK IF THE WORLDS COULD BE A BETTER PLACE, IT WOULD BE BETTER PLACE IF WE COULD CURE BE A BETTER PLACE, IT WOULD BE BETTER PLACE IF WE COULD CURE THAT. BETTER PLACE IF WE COULD CURE THAT. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN DISCRIMINAL NATALIE DESTROYED BY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN DISCRIMINAL NATALIE DESTROYED BY THAT DISEASE. DISCRIMINAL NATALIE DESTROYED BY THAT DISEASE. >>THANK YOU. THAT DISEASE. >>THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN MY PRIVILEGE. >>THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN MY PRIVILEGE. >>MINE TOO. THIS HAS BEEN MY PRIVILEGE. >>MINE TOO. THANKS SO MUCH, ED. >>MINE TOO. THANKS SO MUCH, ED. >>THANKS, BOB. THANKS SO MUCH, ED. >>THANKS, BOB. >>YES, SIR. >>THANKS, BOB. >>YES, SIR. >>.