Brent Spiner Extended Interview - Fresh hell the web series - Those video guys 34

JOHN: Hello, The Internet! ELISAR: Hello! JOHN: My name is John [Atkins]Ö alongside, as always, my good friend, colleague and co-conspirator Elisar Cabrera and together we areÖ JOHN & ELISAR: (together) ëThose Video Guys.î JOHN: As I say, a bit of a departure for us this week. ELISAR: Indeed. JOHN: Weíre not going to be reviewing any shows, per se. We have got a special celebrity guest, a WYTV exclusive, only here on ìThose Video GuysîÖ a manÖ some time ago, I think he played Data on Star Trek: the Next Generation? (photo of Brent Spiner as Data is shown) ELISAR: Indeed. JOHN: But, heís basically a household name for the web series, ìFresh Hell,î of which he is the writer and starÖ Mr. Brent Spiner. Itís a great interview. We got to meet him a couple weeks ago when he was in town for theÖ ELISAR: It was the London Film and Comic Con. JOHN: Indeed. He was so generous with his time. He was a fun, engaging and genial host and we think youíre gonna love the interview. So, check it out, and weíll be back in a couple of weeks time. (Scene switches to the interview) JOHN: Okay. Hi! Welcome to a very special ìThose Video Guysî exclusive interview. Myself, John and Elisar are here, with a man who needs very little introduction. We reviewed his web series a few weeks back and now weíve got him on the show. Itís an honor for all of us. Weíre very pleased to have you, Mr. Brent Spiner. BRENT: Oh. Thank you so much. And Iím honored as well, by the way. Thank you for having me. ELISAR: Welcome to London. BRENT: Is that where we are? JOHN: We certainly are, yeah. ELISAR: I know your agent didnít tell you these things, butÖ BRENT; No, itís true. Can we mention right off the bat that Iím sitting in a seat thatís lower than yours and Iím not exactlyÖ you guys are not giants. JOHN: Absolutely. If anything, we are both below average height and when we stood up, you towered over us. BRENT: Oh. I wanted, actually, to beat the both of you up, just from the sheer power of it. But, Iíll refrain. JOHN: Thank you. We appreciate that. We are indeed in London. I think Buckingham Palace is justÖ (points) BRENT: (points too)Ö right outside. Right outside the window. (smiles and waves at Buckingham Palace) JOHN: I think we might actually be using the Queenís WiFi at the moment. BRENT: (laughs) Yeah. Probably, we are. (Introduction to ìFresh Hellî plays) JOHN: Youíre here obviously, because we reviewed your web series, ìFresh Hell,î a couple of months back I suppose itíll be by the time this goes outÖ BRENT: Exactly. JOHN: For anyone who didnít see that show or hasnít seen ìFresh Hellî yet, why donít you just tell us a little bit about that show? BRENT: Well, ìFresh Hellî is aÖ how do I describe it? I mean, easy to describe for people who do not work on it or create it. It appears to be a sort of sit-com -ish show. We think of itÖ I think of it anyway, as a sit-traj. Because I really think the showís a tragedy and not a comedy. Itís played as a comedy, but I think underneath it, itís a very sad showÖ and there is always sort of a verisimilitude. Chris Ellis who directs the show will be very happy I said that. JOHN: Itís one of my favorite words, actually. BRENT: Itís one of his too. He uses all the timeÖ inappropriately, as Iím sure you do too. JOHN: Yes. Thatís the best way to use it. BRENT: Anyway, I had a bowl of verisimilitude last night. No. What we try to do is balance the comic and the not-so-funny at the same time. But itís a story of me, Brent Spiner, in an alternate life, basically, where Iíve done something absolutely horrible, something terrible which we refer to as ìThe Incidentî and ìThe Incidentî has destroyed my life in every possible wayÖ my career, my family, Iíve lost all my money. I have no job or any possibility of getting a job and basically everyone in the world hates me. (cuts to Dakota saying, ìHey, wait a second. Arenít you that guy everybody hates?î) BRENT: Thatís not particularly funny, really, but itÖ JOHN: It gets funny. BRENT: It does. It is funny, but I think it turns out that itís incredibly topical. Itís almost daily now. First it was monthly, then weekly, now itís almost daily that some well-known person does something absolutely horrible and destroys whatever credibility they ever had. ELISAR: Indeed. Youíve actually just arrived in London at the time of this media storm over News International. The phone hacking scandal, which is obviously now affecting Rupert Murdoch and his businesses. The point now, heads will have to roll and people will have to lose their jobs. BRENT: Yeah. Iím not sure. I tried to read about it this morning to be clear of what itís about but I couldnít perceive it at all. I actually know James Murdoch a little bit, who is a very good guyÖ uh, personally. I know very little about his business or even his fatherís business, but I know James and heís a real decent person. ButÖ yeah. So I was perplexed by that, but there it is again. And last week in America, we hadÖ who was last week in America? Well we had Representative ***, Iím sure you heard about him. ELISAR: Yes, weíve heard of him. BRENT: Ö and prior to him, we had Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlie Sheen, andÖ ELISAR: Were there any particular stories in the news, Lindsay Lohan, or Paris HiltonÖ that kind of thingÖ that was in the back of your mind when you thought of ìThe Incident?î BRENT: No. Not really. Iíve been thinking about this for a long time. Long before any of those people weíve mentioned actually did anything. But let me just say, we do know what ìThe Incidentî is. JOHN: Do you? You do? BRENT: Yes, I doÖ and the writerÖ ELISAR: Will we ever find out? BRENT: Thatís none of your business. JOHN & ELISAR: (laughs) BRENT: Can I slap you on camera? Is that alright? (presses Johnís arm warmly) No, Iím kidding. Of course, I think eventually, you will find out. Harry Hannigan, who is our brilliant writer, Chris Ellis, who directs the show and myselfÖ we know what it is and all I can tell you right now is itís worse than anything any of those people did who got famous forÖ with the possible exception of O.J. ELISAR: The clue is, of course, actually, this has affected your family, work you can understand, maybe, but actually youíve lost your family, youíve lost everything. BRENT: Right. And indeed, everyone who comes into contact with me who knows of ìThe Incidentî is disgusted by me. (cut to scene in Episode 1 on the set of Jolinda in the Morning) BRENT: I wanted to be in show business and the movies since I was a kid, and uhÖ I, IÖ ya knowÖ itís like a, a dream came true. (smiles) Jolinda: And then there wasÖ ìThe Incident.î BRENT: (smile fades) What? JOLINDA: ìThe IncidentîÖ where you lost everythingÖ your family, your home, your wealth, your career, your adoring fans. ìThe Incident,î Brent. (back to ìThose Video Guysî interview) JOHN: What I was wondering watching it isÖ you know the old adage ofÖ BRENT: (interrupts) I keep turning this way, Iím sorry, because this is my good side, actually. (pushes the right side of his face towards the camera, then sits facing away from John) So, go ahead. JOHN: We should have set it up the other way. BRENT: Nah, donít. Iíll just ignore you. Go ahead. (smiles and laughs) Yeah, yeah. ELISAR: (laughs) JOHN: Iíll face this way. (turns away from Brent) What I was wonderingÖ isÖ you know the old adage, ìNo publicity is bad publicity.î BRENT: Yes. Itís not always true. JOHN: Itís not always true. For a couple diffÖ BRENT: No, as it turns outÖ JOHN: Ö The Charlie Sheen thing. You could argue thatís done as much good for his career as bad. BRENT: Yeah. He may be one of the few who skated past it, although, it remains to be seen. I mean, he has lost millions of dollars, although I read yesterdayÖ the premiere of his showÖ his late showÖ now with Ashton KutcherÖ heís going to be roasted on Comedy Central on the same night. And he has a new sit-com for somebody else. So, I think he kind of played it, in a way, better than anyone. I donít know how, but he did. But there is a slew of people whoís bodies you could step over at this point, who you wonder, ìWhatís it gonna take to get them back?î Mel GibsonÖ Mel GibsonÖ I think Mel Gibson will come back, but Arnold, I donít know. But thereís some like, umÖ thereís so many, itís just ridiculous. Michael Richards, who really, when you look at it now, a racial slur is minor compared to what some of these other people have done, but it seems to have really taken a toll on his career. I donít know if you know the comedian, Tracy MorganÖ last weekÖ JOHN: I just heard about it recently, a lot of homophobic comments. BRENT: But itís justÖ every week, itís almost every day now, so this became much more topical than I ever knew it was going to be. It was really supposed to be about one person, which was me. JOHN: Do you think that ultimately, there is a way back for ìBrent Spinerî the character in ìFresh Hell?î BRENT: It remains to be seen. Iím thinking maybe somewhere around season seven, something will happen toÖ uhÖ ELISAR: The famous season seven. BRENT: Exactly Iíve told the guys already, I donít want to do this for more than twenty years, if I can help it. ELISAR: Well, you donít want to be typecast as Brent Spiner. BRENT: Well, exactly. Time: 9:15 BRENT: But in truth, and I donít like being philosophical, so Iíll go right ahead and do that. But underneath it all, I think thereís another incident thatís going on. Thereís the big incident, which we speak ofÖ which is reallyÖ you know, it doesnít really matter what it is. If we never found out what it was, it doesnít really matter. I think we will discover it, just because itís so good, it would be a shame not to show it. ELISAR: Maybe at the very end? BRENT: YeahÖ or well, weíll see! I donít know. AndÖ itís sort of what Hitchcock used to refer to as the MacGuffin. JOHN: Exactly. An unseen device that drives the movie somehow. BRENT: Exactly. He called itÖ he said the MacGuffin is basically that thing that everybody is after but it doesnít matter what it isÖ and this is kind of a MacGuffin. But, underneath it all, I think thereís another incident and that incident is that Brent Spiner, the character, made the mistake of getting old and getting used up and itís a mistake that I think has been made byÖ I mean certainly itís not true of my life, but in the characterës life.. but, itís true of a lot of people today and a lot of people are losing their jobs because of the recession and because theyíve been dismissed, basically, from this fraternity that theyíve spent their lives wanting desperately to be a part of, finally becoming a part of, and now theyíre kicked outÖ and, in many, many cases, spend the rest of their lives desperately trying to get back into that fraternity no matter what humiliation they have to face. Thatís kind of underneath the whole thing. ELISAR: I think people could easily miss that, because in the scene in Episode Three during The Showcase where actually youíve dyed your hairÖ JOHN: I was sharing that, yeahÖ ELISAR: Ö to bring back the youth. BRENT: Exactly. And frankly, by the way, I donít care if anybody gets any of that that I just said, because obviously our number one goal is to entertain people and to make them laugh, hopefully. ELISAR: But the great thing about the character, is of course, heís the only sane one in the seriesÖ because everybody else is completely off theirÖ BRENT: Theyíre all madÖ ELISAR: Theyíre all mad. BRENT: Itís true. Itís true. I donít know if thatís what happens when you reach rock bottom is that the population down there is all insane, but thatís the way itís happened for him. JOHN: What I was wondering watching itÖ obviously, Iím assuming thereís no big incident in your lifeÖ but is it partiallyÖ BRENT: (reaches out, touches Johnís arm) Yet. JOHN: Ö yet! We hope, fingers crossed. Touch wood. ELISAR: International News hasnít revealed it yet. JOHN: Yeah, actually, theyíre unpacking the voice mail as we speakÖ but what Iím wondering though, is there is an element some sort of autobiography to itÖ just the scene of you watching TV, waiting for the phone to ring, and agent to callÖ BRENT: Not really. JOHN: Good! Iím glad. BRENT: No, no, no. Not Really. I mean, to be honest with you, I wish I worked more than I do. I wish I wasnít here now with the two of you. I wish I was way too busy to have the two of you doing an interview with meÖ (grins, joking) But, no. One of the reasons I said is the reason Iím doing this show is because I want a TV show and nobody will give me one, so, I decided to do my own. One in which, by the way, I canít get cancelled. Because Iíve done that. But no. Iím not in any desperate shakes myself right now. JOHN: Good. ELISAR: Was this conceived as a TV pilot before you made it into a web series? BRENT: You know what? It wasnít even conceived. It just hatched on its own. We did put it together at one time, the first few episodes which youíve seen, without some of the Intros and kind of put them all together as a half hourÖ but we never went out and pitched it. We went straight to the web and our goal at this point, right now, is to find a sponsor so we donít have to keep paying for it. The first five episodes, the ones youíve seen, cost a total of eight hundred dollars. ELISAR: Really? JOHN! Wow, thatís nothing. ELISAR: Thatís astonishing. BRENT: No, no. ButÖ and I have to say in our defense, I think it looked like nine hundred. Can you imagine, by the way, what we would do with a thousand dollars? Itís fa-uh. (incredulous gasp) But Iím looking for someone toÖ for some big company likeÖ umÖ (looks at camera and smiles) Ö well, you know who you areÖ to come out and have your ad in front of our show and to give us some dough and let us make it look a little better than it does, because, the production value wasnít quite what we hoped for but we shot it in a day and a half for eight hundred dollars. That was, by the way, sandwiches. Not that good either. (soft chime) Ah! Computer. Iíve got a message! Maybe itís a job! (excited) But it would be niceÖ I donít want to take the quality of the show, the production quality, up too much. I donít want it to look slick and beautiful. But, I would like some other angles, and a little more light and the sound to be better. ELISAR: People to be paid. BRENT: People to be paid would be really nice. I mean, I know when I was first watching it, I was watching it and I was going, ìOkay, cut. To close-up. Go. Go.î and then I remembered we didnít shoot any close-ups. How could? You know. We didnít have time. So thatís sort of where we are. ELISAR: And the script, how much were you involved in this?Ö Because I know Harry has got the screenwriter credit, butÖ BRENT: Well, the three of us metÖ actually, I met Chris first and we talked about doing this and this sort of general idea, and he said, ìHey, Iíve got a pal who I think really needs to write this with us.î And so, he brought Harry in and the three of us met and then it kind of evolved intoÖ we have meetings and we throw out ideas and Harry takes notes and then he goes and writes them. I glad he does because he really is a fantastic writer. Itís amazing how quotable the show is already. And thatís due to Harryís genius. ELISAR: Iím still trying to work out how to incorporateÖ pull off a Spiner or twoÖ into everyday conversations now. BRENT: Well, you know? Iím telling you really, Iím going to. Weíre doing some t-shirts that, basically, have ìFresh Hellî on the front and ìAt least Iím not Brent Spinerî on the back. JOHN: Great! For me the catch-phrase of the show, although it was only said once, but in five very special waysÖ is ìCoach! Youíre not supposed to be in here!î Iíve watched that bit of the show so many times. I love that. Iíd probably wear a t-shirt with that on, I think, if you were to offer it. BRENT: You know, thereís so manyÖ the manager, Valerie, has a line that I love when she says, ìIím borderline delusional.î Thatís her reason that I should take her as a manager. I think, ìIím borderline delusional,î was very nice. And then, Dakota, the wonderful Kat Steel who plays Dakota next door, the next door neighborÖ she has a line that just kills me every time I say itÖ she says, after I do the whole acting gig thing, she says, ìYouíre like some magical creature, like a leprechaun or a tiger!î I just love that line. ìLike a tiger!î JOHN: Yeah, yeah. (cuts to the aforementioned scene with Dakota (Kat) and Brent) DAKOTA: (claps excitedly) Bravo! Bravo! Oh. That was amazing! Oh! Youíre like ó some kind of magical creature ó like a leprechaun or a tiger! BRENT: Well, itís not really magic, Dakota. Itís.. you know, anyone can learn to act. All you have to do isÖ put in the time and pay your dues. (back to the interview with Brent) Time 17:12 JOHN: I mean, it is a funny, it is a properly funny show. What I wanted to ask youÖ weíve talked about it being a web series, itís on the Internet. Do you like the kind of instant feedback that you get from fans? BRENT: I do. I mean, thatís another, I think, bonus of being on the web rather than being on television. There are a couple of them. One is the instant feedback. The other is, watched the show and commented on it from Russia, from China, Germany, England, AustraliaÖ everywhere! Itís amazing. Thatís instant. You know, you donít have to sell a package to another country. ELISAR: But with the idea of letís go out and make a web seriesÖ was there any pressure from an agent, maybe just from yourself, that it might be easier to do a science fiction [series], letës say? BRENT: UmÖ well, isnít it science fiction, really? (laughs) No. Well, first of all, I donít have an agentÖ and so, that was not a problem. Also, if I were to sell this to television, ëcause I still I wouldnít mind, frankly. In case anybodyís listening. (turns to camera) Agents, if youíre listening. I wouldnít mind it being on television because it feels like a television show. ELISAR: It does, absolutely. BRENT: Weíd like to keep it slightly edgier. I mean, I think it would have to be a cable show, but I could see it being on the SyFy network, frankly, just because Iím in itÖ makes it a sci-fi product in a way. And the fact that the show is referred to, itís referenced and the character is referenced and that gives it sort of a sci-fi thing. But it really is just a comedy-tragedy. Whatever. I mean, obviously, we tip our hat to Larry DavidÖ ELISAR: Yeah, ìCurb your Enthusiasm,îÖ tip it for him. BRENT: Ö because it does have that sort of feel to it because he plays himself. But then an even bigger tip of the hat further back to Jack Benny, who Larry probably tips his hat toÖ who played himself always in an alternate reality that wasnít really his life. ELISAR: Ricky Gervais in ìExtras.î JOHN: Have you seen ìExtrasî at all? BRENT: Yeah. I have, but Ricky doesnít play Ricky. ELISAR: No, he doesnít, but heís an actor. JOHN: But also, what I was wonderingÖ every week, because I think what youíve done is really originalÖ but every week on ìExtrasî and Iím not a fan of it, I should probably point that outÖ BRENT: (turns to camera) I am, Ricky, if youíre listening. (points at John and makes a ìwhatís with him?î face) JOHN: Oh, if heís listening, Iím a big fanÖ but Iím just assuming that heís not. But, every week, they sort of wheel out a big celebrity and they play hilariously against type and they sort of act in a way you wouldnít expect them to do and make ironic racist remarks or derogatory things that you wouldnít expect them to say. (pause) And, umÖ Thatís something thatÖ oh dear, I didnít really think of a question. Itís just something I thought of when youÖ uhÖ ELISAR: You havenít been tempted to reel in the celebrity friends who can do a cameo? BRENT: Yeah. Well, we will be doing that very thing. Hopefully, weíll be able to get Ricky Gervais on the show at some point, butÖ Yeah. To tell us that weíre not doing it right or something. JOHN: Well, I guess what I was trying to say was youíre playing yourself like some of these guys, but youíre sort of not playing yourself. I mean, youíre not the pathetic BRENT: Exactly. Iím actually monstrous in person as you can see. JOHN: Absolutely, yeah. BRENT: I think what separates it reallyÖ You were saying something close to that. In my mind, I donít know that thereís ever been a comedy about someone who is desperate. If thereís one word to describe the show, what the umbrella is, it is desperate. ëCause that is what he is. I donít think weíve ever seenÖ you know, Larryís show, Larryís fine. Larry walks through the worldÖ um, and he affects the world that he walks through. But heís doing great, and Jack Benny was doing greatÖ and Ricky was, I guess maybe Ricky is the only one, he was kind of a loser on ìExtrasî in a way. JOHN: OhÖ I think things picked up for him. BRENT: It did, things rebounded for him towards the end, but he was sort of desperate in the beginning. So, I guessÖ weíre just like ìExtras!î If we could just get some big guest stars. Weíre like ìExtrasî without the big stars. JOHN: Good. Well, itís enjoyable. I was just looking at your career bio and before you even got into TV, you were a stage actor on and off Broadway. BRENT; Yeah. But, Iím sorry, it just struck me, did we mention the fact that Iím sitting in a lower chair than you guys are? I want this on camera. JOHN: Yeah. We mentioned it once already. BRENT: Did we mention that already? JOHN: Once or twice. BRENT; I think we thought about it. Did we mention it? I think itís worth mentioning twice, by the way. Iím much, much larger than they are. Yeah, we did mention it. JOHN: Brent Spiner is a very tall man. BRENT: Youíre right. Okay. Alright. Weíll fix this in post [production} Go ahead. JOHN: I was just saying, you started off as a theater actor, on an off BroadwayÖ and Iím wondering, now that Iím presuming youíve got some sort of financial independence and can do what you likeÖ including the web seriesÖ BRENT: Yeah. JOHN: Are you looking to also do more stage work? BRENT: Lose money in other ways? JOHN: Exactly. BRENT: Yeah, Iím constantly looking for ways to lose money. That seems to beÖ thatís another career of mine. I did a CD a couple years ago. Iím sure you have a copy of it. ELISAR: Dreamland. BRENT: Dreamland. Do you have it? ELISAR: No. BRENT: No? Well, I may have to lay a copy on you, because I do have one with me. It was aÖ *coughs* Ö pardon me. It was a concept album, CD thatÖ actually, I have not lost money. But it took a long time. Iíve just broken even, finally, because it was a very expensive CD. When you hear it, youíll see why. It really isÖ it was a labor of love. Itís a kind of a surreal radio show, in a way. JOHN: Itís a spoken word, itís not a music CD. BRENT; Itís both. JOHN: Okay. BRENT: Itís a musical, but we think of it as a musical of the mind, actually. Because, you have to imagine whatís happening with these people and there is dialogue. I sing on it with a brilliant singer named Maude Maggart, whoÖ sheís played here a few times, Maude. Sheís just one of the greatest singers in the world and youíll see that, or hear it, when you listen to it. And Mark Hamill, actually, does all of the other male voices on it. ELISAR: Good. JOHN: Great! Time 24:09 BRENT: And so, I did that, and yes, I would like to do more Broadway or more Off Broadway. I did a production of ìMan of La Manchaî in Los Angeles a couple of years ago. Didnít think I was going to really want to do that show, I mean, ìMan of La Mancha?î (sneers) But once I started working on itÖ a friend of mine, Jason Alexander, runs a theater in Los Angeles calledÖ JOHN: George! Or another one? BRENT: Yes. JOHN: Okay. George from Seinfeld. I know him. BRENT: Yeah. Among other things. (turns to the camera) If youíre listening. Because I know there are certain actors who donít like to be referred to by their characterís name. I donít have that problem. But anyway, he asked me to do it. I said, ìWhy do you want to do ëMan of La Manchaí?î and he said, ìI love ëMan of La Mancha.í I said, ìAlright, if Iím not doing anything, and you know, I was praying that something would come and prevent me from doing it but it didnít. And so I did it, and really, within the first few days of working on the material, I thought, ìMy god, this is really good.î Itís just been done wrong many, many times. We had a director who was brilliant and he had figured out this concept of what had been wrong with the show. So, it went very, very well. I tried to get the rights to do it either here in London or in New York, but the rights are held by the lyricist, Mitch Lee and he wonít give me the rights. He said, actually, that only a superstar can do my show. ELISAR: He hasnít watched ìFresh Hellî yet, has he? BRENT: Clearly, he is not a web fan. But, a year went by and I tried one more time to encourage him to give it to me. Because heís a lyricist, I wrote him, I said, ìDear Mitch, hereís the sitch (situation), had an itch, to make one more pitch.î And he wrote me back. The first time he didnít write me back, but the second time he wrote me back and he said, ìLook, Iím really glad you liked the show, but thereís going to be a huge production in London this year and then itís gonna come to New York.î Thatís not true. He just told me that to get rid of me. But, uhÖ if you guys have any influence over the musical theaterÖ ELISAR: We do. We do have your first album. JOHN: Really? Wow. BRENT: Oh yeah. ìOld Yellow Eyes.î ELISAR: But both albums hearken to a previous era. Is that musically what you enjoy personally. BRENT: (shrugs) Yeah, basically. I mean, not entirely. Itís more what Iím capable of doing. Because I come from the theater too. Yeah, my heroes are singers of the past, really. I like Sinatra and Bing Crosby and Roy Orbison and Harry Nilsson and people like that. JOHN: Have you got plans to make another CD? BRENT: No. I donít think Iíll ever make another one. (looks at the camera, holds out a hand) Let me just pause for the groans out there in web land. JOHN: The disappointment. Yeah, of course. BRENT: No, actually. The first one took me about five years to make my money back on. The second one took about three years, and itís just too hard. I donít have any machine behind me like a studio or anything like that. As it turned out, the reason I made this one in particular is I owned a recording studio in Los Angeles, co-owned it with a couple of friends of mine, and it was a beautiful studio. The Rolling Stones recorded there, the Red Hot Chili Peppers. All kinds of people. I think Tom Jones built it originally, but it was redone and it was really spectacular. We had it for about three years and then the music business tanked, so we got rid of it. But, in that three years, I turned to one of my partners and said, ìHey, as long as we have this studio, we should do a CD.î And he went, ìOkay, letís do one. Can you come up with something?î And so, I came up with this idea and he is a brilliant mixer and engineer and producer and I got a friend of mine who is also a genius arranger, John McKinney. Dave Way was the mixer and we came up with this deal and did it. JOHN: So, we touched on it a little bit earlierÖ is there gonna be?Ö well, there is gonna BRENT: Of ìFresh Hell,î yes. JOHN: Have you started writing it or shooting it? BRENT: Yeah, yeah. Itís being written right now. The idea is to have kind of a ten episode arc this time. You know, itís a work in progress, this thing. Weíre figuring it out at the same timeÖ maybe all TV shows areÖ you know, things like this. We sort of, kind of got a lot of information from doing the first ones. One of them was just to trust ourselves. We took a scene out that we later put in the deleted scenes that a lot of people really liked. We got a lot of positive feedback, so we thought, ìYou know what? We should JOHN: Goodbye!