Pill That Would save 10 Million but Kill 10,000...ethical?

before we go to break it that it is time to we've had a lapse because luis has been navigating the world of uh... turkish bath houses we haven't had morality question for lewis for a while but this is one that's it's actually not dat far-fetched and i recently read the constant gardener and it's in it's an issue that's in that book and it's also an issue that exist in reality in the u_s_ in here it is if there was a medication in development that had the potential it would save ten million people afflicted with the disease bubble realistically kill ten thousand during the trial that will be necessary in order to get to that point uh... is unethical to develop what would you say would you go forward and say yeah ten thousand people will die but we're going to save ten million goes a complicated question is a tactical to develop it yes as far as the testing does is it that the call to be giving it to people what do you know we're going to die uh... and not tell them premium white and i thought that i would not know bats sort that out of this number one when people are participating in these trials there told their experimental there may be unpredictable side effects opt to and including death what sick people are cards are told that um... that but inevitably still ten thousand people are going to die from this until you get to the the right formula which will save ten million people as long as the people in the trial or where they could kill them yes typing is fine ok it however this is a good visit www it's known that you are going to be able tatoo perfect this and save ten million people so therefore is it still ethical to subject people to die from a disease if they just waited they wouldn't have to die from presumably so that the sees that this is carrying might not be it would be fatal but this is going to be this is going to be uh... in other words this is going to be done it's going to be developed in a year all of the people still have several years to live hypothetically ok so if they did wait if they didn't participate they would eventually be able to reap the benefits of dominican afforded of this medication so therefore is it still ethical the subject people to assad and faster death what do you think understand anton the real question is whether you would volunteer to be one of her phone it right yet the house to be our r_b_c_ volunteer basis if you volunteer but so your elderly you know any volunteer that's fine if that's how they can achieve uh... for right uh... peretz better focus alot restructure in what way with this not be ethical if it was going to be if you were telling people that they were being used as guinea pigs or a fleck and the constant gardener for example you are specifically choosing low-income or third-world parts of the world as it has this on that i think we would all agree would be unethical absolutely okay at what i thought we play the devil's advocate and we say you know what we need to test that somewhere and there's going to be more money made on this if were able to give it to people in the u_s_ and europe after it's been licensed that if we are to tested on people in the u_s_ and europe and give it to people in africa i mean this is hypothetical if we're talking about tuberculosis for example is the case in constant gardener uh... obviously that's a complete profit motive situation i would find a completely honest house moving that way brett however what if the argument from the from the pharmaceutical companies as white why do we have to test it in in the uh... in the poor areas why do we have to do without well they don't have to do that would you ever take part in one of these trials that's how much money i was uh... i was going to get him arnelle money no money loaned money you had a condition and it wasn't looking good for you will by taking part in the trial date maybe it's going to lead to the development of something that would save others hard to say uh... may depend on how sick i was well there is a there's lewis take on it lewis is wearing a david patten show t-shirt made from a hundred percent recycled materials get one at david packing dot com slash gear will be back we'll talk to floyd brown we'll talk about yet another incident of right wing tera kya david had mentioned and david pacman dot com