Teacher Not Allowed to Talk about This Constitutional Amendment

david beckham and she uh... and david packard dot com welcome back to the david packard show thanks to everybody who was watching us from the we survived bush he will survive obama face book page check that out also lewis we have talked about amendments apparently teachers talking about the second amendment is a very very different and teachers talking about the fifth amendment here's a really interesting story a high school teacher named john dryden independent illinois could be disciplined for telling his students that they have fifth amendment rights before he gave the most a survey that school officials wanted to used to gauge the emotional needs of the students okay the survey included a lot of questions about drug and alcohol use and the bit aditya maybe it's became via have to admit i'm not sure if it's batavia herbert idea the daily herald in that town reported uh... just a couple of days ago the teacher john dryden advice students of the right not to incriminate themselves before giving them a screener survey which had each student's name printed on in other words this was not an anonymous survey dryden said to the herald i made a judgment call there was no time to ask anyone and he could be issued a letter of remedy which would stay in his employment record ican by fetches ability to get future teaching jobs et cetera and um... brad new correct was the chief academic off officer of the county a public school district one oh one told the same newspaper that the survey aspirants about their emotions and about use of drugs alcohol and tobacco the answers were then going to be reviewed by social workers school counselors and psychologist the survey was purchased from a private company called multi health systems inc and did not provide a copy saying it great uh... that the school didn't provide a copy to the media saying it had some proprietary information on it this is this is interesting because the driving told like a former student for example joburg el nino about the possibility of sanctions against him which prompted brutality oda creating online petition defending dryden and people are on all sides of this issue right question one is alright just stating the fact that the fifth amendment exists and what people's rights are doesn't change of whether people have or don't have those rights is principal like a miranda warning does not determine whether the person has those rights it near that merely indicates whether they've been advised that they have them in the same way could we imagine the teacher saying hey guys the second amendment exists just so you know we have a constitutionally protected right to bear arms the other issue is whether it was really his place or not and who's place it was to be saying whatever but in any case amaya wrong at the fundamental thing here is that he's being punished simply for stating something which is accurate you'd the fifth amendment does exist it seems like that's what they're trying to punish him for uh... now if if this test was mandatory and he's not actually uh... a constitutional issue uh... which i'm not commenting on that but if that's the case then maybe the school does have some to uh... to you know will but if it is mandatory should they not have past teachers for permission how can you force students without parental permission minors in most cases to answer about drug and alcohol use what's your view on it and sign bombing it did the surveys one anonymous and uh... apparently parents didn't give their consent so you're basically asking minors without their parents' consenting to a whether they've engaged in illegal activity now they can then say or we're not going to give the salon forstmann it will never be used against them legally blah blah blah biting that's a separate issue from the fifth amendment thing in other words the future was just explaining what the fifth amendment is it is true that it's kind of irrelevant to this in the sense that for me it would have been more than enough for the teacher just to say hey kids like you'd only have to answer this uh... if your parents didn't consent to a real problem i have with you with that the problem i have with that is that that might be that it may be mandatory from the point of view of the school and by saying that the teacher may actually be doing something which is directly going against school policy simply state even if it's not relevant like what you're saying is the fifth amendment may not really be what applies here but even if it doesn't stating that the fifth amendment exists does not directly by late school you will agree with that yet ready with a degree *** very interesting story send me your thoughts on it