Midweek Politics with David Pakman - Eric o'neill interview - Part 2 of 2

so when you say when you say don't them in the ground at briefly there was hansen was using what's called the dead drop technique involving a park bridge and the u_s_ mailbox to get the information to his soviet contacts so can you just give us the quick summary of of what that means and how that works great dilated at licking note your by criminology delivery spread a lot of spy novels i think that that is what the public that her up and that's exactly right at that drop with prefab location where the by indicate hampton will crop information for his in color for the intelligent think it will come pick it up and the kick it with the russian so what he did it he had a scenario where certain date with drop secret and the ground in actually not in the ground aloo historically they would actually through the whole area he would put it underfoot pridgen buxton park he would then go marc what's called signal site and then indicates that the fox park drop the dot would put a pizza tape on a telephone pole the russian intelligence dot servlet conduct would call it that they don't detection router f_d_r_ to make sure there's no f_b_i_ people like me following them out of the embassy right what they thought they were clean it would go by the telephone poll through the tape thank our topic which are coming go out the puck don't park service but that drop which uh... with me may go to the park to deducted better wait if they have to go to the the bridge in pulled a secret and then that they would mark and difficult site that would tell him that money was waiting for ur so by the way we remind our audience was beaten eric o'neill story in the investigation of robert hansen possibly the most notorious by the u_s_ intelligence is uh... speaking with us at the movies called reaching his played by ryan philippine the records suggest that hansen was very paranoid in his later years doing searches for his kind of code name ramon garcia which was one of the ones who used to communicate with the russians on f_b_i_ computers on other colleagues f_b_i_ computers did you sense he was suspicious of you from the start or did he leave the story he was told it getting he had to open special certainly uh... that marion traversed by college you working with them and that make that you know looking from the other side of the facts here we know he was a spy that he was act actually e very significant pipette in a five percent twenty here right and so coming into what finchley was dream job and when you get something that could you have to think yourself with good to be true five in-depth sort of fitness in the in the by a counter spite thanks for the mad magazine the whites by versus a black like game you can allow yourself to feel paranoid because paranoia create here and once you uh... start hearing things you're completely paralyzing can operate so what if i have to do and operate from a position of confidence until they see that thing that makes them feel that they're in trouble that their power lol and when that happened then iraq the fact that you cannot run should be kept that while he may have been sufficient i performed well enough to keep them from being those proficient that he felt paranoid a man bailed on the operation speaking of performing in we just have a couple of minutes left movie breached vary dramatically recounts the palm pilot incident where you were to copy information from his palm pilot pretty significant risk of in catching you and then put the palm pilot back and as as the movie tells it yuor ryan philippi conifer got after you copy the information where in his briefcase you grab the pol palm pilot from bumping you kind of summed up in some determine did you fear for your life where you thinking if he realizes the palm pilot moved he makes the connections instantly and on the dead yeah that certainly went through my mind this a rapid picked in the movie is almost a hundred percent accurate hoon a couple things were changed or ryan actually take the template that down within himself in real life i had to run down to collect that switch which i think is actually a little bit more yet gary it depicted in the movie asap and when i got the patron coming back to you i was i wouldn't even on the plane or it's actually true i i made a rookie mistake layoffs remove the parm pilot actually i've got a card also bell for pocket the back out and put them all hope filled devices than the one device came from one pocket one defied came from another pocket and i was million private bag thinking i have no clue was stock it they pulled it out and and had no time to think it because that rather with sitting there wondering which bucket to put it back into he was coming through the door into the office so i had to literally took drop one and one pocket one of the other statement that yet the pemain lop and run back to my dept before he found me going through it back in israel and it's quite possible that had that you relied that i had taken comparability alll what we do you know now that we know the information that went on there i think he could have felt that became was completely out than right and that i had trade him ironically betrayal of the worst thing depicted there he could have shopped you worried today about somebody might still have it out for you messed up their source that type of thing or house does that affect you uh... i got i get up by quite a lot of and because it at the russian adult they play a very intellectual game and bakery v a good twenty-five years of very very significant critical intelligence robert hanson met at that probably allow them to beat the united states for decades while elephant well i wish we had more time we can speak material new georgetown group inc dot com thanks so much for calling in airing your very walks to get students this week politics with factories find mid-week politics dot com to that pr it's on the second floor of pawns marketplace 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