Msnbc - 'sanctuary cities' for illegal immigrants?

the fight over the new has our immigration laws re-ignited debate over so-called sanctuary cities that used to protect the legal immigrants from the authorities of all the senators richard shelby of alabama and even better louisiana sent a letter to attorney general eric holder expressing concern about a justice department program the senators say provides funding the sanctuary cities it reads the state criminal alien assistant program is essentially providing rule in blore for illegal aliens and potential terrorists sanctuary cities what counties who hypocritically requests s_c_ eight people being are providing sanctuary of safe havens for primal aliens the justice department says it is reviewing the letter while request the reauthorize the program is pending in congress frank sharry except founder and executive director of america's voice he's also the legal immigration reform negotiator with the white house and congress chris called bach is a constitutional law professor who co-authored the controversial arizona immigration law prior to that he was an advisor to former attorney general john ashcroft he's a candidate for the secretary of state in kansas all right well let me start bill with you frank who how many centuries cities farther in the country zero okay for the political writer grace exaggerated extra golden or was this through this drugs are not americans are strong the other ideas of trumped up sound bite on the right there every city in the country ripken hands over serious criminals to the federal immigration authorities for deportation as they should the idea that veto cities are letting people go free or committing crimes serious crimes is wrong what chris and his cry i want to do is go after ordinary housekeepers and busboys drive them out of the country drive them away from oklahoma city christian absolutely had it on that in inmagic in nineteen ninety-six congress passed the statute and clinton signed it which says that no city shall prevent is police officers reporting a person to defense their immigration status that is not a century city as a city that prohibits its officers from reporting a person to ice there are numerous isn't several dozen cities the qualify depends if you count a formal ordinance or just a police policy does not mean ordnance but the most notorious of which is san francisco where they do not allow other police officers to call ice policy can have deadly consequences of course the the case most people know what is the bologna family two in two thousand eight lost three family members of father and two sons shot in cold blood coming home after picnic after church one sunday by an illegal alien the san francisco had and it's costing three times for crimes of violence at san francisco never picked up on the call ice because their sanctuary city policy prohibit them from calling ice frank is that a eccentricity is it frank is that true kiski sepsis who can they not call ice if they've got a felony fear francisco was arguably the only century city that exist in the country and after that heinous crime they rolled back their their policy so they're no longer essentially say look this policy nearly got its start cargo hold on chris alleging finish i think this was really think i think this policy really got his leadership from rudy guiliani remember the crime-fighting mayor in new york do you realize that if they were girls were afraid to report crimes and serve as witnesses that ordinary housekeepers and busboys were in the country illegally would refuse to work with police and would undercut their crime fighting since he started the policy that chris is now calling a sanctuary city policy finally guiliani was soft and i was a gross eventually i realized i sucked on target now of course not the limited only but doesn't receive calls himself a sister which was the sort of mother of all social causes started in nineteen eighty four long before rudy guiliani ever became mayor you are correct that new york city did for a while have a century policy in place but there are many cities around the country that are breaking federal audit if regular regulatory measures duration and the obama administration has not gotten earlier this is why i say seventy three but here's the situation arises disagree on facts and there is a drill answers what i read was that there are not any century cities left anymore that war handover felons who are immigrants but you know what we need to get over to political activity simon who's right who's wrong and i think i want to take the rest of the time he has both of you can we get a compromise here where we say hey listen let's last for papers of people with any suspicion and likely east germany used to do well on the other hand if someone is arrested that we should definitely ask if they're legal or illegal in this country can you agree that frank lab unwilling to agree to it if they are there they've been charging serious crimes when i'm not interested in is prefecture asked against busboys which rightly broken taillights that's what the arizona law would have done anne stop for any kind of pretest will arrest would have led to people they have for papers and the judge was right to say that's unconstitutional in america disappoint doesn't quite agree how about you chris actually uh... being familiar with syrian litigating it quite a bit uh... there's nothing unconstitutional to being done all over the country right now whenever someone stop for a traffic violation an officer can if he wishes asking to pick inquired immigration status the federal government has a system set up to it uh... i address those inquiries all arizona would have done would have made it mandatory for police us is not an optional for police officers answer your question you know sure there are in hillians who commit very serious crimes but there but you know the entry into the united states is itself a crime as a misdemeanor the first time if only the second time and there are millions of americans looking for work why in the world would be we be willing to say oh let's turn a blind eye to all the people taking those jobs that our own american citizens would love to have so i don't think you can say oh that's a that's a low-level crime committing an immigration offence it has real consequences designing women we don't think that the arizona laws in solution we need congress' a password with obviously some people who gets the solution i might not agree but obviously some people do including chris sort out the legal right there frank sharing chris cho bot thank you so much for joining us really appreciated my pleasure alright