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I'm going to turn it over to our Rocky Mountain Host So Ratna please take it away
Hi this is Retna Gupta, on behalf Matt McAllen, Regional Solicitor at RMR
I'd like to welcome you to our second part of diversity training
We did the first training back in April and kinda the theme for April and kinda the theme for April and this one was the new work place para-dime
In April you heard about multi-generation workforce and challenges and how to address those supervisors and transgender cases
and in this time were going to continue that same theme of situational leadership
Leading to success and awareness of the many facets of our workforce
we're going to kick it off with some Indian law we're going to kick it off with some Indian law and tribal preference
Mr. Stevens Simpson is a senior attorney with the division of Indian affairs and he handles matters involving Indian trust minerals, lands and leasing, _____ and cultural resources,
He has been with Interior for 14 years and including to assistant solicitor for trust responsibility
So he'll be kicking it off than will move to work place violence
and this is sort of an emotional intelligence a kinda facet of diversity.
To just to be aware of the signs and affect of work place violence, *** harassment vs. *** assault
And a supervisor in our current time we hear a lot about EOC
This will be a great topic for awareness
Then will conclude with a case law update covering several facet of diversity, city law, and addressing the new divers workforce we have
And I'll introduce today's speaker as we get to that block
So Steven are you ready Yes, okay I'll kick it to you right now
Okay, hmm So umm initially I was going to talk about the essential of Indian law, but i'm not going to talk about that I'm going to talk a little about preference Umm, so the initial slide said I'm going to talk about how Indian law is developed generally
Mostly, what I'm going to talk about is how Indian law is developed a bit, generally
and than the trust responsibility and how that works The umm
and than I'll tell you about one particular case involves tribal preference and the inter-section of and employment preference and trust responsibility
So first a little about Indian country The in general, their are 566 federal recognized tribes
You see the breakdown here between the lower 48 and the Alaska native villages who are tribes
This doesn't include the Alaska regional villages corporations who are not recognizably tribes
They cover 33 different states You will note that not everyone has land
There are over 275 land area recognized as reservations, either formal or informal across the country There are none of those in Alaska and their are not a lot of them in California
So their are plenty of tribes up there that do not have land But the one that do have the largest Navajo
Which as size is as large as the state of Virginia
The smallest many of those California ones and others have just a few acres
So how do those tribes relate to the United States? Much of this is related to case law and treaty the term that is used in the earliest is coined by Chief Justice, John Marshall in the 1830s
Said that the relationship between tribes and the federal gov is that of a word to its guardian We generally do not use the word ward and guardian anymore We talk about trusty and beneficiary
The language tends to change through the years But the tribes are sovereign government You'll see that I refer to nation tier
The terms seem to change through the years But If your talking about a particular tribe than you want to use the term that tribe prefers But their a sovereign government
Their the sovereignty started before the United States was ever established before contact and continuous on by the Federal Government It is not a delegation from Congress
It is completely separate and distinct And that why their is a government to government relationship
Or some call it a nation to nation relationship Between the US and tribes and that government to government relationship is not just interior government relationships
It is the entire US Government the relationship and trust responsibility
and other parts of that relationship goes to the entire US government
So the US, not the dept. of the interior, not the BIA The US is trusty for tribes and individual that have a trust relationship So the beginning of that trust relationship are with proclamation King George III in 1763
Which decreed that land in the west the unsettled part of the colony could not be conveyed except with permission of the crown The constitution has two clauses to talk about
Art 1 section 8 contains the Indian commerce clause Which gives Congress the authority to commerce with the Indian tribes
And article 2 section 2 is the treaty clause which allows the president produce treaty with Indian tribes That was the main way of dealing with tribes with the federal government until 1871 when the house of representatives decided it didn't want to enroll in the process to and not just the senate So congress stopped the treaty making
In 1790 congress passed part of Indian trade and intercourse act Congress modified upon for the US
That no Indian land can be conveyed without the permission of the United States
The version that's in the US code is from 1834 and that is commonly referred as the non-intercourse act because it inhibits intercourse for tribes
The supreme court role is huge on Indian law Cherokee Nation v. Georgia i talked about earlier with Chief Justice Marshall known as the Marshall trilogy three cases Marshall done on Indian law of the 1830's
This is the one that has that domestic language in it US v. Kagama 1886 confirms power of congress over Indian country That provision in the commerce clause giving congress that power to stop doing treaty in 1871 So by 1886 it's congress
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thank you run a I'm the workplace violence is a really important top that
level yet not something that occurred
very often which i think we're all appreciate for but the thing and when it
does occur it something that we
want to know exactly how to handle on because the issues are going to be very
delicate
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on to know how to respond to any workplace Islands issue
let workplace violence thank you to find
any after threat physical violence harassment intimidation or other
threatening destructive behavior that occurs in the workplace an important
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include threats I know a lot of people think the workplace Island
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violent behavior may include dresses well in the important part about
addressing got judges seriously and we do
physical conduct in threat we have an opportunity to
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call behavior to convict on
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up and become the workplace violence and accounts for about 17 percent
evolved fatal work injuries Catherine 2012
on from last year there were 757 workers were killed
a result that workplace violence and include just saying about
on homicide and suicide and
American protection board actually did a study and 2010
and that he had that out thirteen-percent
federal workers saying that in the last two years
they had been a witness to workplace violence let alone more than one in ten
on employees so again it doesn't come up more often I think some people think it
what kind of workplace violence what we talking about their deadly
categorized into four types: the first one I'll act like I'm not
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are often largely have in place already physical security measures I think
you know we that and to get into work on
employer policies what to do with a friend you see someone walking around
the building
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other and that you should question here can I help you with something
and peering out with a report so it does kinda quality what to do
if the individual in the office place that aren't supposed to be there
and then employee training on how to respond
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problematic behaviour for him he have the opportunity to address it
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employees are at on and meaningful workplace violence issues but is there
anything you can do that
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know how you're supposed to respond
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right now then we can address it
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believe you cannot carry out that threat to date made
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that may be more realistic for us tonight and our clients may have
more remote locations where on you know it may be a couple hours
anybody get there so in that case should be a manager but we're at all possible
threat everyone somebody to
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and then we're gonna wanna get immediately thereafter documentation
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today
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yet technology and not direct threats anymore in person
it is *** United wanted a in
women and ample they're headed read it
criminal charges %uh in
it today Facebook
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here and why you know
and every there where are they having it school
and on a bloody already
face Ford in jail %uh
while you're trying to work out situation he was a
be okay say thing
%uh demanded my first day
I made an active threat or people
but at least it they believe it and already
kid around all and for aidid
threat because they didn't know he really
three-way it
it's likely that we might see more that employment
there are issue coming up
employment thank you for letting that way I do you think that this is
something that's gonna come up often and the bigger
think I wanted think not apply that you know how we're going to evaluate
off-duty threat really is into behavior clearly
related to the workplace yes certainly and employees and making a threat
shoot workplace it just so happens you're doing it off-duty hours what not
going to matter
up with respect to how we're going to handle that hot how to handle that
conduct and how we're gonna
traffic hitting take the threat seriously
on contact law enforcement contact
HR talk about being the person on administrative leave and what
what it did to plan and any other appropriate a baby in this is Matt what
what
lookin avatar for the
character that you create online are on
no on the computer that represent yourself so it's like a cartoon
is character online represent you in like it that I had a case for someone
can't complain that's your for another worker at home worker
bear computer character with sexually harassing
their online computer to the minute you know what they are
it's all a bit and although it does kinda
world people are all on well you know at home
it didn't work environment you have to look you
other places where these issues might come up
don't let resources are available to you didn't have to work late Island
fellow
question find out and
is there any anywho out there even any better management practices that are
suggesting and
today's hi sled managers have a responsibility to the trust
try and monitor what employees are doing outside of work environment
to monitor what their posting on Facebook et cetera
are we just talking about it becomes to come to your attention
and them to come to your attention actually there are talking about what
people write
cannot deal with respect to monitoring their employees Facebook
under the law case law talking about you cannot require your employees to give
you access to their Facebook and other social media accounts
on our time still working where people are friendly with their
providers or their coworkers their friend
with one another and a report to the provider
I just felon I'll post something on Facebook
and that's how I received a lot of complaints on
a key provider that report from another employee that their coworkers
coated something that's an appropriate or post something that's threatening
and I thought someone to do something about it love it being reported to you
then you have the right to a drug that but yeah I think it when it comes up
and and I would be cautioned that out on becoming involved in
employees online social media accounts
darnell we need he said right to investigate you have an obligation
yes yet did you get red you get
report to you a threat at work led by under actual workplace violence and you
do have an obligation to you
investigated and addressed that conduct to make sure that you're dropping
you know anything to be concerned with respect to of it
independent there you obviously be getting
law enforcement depending on let it and you know you're talking with the HR I
think involving
human resources and that conversation is really important because they can help
you identify click the correct individualist to conduct an
investigation
and again go on have good pinpoint on
what it but it's gonna be consistent %uh with that kinda whatever the threat was
the 1i conduct live
& Co with respect to restart its gonna look at that time you know can be
employed
given point in time on Family Medical Leave there any medical issues that came
up it departed no workplace violence
and then local retarded make sure you know your area
where can you look for somebody who's been a victim of workplace violence
I'm gonna try to move it over running a little behind I'll but
now just wanted it this is ready to get done %uh
lately and the media Lee to the last you know several non
idiot didn't hide it under fire for on
*** assault 90 whole new branch
be created to create victim advocate he killed
so with energy and cooler in the airport now
actually s now where you can I would hear the giant
victim I think it can wrap on active duty
did whether it's also allotted a issues that have come out
dnt we thought it would be appropriate YouTube instrumentation
because the are reaching a stack
*** assault on army it's not just
not you know rate it can't be
you know in the workplace or out that would please read at Unity
door you cannot he then *** assault
%uh are alive and well believe it or not in our modern 20
38 society on and
QDs front that LA and and other president me
statement our community make a statement about it
we actually custom issues free the first commercial
going on a few of them %uh got emergency red
piled high onto defense counsel's because
technically one commander in chief makes comment
that everybody should try unlawful command influence
which then kicked in do we overturned do we can keep this case out
and complicated get overturned
so I'll it cut for me he is an adequate
703 retracted from the white house
so fortunately a lot of cases have renewed now and
couple go forward in October at least in my
nobody else was that I workers two cases that are gonna go for it I'm sure you've
heard about the San Antonio Lackland Air Force Base cases
surrounding area in here in October on
but exigent don't lie any the effect is over
from social thought that we know what we should be concerned about it
and even if it's not healthy you know
in the workplace it's something to be aware
because it affects Commission I have played effected
work people do in effect relationship between the people
is stirred involvement even as I and
co workers involved in binding consent
their ability to sell and just
humanity emotional issue
so if you don't like right now than it used to be that bit late actual
solid look at is you know how can we get them not to be ***
Kb all victims focused don't wear hair in a ponytail
the no I remember circulating around know where your hair in a ponytail
because when you wear your hair in ponytail
make the easier for if they want to grab you pull you down on the ground in ***
you
well smartly I think the approach to become okay so maybe we shouldn't talk
to the dugout
what they can do not not be a *** victim maybe we should talk about Fight
Center intervention welcome even ID see
on a change in behavior and address maybe content
*** harassment stage are we more competitive look out for our peers so
that they don't become victims of *** assault
basically the change from the old approach would
let a long time you know %um from the days where you couldn't get me
fight about there was no way in a lot needs to be done
you were married your husband or your flight could not wait
on so there's been a lot of change in my kids to be happy going
from become centric few bystander intervention
and there's a lot of like every week we get a lot in this training in the
in the effort to leave by entertaining and a lot of videos about people just
not wanting to do anything
not wanting to get involved not
that's where the train and show people where and how did you get involved with
our
what you know hurting themselves and it
think you know largely it you your either addressing
*** harassment on and then concerned
*** assault or your commitment and i think im the idea
you know you need to address first time that thing anybody
mitigating and program actual behavior especially at the workplace
it needs to be addressed one thing that's what women want
her at here look like on a kid actually reported
the effort have weekend there ninety-five percent
I'll reported Katie involve alcohol in Jax
and they're generally happening at unit cohesion on
tell one thing to be aware and managers and
you know solicitor giving advice to clients
is to the land situation that employees are being put in
and party jury eddie Van as well and the other thing to think about it that event
from the Department of Defense army on about a third of the reported
*** assault on every for that reported *** harassment
thinking and yesterday thinking and that
you know it we can address we can potentially prevent
*** assault we addressed *** harassment
and I think that's the point with respect our offices
you know we really need to address *** harassment even that small
one of common and make sure that it stop and it doesn't go any further and become
worse contact
I think zero-tolerance policy is should be in effect you know any
and I and you know seated in a client
when we get cases it just right up front
it generally not and i'm looking up to take it
no fear all the time he said fear training
probably double time go yeah we should note that happened to me to be
verbal nonverbal or conduct
find with actual on all complain
well the birthing and taken seriously and deal with it properly
you know there is a on Kennedy especially attorney
to want to judge the facts in a key to another
someone come to us complaint a number that they want to do with it
that there's a play and see what the strengths and weaknesses are
well into conflict with a complaint about football but not really our job
right and that were not acting in their account or we're not gonna represent
them in any kind of legal proceedings
our job is really to make sure that the product is getting trapped and than that
you know what occurred at work by a coworker that we
have safety mechanisms that are taking place making sure that we're
they've got everyone conduct for everyone in office
on so we know what we're gonna do we get it going to be just like other workplace
violence
its gonna depend on the nature and severity I'll the conduct that reported
how we're gonna drive a really good quality same procedures who
contact on human resources
he on those kinds resort
and you and again
it yes and we look at what time let me try to drive a little
simply what we made available what local resort there are
and then again in there any trendy simply another thing to think about it
employees at reporting a *** assault
to you on Justin evident question
%uh you know what immediately should be done with that person should they be
seeking medical care
have they done it yet something they should be doing it does kinda question
should be things that come up in your mind
on and then again threadgill I didn't wanna know that the National ***
Violence Resource Center hotline that you can call
on as well as on the
he okay website state domestic
on violent resource that you click on your safety
it'll tell you what resources are available in your locality to refer
potential victims you this is Kate Murphy can I come in here for just a
second
tour I'm we had a circuit that come up not in doubt about it
actual of an area away with it a general
workplace violated on scenario where the employee
acting goes out there denver somewhere on
you know the employee had a history of violence that there were documented and
made threats against the provider in team leader
and I it company employees there when
and reported to the Federal Protective Services
and they were on they were told by the
that he asked to go get restraining orders
and that they did that they went to court the Court issued the restraining
orders
but the employees paid with it paid for it with their own money
and then they were seeking reimbursement the question came to us from
and appropriations standpoint I
as to whether or not you could pay for that
you basically reimbursing employees you know for that the filing fees and
whatnot
for obtaining the it restraining order
on and you know with the baby crying
starting point is moved to the Hive a restraining order would be a personal
expand
on and not be available for to be funded by appropriating money
on it K you did the department
and certainly in the Occupational Safety and Health Act
I every possible to participate the employment free from recognized hazards
likely to cause death or serious physical harm to employees
on that's what we relied upon to basically say
a restraining order or something like that could be paid for by the department
to the extent that we could really establish the lane
to the workplace here without fear %uh because %uh the former employee
and right for me supervisors and team leaders
on so and just throwing that out there
it in what we didn't do anything formally with an after-the-fact thing we
and but it we we worked with GA 01 at an ATM to buy the an hour
this no field along those lines
on might be available to you but you don't they just want to make sure that
that you you from the identified the link to the workplace
if you are going to pay for something on
using military turned in the civilian world that way
would be helpful to protect your employees
thank you your
straight financial relationship to the next speaker
anywhere AT walker any
came to it family government and ready
that he's got a little bit but he didn't look at any unwanted title of body yet
here with us here specializing in our personnel are
labor and you know employment union matters
and read it before and after that RJ
chant he's ready when you are he read our minds law
working on wind for
now lot along with look at it again in an agreement
article didn't ordinary and he can kill
Colorado 17 Judicial District where he worked
I judicial law clerk to the Honorable Robert now teach in your district judge
collection champ and including
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any did in here with for not and she
were Plano you know
for it for ESPN PB
and any previously worked 2100 US Postal Service
sold love and knowledge there anti-military
and great great thanks
thanks right now um we have a number of cases to go over today
in and kinda short period of time so we're probably gonna go a little faster
than
we originally anticipated but wanna get started because there's a couple cases
that
in the year old rules for this last year so that
kinda addressed a what's called mixed-mode
doing it makes more banal in cases so we kinda want you
phone looked ever go on
wanna try to describe a little bit about Nick motive
and and how it really some other cases
basically what it is each Umicore
cases where you have discriminatory conduct
and non-discriminatory or non illegal reasons for taking whatever action
that was taken so I'll
up and so there's a laundry list the items summer
summer lawful summer unlawful and what are you doing that certain situation
and case what kinda developed it at least for the
each related discrimination cases
on where where they looked at it and
in the chest really between as long as
you would have taken the conduct anyway despite
did non-discriminatory reasons then you were
generally considered okay %uh no word
to vote for analysis so I'll
for the be discriminatory conduct with the agency is still have taken the same
action and so that
that was kinda became a test for each related cases but
for all the other classes I'll I'll protected classes
a the test was still whether or not the action was
a with the motivating factor so whether or not to
discrimination all that was a motivating factor then
the the agency was still liable and
and so there's been a couple cases that have really it kinda touched on that
and that's really where we kinda get into our
first case I'll
stereo salt the first case that we want to talk about his
the Roy overseas department veteran affairs and Brawley cases we have
citations with for anyone who's interested in looking them up
but basically what we had here was the a
76 year old male Hispanic a
who also had some some disabilities
with the non-selection case and
all the claims were dismissed in that case except for the %eh
related claims and
what the Commission found here was that there was some direct evidence that
age discrimination there was some some
testimony that supervisor ed said the person with dual
a and wanted someone around for a long time
I and it was a some some type of comment to the effect that this person should
enjoy your retirement
on but there are also some legitimate reasons for non selecting
this individual and
the Commission noted that in the private sector BAE
requires up but your test for the
a for each claims up with the
the Commission noted that there's another section PDA that uses much more
broader language
related to the federal sector in it specifically uses the language
the actions will be free from any discrimination
and so that the the the Commission
I interpreted as much more broad so basically what they determine what that
you need
basic cages up at least in the federal sector
you still have to use your mix motel
states are naked then is is about the next couple days is actually are
race-based discrimination claims in in some issues that come up there
first one is brown versus US Postal Service
here we had an african-american woman a
who claimed a hostile work environment due to the return
I'll be worker a coworker to her workplace
and what happened here would the coworker
I had been actually fired for
possessing racist material
other person in the workplace
and it didn't go into any specifics as to what they were but it must have been
at least sufficient enough to war termination of this
this person however the colour
remember while the co worker who was fired filed a grievance
over her termination actually won
%uh and partner that she was required to be reinstated
so the agency up
brought her back to work and a as a result the
the original person who was
a believe that this person was creating a hostile work environment
%uh sued the agency and
and one and and basically the
the commission said a in these types of situations
the the agency still have to consider the FX
love up this person on the other people in the workplace and can't just rely on
the fact that
the the the grievance procedure required them to put her back
in into the workplace should have been some other
up consideration the agency did
I and putting it back together so that's why was
a liability ultimately determined
on the next page is the broomfield
verses Department of Treasury case and
the cases interesting from the perspective that
%uh sometimes you see some cases that are just so
bad factually that a
the the agency is almost doomed and in this particular case
I the II don't see how E
%uh who is actually became kinda totality of the circumstances Kevin L
up because the number of incidences and
basically what we had here was an african-american police officer
he'd been suspended for two days for for refusing to wear a gas mask or
for not wearing his gas mask after he had been order to
during an incident that up
there was some kinda security incident where a
people one police force will require two to put on
gas mask with the way
the Commission look at the case in
and initially the the the claims were dismissed because
the a individual incidents that were
or cited were looked at I guess you know kinda individually under the microscope
in
can determine that i think i neva wanna bases in
they work a that harmful however
when when the Commission took a step back and look at the totality of the
circumstances
they found that the situation is really much more
grievous then what kinda appeared initially in
and you were the with a statement allocate other read this paragraph
because I think it really kinda
captures what took place to the EEOC found at the agency
subjected the officer to racially hostile work environment
jokes were made about all rock all Summa
unquote and after after a hurricane
several workers commented that they should hunt down looters were black
coworkers also me rude.com remarks
about female officers biracial child and commented that the officer
with the father the officer said the coworkers read your resistance and
diversity training
also the officer said that he heard about the chief using a racial slur
the EU feed number in gravity of the incident
and that backed the evil posters were openly debated in the work environment
undermine the agency's argument its officials were unaware of the racially
charged atmosphere
after reading a paragraph like that a case like this
I find shocking that even made it to this level
up but you can see I'll how kind of just a snowball effect of
up a number of different incident incidents good
up ultimately reach the level
pervasiveness and in creating a hostile work environment
I'll okay the next case then also
a race discrimination case
and but this isn't a federal sector case
a what happened here what we had a an african-american
female workers who work in the catering division at this
University and basically
she felt that she had been intimidated by another
coworker in the cafeteria who had been
a kind of bullying her in and
making a our faces and even declaring looks and that sort of thing
I'll and ultimately the university did take action against this person who was
who is taking the bowling activity but a apparently it wasn't sufficiently
continue until the
the employee sued and I'll
what is important in any case was whether or not
the the person who is acting hot style or
or discriminating in against the other person was in a supervisory position
iron the case of basically said the agency is liable
for the actions of a supervisor I'll
but in this case the the question was is this other person there is
coworker a supervisor for purposes of the EEOC
an EEOC had a head implemented a fairly broad
view was supervisor was basically they said as long as the
employees had the ability to direct some level
labor effort up the other employees then there's
a supervisor relationship so it would be like I a team leader or something like
that
I'll would trigger the supervisor status however
the pic dedicated actually Supreme Court decision
%uh and as a prank or basically said the EEOC had taken
%uh too broad you and that
taking that kind of love you would basically subject every case to
to a hearing because you'd never be able to determine
without a question of fact that a specific person was
a supervisor or not you know you could always have to get into the question
about what level of control they actually had
so you'd never be able to get rid of the kids on motion for example
um but what the supreme court said was no
a more narrow porches is more appropriate and that
so that would be this I will test was or the test should be
that arm it as long as are that the
the quarter would have to have the ability to to effect a significant
change
in the status up the other employees not hire
fire feel to promote that sort of thing
up so it's a it's a much more clear standard at least in the eyes to the
supreme court and that
that's why they went with that so that kinda that the peace to pull out here
I guess the the other the other pieces also know is
that the the agency even if the the co worker was not a supervisor the agency's
doping ultimately be liable
if they negligently failed to deal with a coworker who was
who is a the source of the harassment
alone okay the next case then
is up games versus the postal service in this is the
national origin %uh and retries
clean I'll and in this case really kinda shows you
how little evidence can really be needed to do to survive it leads to the point
where you can get a hearing
and a in this case we had a a woman who was from India
%uh who so he was claiming national origin and race
a discrimination and the
really the solo piece of evidence that the
the Commission kept this case to live on was a statement from the supervisor who
said
I'll quote you have to go there after launch
don't you understand English and so that
that hurt were being questioned about her ability to understand English
I'll was enough at least in the minds of the Commission
to say that she stated a claim
and all again ultraviolet a clear indication there
being sufficient to state a claim and big are allowed to get past the summary
judgment stage
me we have to go to a hearing so it doesn't necessarily mean it when the
cage
it just means that now we have to go to hearing so now we're going to be subject
to at least some costs and so we should be considering settlement
on so that that's basically what happened there
I love them the next case
is female singers
the Postal Service a good deal with the postal service is pretty busy last year
with the
eel claims I'll so anyway this
this next one is actually a room religion or religious discrimination
case
in gets into what kind of accommodation you have to make
%uh if somebody is asking for or
letting you know that they have religious restrictions
on this particular complain it was a letter carrier
and he said that he could work on Saturdays due to the Sabbath
and be post office rejected the
outright accommodation ok having him not work any Saturdays because
they claimed that he had an Evo you with the union that required
that %uh sir they'd be required rotation
were on Saturday so that all the letter carriers would be required to work
at least on Saturday and
I'll the agency did accommodate most
Saturday's through other means by
by granting him leave by swapping
ships doing some other things up but what they want
they didn't give him every Saturday of he still did at
work occasionally on Saturdays and
basically the rule that the quarter the EEOC a
came down with what that %uh
agencies are required to accommodate
a these types of situations unless
it cause an undue hardship to the agency so it's free
pretty high level %uh that few me that the happy
to me in order to a good avoiding the accommodation
in fact the the commission said the agency actually had the
up for into to facilitate
finding accommodation with the employees
and that would include things like he lateral transfers and changes the job
assignments if necessary
and I really do this now to be much more in line with
I'll the going through the interactive process
for a disabilities so I i think those are
much more closer together now as far as
what kind of obligations that the agency's gonna have to do
a 42 comedy a religious restrictions
arm see the next case is
recovers the postal service again you can see there still busy
in this this gets into up *** harassment
and and time and really more
the unique approaches *** harassment now
bit a *** orientation
and things like that have really become more commonplace are or at least more
open in the workplace in the issues
at head have to pay a lot more now
I'll spree case involved a male who was
with openly gay too although his his coworkers
and I in this particular case
eat complained that the coworkers had made
up %um derogatory comments about him
alone and in the first
the the the claim was initially
kinda structured so that it looked like it was
I'll Campbell one-time occurrence or at least not
he and I'm going in pervasive activities so
up *** orientation is not
wanted to protect the classes under title 7
arm and so the
the court had to look to see whether or not that many of the other
up protected class discrimination
likes it scenarios so
I am third so initially was dismissed but
they're done it was reversed because there was some testimony that the
comments about this particular individual
were ongoing and pervasive and not just
a a one-time incident so that then created are factual dispute which
a lot about this particular case to survive summary judgment state
up molded
and it preceded the hearing and
basically what the the commission said was welded the evidence of these
ongoing comments being made could
represent a pattern %uh that would be severe enough
to and pervasive enough to to reach the level of *** harassment
and so that's why it was a question of fact they had to actually
take testimony on that particular issue alone
so again in another case that was not able to be resolved summary judgment low
around the neck cage is another interesting case that
the kitchen to you the *** orientation
discrimination harassment I issues and %uh
this particular case though he there was a
use them male I'll Andy
he was claiming that he was up being discriminated against on
based on *** orientation or at least is perceived *** orientation
as a gay man and Sony
in this particular case I number of his coworkers or at least with testimony
that number up
his coworkers at at openly called him gay and used other
up very insensitive *** type epithets
up against him in the workplace and
a it but again the problem was that you
*** orientation is not want to protect the classes however here
I'll the Commission recognized that these types of
upwards and habitat are often used
to expressed the belief that a male is not masculine
%uh in other words it's more the sex stereotyping
then sex Korean *** orientation tight
up interpretation and so
and looking at Andy's and the sex
stereotyping cases bended knee
the the criteria for a sex harassment
%uh case and so this one
again with able to go through past summary judgment
stage and this is again and probably another
where the totality of the circumstances really
I think all push the Commission into
finding a way to hold the agency liable because the facts were so bad I was read
will be here from what took place in your understand is
coworkers repeatedly called in Boulder sex-based at that
and his gun bag will be faced with offenses sex base learners
also sexually explicit gay and lesbian magazine for letting agency
vehicles with agent would find them the deal he said
close temporal proximity but the events made unlikely the magazines were
coincident more likely than not they were further harassment because the
collar workers believe
he did not conform to their gender-based stereotypes
masculinity the record also supported the agency allegation that he was called
retaliatory names
supervisor said he treated 3 the aged differently after he learned to the
agency he'll complain numerous supervisors warned the employees to be
careful around needed because if the EU activity
any also losses he was also awesome side but you provide
coworkers and was subjected to more strict scrutiny by supervisors
all things you together
screen discrimination and harassment
and in this particular case he would he was
he was claiming *** orientation although
the quarterly Commission properly a
re categorized this the sex stereotyping
case and and that's why that was live believe ultimately
on the
next couple cases I have here are
are again stonewalling sex discrimination
and a the first the first one again is
another *** orientation type cases
that the Commission looked at and repair or I'd
the sex discrimination case up here we had a
female who was known to be a lesbian in the workplace
and she had been promoted to supervisor status
and they wanted some point during her probationary period she was counseled by
her supervisor
because she had been taking breaks and had been seen
having lunch with another female in the workplace who was also known to be a
lesbian
and this particular supervisor believe that created an improper perception
among the employees in the workplace and that was why she had been counseled
the only now for this purpose person then
also received three other letters a counseling and a letter O
a reprimand for other reasons %uh
legitimate reasons %uh and she also had been
actually propose for removal as a supervisor and then
that's when she filed a claim on
and the the commission said that this is properly
know she's she's finally *** orientation discrimination claim that
this is really a properly
a sex discrimination claim under the sex stereotyping
scary because this particular supervisor
in her in his comments it left the impression that he believed
that it was a at least inappropriate or
the you her acting outside of the
the typical stereotype email apparently
I so that's why his comments were clearly I think
in line with with that type of analysis and that's why
I love the Commission up upheld the plane
on the last case that I am going to discuss this morning is
the the of versus Department of Interior and I thought it would be good
that I at least ended my segment pages on a good note
a this this particular case involves
female who was not selected
for for two different positions she applied for with them
the department and a
she any she had been
interviewed by the selecting official but not there was no
channel in place for either one I
and during each interview with for each position the
selecting official Bowl noted that this particular
a complainant I didn't perform very well in the interview in fact she came off
kinda a Rob and a
not like a team player in really almost not interested in getting the job
really more just more interested in getting the promotion
and I'll levy complaints Sudan
said to do is discrimination and
said that her evidence of discrimination want the fact that
she had up up in working
there for twenty years and handle being used
there would have chosen differently the Commission
in again this is another selection caisson so the Commission
noted that in any type cases you can show
discrimination through a disparity in qualifications
but have to it have to be absurdly superior to
the other person in fact there some cases out there that uses
you think what I put before that had to be so obvious that
slap you in the face and I love that language because it
it really hammers home the below
up discrimination I think that had to be shown in this kind occasion just
showing indifference and qualifications or you know she worked eighteen years
she won't work fourteen year so I'm or of ideal that
that not enough and in fact the Commission notes that you number years
alone
is not sufficient and so this is actually case with the easy one because
they did
properly follow procedures and up
there was no other evidence for discriminatory
a mode so that in my case is I think
RG she is in essence of him stuff
like
okay I'm running wilshire runtime: I mean it really came down to it
my presentation here I may be talking about retaliation
which is really neat exclaimed unlike other
cling to discrimination that are based on in here characteristics of the
individual
retaliation find its region employee contact
another big difference as witnesses regarding title seven
that retaliation claims and status the flames were found in different sections
statute and that is what
the big difference that was seized upon by the Supreme Court nurseries cheese
which is that here in Texas Southwestern Medical Center verses
miss our and in this case
basically traditionally when it came to title seven claims
because Asian standard was seem to have a motivating factor causation
standard for both status page and retaliation claims
although the issue never been addressed and the 1991
actually tree which
basically may change due to the Status page portion
the statute but not to the retaliation
fortunate statute and Supreme Court decision that
was that made all the difference I'm so because
the retaliation fashionable that you still had
use the word because instead of motivating factor
that now plaintiff complaint actually had to
show that retaliatory act
action will not happen but for there and taking
opposing it stay
practice or purchased any any CEO process
so the core of the reason that trying to but for standard in retaliation claim
with reduced number filing frivolous claims
I would be considered an actual problem because drastic increased
so that for the next case which was I'd like to know
actually decided before sky
the Nahar case on
in even coffee complaint actually have recreation protected you activity
this even work from the administrative judge water uphill for attorneys
still active and she ended up going to a performance review and
complaint supervisor gave a good performance rating level work
CDX exceed expectations
explain to residents and the performance rating to the chief of staff will review
and approval
but the cheapest effort earned a performance appraisal to the supervisor
stating that it was poorly written swollen not justified by the writing
and schools too high for that please few years of service in a position to the
trainee
after seeing further explanation from the chief staff complaint supervisor
from me
eventually gave that complain from training 3
the chief staff for so complaint filed a claim
I'm and agency filed a motion for two
out here aging granted the motion
and founded the company know that chip uses a cane
retaliation reading that the agency had articulated legitimate
not rich discriminatory reasons for lowering the performance
up when he got Commission the Commission numbers finding that
playing at had actually established imitation case
I and then went to determine
continue to be now since and into the
now the burner persuasion shifted to the agency shows legitimate
nondiscriminatory
me returned which they had shown
then wanted burns which back to the complainant
the complaint supervisor
basically demonstrated that the legitimate reasons were actually pre-tax
so at the the mission actually
reversing granted
and been ruled in favor the complaint
on and all those decision came out before and after
I don't do that they will probably would be dissing on
Katrina Autobody are shown to be pretext
in the only thing left is discriminatory conduct further
discriminatory motive which would satisfied but for
causation and also the ticket
want to take away from this case is that
you have too many genuine issue of material fact Commission can conclude
problem more likely than not needed
next case is I'd she me that the US Postal Service
hear the complaint received seventies attention on the chart unsatisfactory
work performance
affiliate work safe manner suspension
due to discussion to the grievance process so the eighties
dismissed the complaint saying that the complaint not actually harmed
now the complete appeal the Commission noted that
it had previously held at a later one reduced to discussion
no longer constituted disciplinary action this not report
that was not a private plane which have a different standard
and the case reprisal standard is whether it's really like me
heater pointed from engaging in protected activity and here they found
it was
I'm exchange still John to the US Postal Service
I'm there's really not much here for the old English
that being burdened with to position
action that's really liking to determine who is engaging in protected activity
all right now we talk about percy retaliating
which are staying my supervisor or manager could have a chilling effect
into your participation in the ER process
basically in the season
in in Leo King James supervisor wonderfully
to complain problem he openly out onto the pros
percy retaliation in the Thomas Crown King
director mentioned during a leadership meeting going to have your complaint
you me personally CNN story family
for a series of family million back in case
a third it combines an oblong
what all but one were not retaliation
on basically with Gateway
any comment discovered in a plea persistent your profits by a little
later
either I V E regulation ever perceived violation
law here comment about trust
on been had round two
winter point
participation in the process apologizing doesn't help
so 3 really take away from retaliation
honesty is well standard for
filing income the to get past the initial
he's pretty well cordesman
pretty much anything
for some purchasing process Supreme Court decision
on a master key me
quite hard actually the prevail claims
I don't know supreme court correctly
100 actually for blossom I think
bill still a person
combined with Holly still other crime but
doesn't have a harder time for them
engine ARJ this is Matt before you move up retaliation with you
share with for any any whatever you want to
sure with the matter phone what what are some
good ideas about what to say or how to respond to an employee who informed you
that if
engaged in protected activity and dignity
me and I i would and honestly
I widget explain to them that they they that
definitely have the right to do so and if they need anymore
any contact information on an office to go to it there
looking up filing I would give a mat and then just move on
I would not recommend dwelling on it referencing and bring it up again
in pewter conversation because it always only pot
this problem
right
we're gonna on here its ability
and you have fight there have been a lot of changes in the type analysis
and that we do I need very indicate that you heard how the age
analysis she have retaliation announces change
and here's another one disability discrimination left and we gave the
presentation
we presented the bottle in case hand and blurred am in PB had actually were
it decision and had made a determination that a mixed mode analysis
doesn't buy and disability discrimination cases under the Ataa
and I'm not gonna leave it at that there if you guys ever wanted this line from a
show me
cases I you have add more information
and be held on the cave in
netscape Italy emerged head
particular one the individual in the mail handler for the postal service
and he alleged discrimination based on disability
in retaliation and wanna be issued but he was complaining about what that a
work schedule would come get next to a bad track
and a hat L flash be which separate limited duty
lifted next to his name it ultimately derp didn't find
that posting the fact that didn't believe it on limited duty which usually
him disability and with a violation of the confidentiality provisions to the
rehab act
and to take away from this particular matter it
do not post do not email do not
cap about your employees and get to the latest added
think we status I am aware that something we've got issues in the office
where at the provider has email the group they fill it with that
today you whatever condition may have
do not do that because we run into problems
I'm would population we have act in the confidentiality clauses in that
situation
we're gonna go on a hill University Department of Interior
and particular case where the hell out of me and technicians additional outlet
fervent he left the hostile work environment based on disability
its ability within 30 prevent military disability for and left
me condition and even clean retaliation
now %uh individual what
%um government quarter then he owned a dog
and the dotted tended to escape from the quarter
and relieve him now all over the hatchery grounds where the individual
working
yeah I'm on would-be relieving himself in the house
in the provider is becoming very frustrated with their
and so he ended up sleeping feces that he had stepped over multiple times
and which gets pounded the entry in the hatchery ground
he planted on the complete care Jan
the complaint claiming that you know he did it based on his disability animal
tribal
and the what ended up happening AT&T that
no be am in particular situation
the the provider didn't pay he didn't like it one day and did the wrong thing
it was not in any way to harass the complainant I would simply
angry at the moment about him not cleaning up after his dog
made a bad choice and he agreed with him that he did make a very important right
but he they found at Goodwill not discrimination it was not based on the
individual disability and actually found
the complete with not a disabled individual because they did not provide
the appropriate medical documentation
Jim dating the United 30 percent disability and
from the military it did not
and okay and he actually won ninety
now the why shouldn't be a cape and I think you're going to get a little bit
more detail
because I think it quite relevant right now it's about how we work
and that particular case the individual work at the Chiefs you the high level
manager to be a
and he was born with congenital hip display to
and her ability to walk with severely impaired in I would gradually
getting worse still he underwent hip-replacement surgery
he asked for hello work Eddie
temporary accommodation together through the recovery the surgery and ultimately
asked for eight
prominent homework accommodation to permitted her with her disability to get
your work done
the first line the provider hope to complete it fill out the telework form
but the picket line the providers the one who actually did not hide the
telework request
be effectively people rightly stated that he did not believe
any service keep should work from home under any circumstances
he believed there had to be debate supervision with her deportment
in Cleve that it wouldn't send you a bunch in her position
Ende if he did not agree with that and
stated at the AT&T did not hurt properly purchase repeatedly interactive process
it down and that that they did
not really comedy individual
the ERP stated that it can be a reasonable accommodation to modify it
might make it work policy when it is needed
advocated by an individual get to Billy related limitation
okay it really did coming up a lot we get a lot
retaliated telework at it is right now to get me very cautious
you cannot just say it when I get no nobody told what we can do and you do
you really need is individually assessed the situation
the next decade it John Kane and
get a good look you don't want to go into did specific back some that
particular matter
the takeaway is that and sometimes restriction
change throughout say time frame a weenie if needed we need to make sure
that we are
properly accommodating we didn't get to meet medical researchers
change spineta
cases remain okay scant
fine I actually find quite important
the the individual with the senior correctional officer
I'm for might be even get Federal Correctional Complex in North Carolina
he had a disability a back in here and
and and in this particular case
the fun the individual providing medical information because he had it back
injury
and the there was conflicting medical and business leaders here
it for additional medical it was back and forth to gather even the cat a lot
of medical information
the complainant had a union representative adapt to meet with the
warden
in the HR Manager in the EO camp learn in particular case
it when they were in that meeting in the complaint
happy about it medical documentation HR Manager replied that it would be
address action file me each our department
and the Dundee 8 a.m. Commission affirmed
it was a direct violation at the Rehabilitation Act by placing completed
medical record
in the human resource department actually I'll
that be even know the half protection for health are restricted written up
I'll
he would not separated by medical information
it was a direct violation at the rehab act
it should be noted that even though no one else actually started individual
medical ingredient didn't matter
for it we hey the department very very bad at
separating individual medical information from the rested their case
probably
strongly recommend that everyone including a treat or giving in
I unemployment matter separate that medical information
to protect a bit up immediately
about men que the next one is away
basically night after that it'll be related question during the daring crop
that
and I might add that in the violation in you cannot do that
David K
at the invitation to lead that we did ATL the investigator
game had alleged disability discrimination in the investigator apt
it be witnesses including his coworkers specific question
up its ability any claim that was a paid
perky by later the Rehabilitation Act anyway not
the court said that the agency have to be cannot be reasonable accommodation
and
happy about the matter with the prof and the last one
yet g'night and actually the fact that particular case
aren't all that interesting and most important part about this particular
case the long hate
invaded actually framework to analyze
Agena genetic information non-discrimination Act clean
and if you ever get a dedicated to be the one to look at
on to make your argument and handful escaped
I have for the day a question threatened again
done I wanna happen at the calendar here
strength I want to thank you guys for
patient be a question they were actually me
safe because think simply and
the on my Chinese Traditional Chinese to helped something
before everybody dreamed of I have one question hugh have the initial
are be G at me
okay okay that hurdle okay alright attorney Mark everybody dependent
my all contact can't
okay thank you thank everybody for precipitating thank God
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