John Amato of Crooks And Liars - Over the cliff

charts o_j_ peter and i think that's for you guys john tomatoes here in studio arrows and era john is of course a powder crack some wires dot com hello largest parece websites in the world uh... and actually play bernier clips earlier in the shop so we were going to awesome and uh... tells a lot of the author of a new book over the cliff how obama's election trovit american right insane as upon book is upon book now john talk to me how to how do we know they've got to do we have a number whereas we have what what what happens you know i mean first of all that one of the most basic things we can do is look at our eyes okay and what do we see what has taken place that you know we have to remind the audience business in a book about obama's policies white so it's not about ok of do we agree with his legislative battles how do we feel about this and that is it's all about the reaction of the right to obama's election and you know with the sudden well poverty said okay but i would like up to two weeks after obama's election over two hundred hate crimes arsons birdies that happened across the country and that it never happened before and when you're talking about on on the day that obama's elected where there's a historic moment for the country whether right left when you look at it in the fabric of our country elected african-american president was to start and all that night they word i believe it was in staten island for guys was so upset that a black man was elected they drove in their car they want to kill a black man in the they had they are created for expo violence then they finally ran into a guy and try to run them over first of all there was so stupid that they did even in african-american inc thank god but you know and you had unique media reactions at like barely you baylor university our people were writing signs of the n_-word it was pervasive when obama was elected and you know there's a it's interesting that the you would think you may be u department of homeland security or some of these other groups would really track he crimes you know from the battle we had even getting hate crimes bill passed that it's still sketchy on how much evidence is out there but they have but the dug up from our postdoc in their whole organization we did a wonderful job tracking it but tissue likeness up just by looking at what was going on you can see with viral reaction i i i corning it's actually not in the book because it was so immersed in it but i called it with less politics and because what we saw because what we saw a to his election immediately you know thomas frank it is great books and is that i've been a while what's the matter of kansas and the wrecking crew and others he talked about that that backlash pals and that the conservative movement is based on backlash so with ever happening they just complained about it okay and it it's a ongoing thing in these being the victim as one of their prime hill choice menu items right near always victimized they could have george bush can be in office they can have the senate they could have a house at they're still victims so he could describe it as backlash politics well for me when obama was elected it was sold so over the top of the yearly it was like i have and i was in a car accident and i got went black so i called this whole re-entry at responsible blast politics and it's it so evident you know it's been said it's not a hard case to make right now of course we always had hate crimes is just a one at this level i'd exact did take up significantly is the southern poverty law center explains as you've got in the book et cetera as soon as allah's like that and it's not there does over the cliff very night as i get it out banca out it's not just you know in places that you might suspect me you're from new york omega those crazy guys they did in staten island exactly right and so it's happening all over the country i'm you know it's not just based and what we would think maybe it's the cell but this this hatred went went nationwide what do you think was driving that would suggest that obama got elected andy's african-american or or do you think sula conservative media draw growth brightwell that you know for me the conservative media movement conservatives in his realtor call them on began riding this along with the day's michael uptodate dot org wrote a book previous nabisco be eliminations and he describes how this illumination is talk is is constantly transmitted through right wing media uh... lightweight and we're talking about the m radio twenty four seven any dial you go on holiday trip foxtons but just talking about the publications which is massive and the wave are mainstream media has been beaten up to two decades it's almost like if you're a conservative europeans say enright anything and get hired on c_n_n_ to be a political okay eckardt self so i made the guy or at your personal happy pple bed he's supposedly held at the standard that he should be on c_n_n_ debating other people rationally minded but i am eso with this media it just think about it after you i was in power com and the country was in chaos it was so bad i mean they were actual we we discuss militia movements in the book quite thoroughly and undp just they were actual militia movements that would gathering outside washington d_c_ i believe it was world war one veterans was so upset because some of their benefits we're going to be cut and bob can you imagine if there was all hundred and fifty four the continents now or a five thousand and it was transmitted twenty four-hours-a-day for this country of hell together and and that's why i say that this is a important moment in time for the liberal elitists all right but also you know the people want to call themselves traditionalists because they are refusing to acknowledge the what's happening with armenia structure and how it's being transmitted to the tea party movement so couple things there one you know accident my sampling on eric erickson let me tell you i think if they put on people from was able able bodies for disease from the conservancy right and the people in a little biosphere has arabia's you know uh... in sydney areas erica that's right but they gets here because of what you're saying for two two days maybe three day visit to beat up so your by survives liberally biased so that ironically there are many levels bachlorette party certainly any strong liberal voices right where they pick their own brands they watch the belly buddies until sort of people that are the third lehrer you know it's its it's very frustrating to watch up on many liberals on t_v_ who seemed to not be afraid to mix it up i'm meant to go in there you know this is what we believe and but i wonder at this moment in time you know are the big leagues in the media people who make the decisions all they actually afraid of the violence that they soar and the outrageousness reactions in the town halls in august are they afraid to actually confront them and then put on strong group progressives on t_v_ to show a different point of view i i i kinda get i kinda feel really you know some people been scared by what's happened that's interesting i'm probably guess not that i don't think they think it's at that level might understand senior my guess is that they just being conditioned to believe that they are liberally biased right ended so they're ever their freedom losing their jobs if someone the justice caustic criticism of them as liberally by-sa cetera so they shy away from it and they know that they're not going to get attack from the left in the same kind of way they're never going to lose their job for not putting a liberal exactly so that that's part of the property generally speaking at center at saint right so but your in other segue made his father and we're trying to judge and of course is that the other and editor of group someone's largest progress websites and also the co-author with did not work of platter right except that it had a pop of over the clip how obama's election to the american right it's a initiative my guy well if they're what if there were more than one father coughlin so if there were five or ten or twenty or fifteen hundred of them as today there are many turn-on radio stations all across country you've got conservatives saying the most unbelievable things on the radio and poisoning the atmosphere that way but what what does that we don't you think that directly at least of i'll i'll absolutely i mean if we would have taken the time the whole book could have been if winter just those two hundred incidents we have a full books okay and and and one of the biggest wetsuit a couple of months after all but was elected doctor tiller was murdered just just think about that you know there's a safari terry in st that that is pervasive in the right wing movement they might have they might hate bob you know any type of of birth control and than any other type of measure like that but when they don't have the top office they get really you know stirred up even though the law they go well crystal at abortion clinics as soon as all bomber came into office he was murdered by scott wrote that's not a coincidence we had bridgeable plows the in pittsburgh he killed three police officers because use of blood that bad people with their own storefront right which is a racist website he uh... was around paul follower and this whole meaning and and europe listeners and readers and end you as you know this whole thing that obama's going to take our guts so this is what he was afraid of the was out of work then executed to be police officers and you know this violence it also for the most part is directed at war for us and you know it's it's if this book is also a strong message because which i really look out for them who gets targeted when we look at the retiree militia movement they were planning on executing policemen then one of the latest ones and here's a big problem anything with the media is that there is to cover these acts of violence but we had up in the bay area blob byron williams and the guy was dressed in full body armor practically and he has issued at this verdict by police well why did that happen what was his beliefs winter to get this from and and were obviously he's been influenced by the conservative noise machine and the most studying licenses studying but with the most evidence is that uh... beans and baby lee acted sin down south where he actually went into a church and killed three people lvd bernie goldberg's book about helping out with a hundred liberals i hate the most and he wanted to kill liberals he wrote his own manifesto where you believe that liberals were disease if u watch glenn back at all of i've actually been targeted by glenn beck and called a parasite so i guess you know i i feel pretty good about that but he took notice but when they use that type of thing when they call us parasites the the in the minds and it does affect your your crazier people filters down hard working class people have a story to tell you a little bit that happens today that's really freaky we have direct evidence that these people are influenced and murdering people what i want to ask mainstream media's how many deaths does it take return back ripening i was watching gaidar howard kurtz panel i i i like reliable sources because whether i disagree with with was on or agree i cannot i like to show 'cause it talks about so the media issues that we had our and yet on alpha somebody from u_s_a_ today but i'm sure aka get corrected then they were asking the same question bidding leader done write-up you know at at bob's administration nor did she say this stuff the foxes extremist so that when there was violence they could fall back on and i said like we mean when you know the fact that prompted to lose merit it doesn't it seem like it could lead to placed into the mainstream media see that's really interesting because when doctor tiller was murdered by scott rotor i'd call scott ritter domestic terrorist because i could buy me nothing could meet the definition more here's a guy who would literally want to terrorize the pro-choice community anne does it by killing innocent civilians soaked uh... and a prominent civilian that was a figurehead to know that that crazy operation rescue base absolutely wasn't just any citizen by end it started events at the end of the same thing goes along with you know they get a bit there the olympics palmer who put it we will also did abortion bob exceeded bombing in birmingham and and in georgia as well and what was he was a domestic terrorists but we never called them domestic terrorists why don't we call them paris and i thought you know it's it's frustrating any goes through support your mentee and then unless you're we've covered up like i think at this point does is a story here's a guy in florida who shot a bunch of cops i thought they were coming after his conduct anti-buchanan that and it just barely za blip on the radar and partly cuz i think they're afraid to tell this story they're afraid to tell the story of hey you know what some conservatives are driven over the top by this propaganda and they do this and it's not a coincidence right it's eight-member now having said that oak to all these questions will first let me start with this one what do you know about army dot first amendment nothing to do about it in that in that way will be getting their act well you know when you get hard-line you know i've missed this question a lot near which we can do in book tour if you want to engage okay with with people that are so hardened i mean if we have time but i have to tell you the story which we do come to the airport but you can't if u which actually need is documentation actual fax but yeah i believe that these people is a little vocal bleed damaged insets that done they will never change their mind and i believe oakdale authors its tactic of his name but he did it wasn't the boston globe i believe in boston dot com where you where they did a study on right and left thinking people and if you are if the let's say they put out they give you a test tube ten things that you believed to be true and then they checked the mark this is true distributes is true well one thing was untrue and if they showed you the evidence on the left or the liberal left the liberals were more open to arguments to on valid eight their points but on the right wing not only did they fight the evidence that they believe more strongly in what their point of view was and ending letters at latimes but he does constantly polite that you say okay i my wasting my time but you know you can at you know you you can argue etc just half facts un into back up what you can add and we obviously we have to highlight this constantly uh... and as you know wit were so it's getting really i believe dangers in this country that we're so it's so mission mister whistle endure i said i say it there's so much right wing media compared to the left wing side that it's overwhelming the country now in its getting scarier i mean just think but how how did we feel when john kerry loss i mean there was a pretty we went down but especially in the early returns with that all that the uh... you know there's a paul's looks like he's waiting trying to have been rogers guitar on the radio are people to keep voting and we will real depressed well if obama wins re-election in two thousand twelve and we're not talking elective politics here which we could but that's not what the point of the book isn't over the cliff that depression scares me because i see a lot of people not be able to deal with that reject i won't argue whether first well i i agree with your profit plan which is why speech was more speech that you have to let people know what's going on so we can begin to understand the scope of the problem how to dress up on the senate office building we have to build our own infrastructure that's obvious what you're doing your by the rat now and of course you are with personalize it as well so now but that's the uh... the question i want to get there which is i think more dangerous if they lose elections because if you feel like hey you know what opm we can't we can't wait any more word uh... outgunned either ideologically demographically whatever it might be then did they go to the malcolm x_ ideology of white any means necessary which is a little fair that i don't know that i'm out of every other way but but that that's what people could die so i think a right so they they by any means necessary if i can commit scott wrote or not uh... absurd doctor not to do these abortion i want to kill if i can convince it you know these liberals in the structures the guy in tennessee thought tonight due to somebody killed political right so i think more dangerous if they are almost a part of minority where they can winnow out lockup absolutely because of on the rightwing side there is a supportive street where they believe that the president is a office of power and that they believe in that military structure bhalo of leadership at their core and because look how many ex-military officers you know that's a military as a private untidy for these militia groups too because you when you're trying to recruit active people would have military experience right which will that help you'll get more people into your own militia group but they are it it leads to that point where r definitely has this of of that by peers uh... today okay i made a mistake my car needs an oil change okay and i said you know let me get it there's been two months i i've been dealing injury it's it's uh... i don't like i couldn't go out for a couple of weeks so i just tried its around the corner job of my car and i'm talking to the guy and he's an older guy is israeli added all use nice before and as he's writing me up we've got fox news on so i just goof around if they are you know you have the you know i do parkside i was just like being nice he basically inform i'd look customers was screaming that unions have destroyed this country that these five hundred now i'll i'll let you know we can be a little explicit but these are these five hundred and dollar-an-hour fat *** sitting behind him collecting checks are destroying this country mary cancer and anyway and started to give me your buckle bomber hussein you know of brock hussein told bob that yes we did you see is backed up and i get freaking out now this is a business owner and and i'm out of the straight off the point a little bit white-owned et seq it was shocking to me because i'm just trying to have a discussion like just any of the person off hand gel but this is help program normal we would say average businesspeople and the guy like he could be the right up my water briseno and it wasn't is amazing that um... i mean i'm going to do a post about it then what i was daddy's i printed up above the acid it just his birth certificate and i said yes and everything else okay this is a guy i have a good year you owns a gun you're tired dealers i hear you you know we're way over to our list i had a squeeze in one quick question are you got now the right wing will say well how about that this coverage you you know i'd hear et al gore's book is not the same thing right well obviously not because you can get on a regular partly glenn reynolds piece also on on those james lee one he was the discovery channel suitor and he was upset right by the like a huge he was like an extermination is almost whatever exterminate the population but remember he made reference t al gore slightly but like in any of al gore's rhetoric okay any about gore is if you read his books there is not this we need to change the climate or we should be exterminate the conservative movement you never hear these violent vitriolic on o rhetoric coming out of popular left-wing figures uh... there is nothing in their to incite him now also prime example in his manifesto was about under babies immigration and we must the government must stop this and we must you know and and so when you look at this whole thing he's really just a crazy person every when you're talking about exterminate that people shouldn't live on the planet what what left-wing like rakho o_j_ rubber as as anybody ever talked like that so they say are the harley should as far as i know liberals are not capital iq procurement all right john about his website is gruesome weiss's book is all over the cliff how obama's election to the american right insane charts for joining us we appreciate it alright and we'll be right back