Obamacare...waterloo Or The New Panama Canal for Cons?

but the top of the news is all over the you know all over the country the top the news is this shut down the this government shutdown and the shutdown seems to be provoked by a Obamacare you're basically that republicans the house representative saying if you don't you know take a bite out of the bottle Obamacare we're going to hold the country hostage in maybe take down the economy the planet um it doesn't seem like a really good trade to me and I'm not sure it's a really politically wise move for the republicans but a richard viguerie is one of the most astute observers particularly if the conservative earlier pioneer political direct mail he's the head of conservative a a term have conservative headquarters dot com conservative HQ dot com excuse me and a richard viguerie welcome back to the program always play the witch in town thank you are you wrote a piece about Obamacare be in the new panama canal for conservatives are he can explain yet to come you know was a active very much so back in those days our company up a was doing a lot of marketing for conservative causes and starting around making 75 76 77 the conservative movement we're trying to get bored we really want me know really were pretty small group in this was gonna post nixon now post nixon and really before reagan's presidential races friend course in service experts 75 we were trying to launch the conservative movement and it it s really put us into kinda warp speed the the Panama Canal my own company we may have tens of millions have letters for in opposition to the Gateway the Panama Canal course many mere the groups organizations did the same now if I could just set this up a little bit farther blisters who might be a you know under forty or fifty or sixty or whatever it might not remember on the United States built panama canal a basically owned by lease for what was a hundred years was not exactly yeah and a at the end that hundred years it reverted back to panama that was the lease was just like hong kong reverting back to China after a hundred years a British you know England are Great Britain and wanted during the *** Wars and now it's going back to China the Panama Canal was gonna go back to panama and so I the guys your your guys the Conservatives were sane you know we shouldn't let that happen and it was going to happen right smack dab in the middle Jimmy Carter's presidency we shouldn't give away the Panama Canal and then there were others I was among them who were saying you know why do we wanna hang onto the Panama Canal anyway at its panama's is not nom and and there was a a huge debate about your right babe polarized America and it really helped build the conservative movement go ahead and now also tom is very real possibility that this issue the panama canal issue was the one-issue above maybe everything else that propelled reagan into the white house and concert is where we're not all on board air with get the given been ok and not given the Panama Canal way much as they are divided right now for example bill buckley and ronald reagan debated publicly the giveaway you know bill buckley was on the side of Jimmy Carter on this one here so there was some division among conservatives but the grassroots the back in the mid-seventies just as now they're all pretty much to grassroots pose to Obamacare so it's an issue that discounted service dress ran and a divided republican party then the a howard baker the minority leader there in the senate in you Scott and other establishment Republicans supported Jimmy Carter and get panama canal issue and server similar fight what was going on the mid-seventies what's going on right now and Desi Obamacare issue i think is really if any one issue launched a tea party had think it's fair to say this would have been the issue and is certainly was the number one issue in the republicans victories in 2010 and conservatives are expecting that this will propel them onto more victories in 2014 as fast a it because you know with him we weren't rationalize election concert is a tremendous quickly your we'd almost never when elections in a certain national asset democrats are deliver a services they'll fix your part ok it's a social security check to you et cetera in them republicans are more big picture you know we're stopper give way the Panama Canal protect the the country from the communist era Lauren or whatever thanks and we can national as this election 2014 as we did in 2010 1980 1984 1994 we've got a good chance having a good year electoral to add some very interesting analysis and i don't disagree with that I but me if I can critique it and and please feel free to rebut me on giving way the Panama Canal was really not that big a deal we ultimately gave it away it hasn't heard our nation the Panama Canal still working just fine and in fact a big into to get a new one you know into haiti itself I and and a so it was sorta one of those made up issues and I'd suggest that I you know Minister Mandir and mister macgregor one about something was relatively nothing and I would suggest that this thing around. Obamacare is not that dissimilar I i think there's a probably a better parallel to you know ronald reagan in the in the sixties sending out that mmm 33 LP that the AMA financed on sane that someday america's gonna look back and talk about you know when the land was free before medicare got past him and there is this huge battle by conservatives for Medicare medicare got passes very popular and at that point people it might have brought the conservative movement together for a while but it also fractured them because a lot as conservatives end up going on medicare don't you think that that some more possible outcome in the panama canal was more of an abstraction well Obamacare something you can sign up for Tom I i will. certainly agree with you that you know panama canal issue was not the most important issue to survive a love western civilization but you're always get to choose you know with issues you fight your you people they're they're presented to you so you take a min you make the best of course you can up sometimes and you know other issues on the social issues prayer in school was a big issue back in nineteen sixties it was important but but it was Richard if I could it were I'm super by an iraqi but we only have about a minute have what I want to get the same are it seemed to me that the Tea Party movement most of the anger that was expressed the Tea Party movies people who were really really angry at the banksters brought on this country why don't the Conservatives pick that up and push you know the the you know taft-hartley was a conservative idea you don't push reregulate in the banks well i i kno some the liberals like this think that our anger was at the the big banks yes certainly big banks played a role in our economic problems recently but big plate of far for for greater role and Obamacare is a different issue than anything we've seen come along before because it does tax people it does take from well certainly can transfer it to the elderly sorry medicare so so to social security and and all three were called socialism at the time well there that that may be true but this is one is gonna happen at one point in time you're going to see an enormous amount money taken adding your pocket and transfer to other against your will and I just and also to keep this in mind the media is different there was only a handful of microphones back in the fifties sixties seventies right now with that and there is no Fox News Media we've got my period sell-out her story the way we did before I think you're absolutely right that you agree and and you have Fox News you've got the the right wing echo chamber and and radio going for so it's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out thanks for your insights over the place to come richard viguerie your legendary conservative strategist conservative HQ dot com