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Hi I'm Tom Spencer. This week on Central Texas gardener, bring on the butterflies
with Bill Neiman from Native American Seed.
He serves up the seeds to plant this fall for habitat restoration.
On tour in Temple get a couple's new perspective in their makeover to welcome
wildlife.
Daphne makes her pick of the week and Tricia has your backyard basic tips,
so let's get growing, right here, right now. Support for Central Texas Gardener
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When you move into deer country how do you change your ways?
See how this couple did it in Temple. In Temple, Texas
Mary Lew and David Quesinberry wanted a garden, not a lawn.
They didn't want to seed it all at once flat to mention either.
We moved here in 1998, it was a long
flat narrow lot with
Cedar Elmes and probably about three
Live Oaks. This wasn't their first garden
but when they fell in love with this property they realized the plants they'd
grown in Belton
weren't going to work. We moved here and we saw
these beautiful deer peeking out from the woods
and I just had these huge racks
and we were so excited and we had a herd of 27 deer
when we moved here. Rather than fence out the deer.
they went for plants that usually are safe from nibbling.
We hate fences, so we wanted
a living fence or a screen and so that's what we did
all around the property. We'd have little seedlings come up
of yopauns we just plant them.
Orchid trees come up periodically and we just dig them up and
place them in various places. Rather than be mad at the deer we wanted
the deer to be welcome in the garden. In back
the dimensional view for watching wildlife of all kinds starts near the house.
Its panoramic entrance from the patio or indoors refreshens
even when it's hot. Seasonal changes join perpetual structure.
Musicians tune-up in the shady cove.
When Mary Lew and David saw this group of trees for the first time,
they knew at once that it was the perfect spot for a picnic table.
A nearby shed harbors the tools that are in their hands
every spare minute. A decomposed granite pathway separates the cove from
sunnier gardens.
To frame the property with evergreen and deciduous trees and shrubs
they frame textures and colors with wildlife attraction
all year
Perennials join self-seeding annuals
Moving around the bend they change perspective with the first berm they
built
That garden evolved because there's no water back there
The land back there was just flat, don't like just flat land.
A dry stream to flex crazy rain,
but mainly it simply adds to the charm.
They got help with the largest bolders,
but mostly they hauled them all themselves. The family calls it grandpas garden
but they didn't stop there. We were just going to have one berm back there
and they said well you're not supposed to have
you know, just this one thing back here, lets do three
have three berms. We did it
one rock at a time, one plant at a time, we had no plan.
We just, it was like playing, was
like lets pretend when you were a kid, let's pretend, let's do this this way,
and then the other one will go- yeah, well what if we do this?-
And we just kind of knock ideas off of each other
basically around maybe one plant. What if we,
you know we buy this plant, what are we going to do with it and we don't know
what to do with it
after getting home.
That was all mowed, we did hours and
hours to mow it and said, this is so silly.
Along with habitat and food for wildlife, they make sure there's water too.
Their plants don't need much, but the creatures do.
People ask what do you do about
pest control, you don't need any pest control.
If you have water, you have the birds, the birds take care of everything.
We came back after one night, we have a bird bath back there in the back,
and there was a screech owl
taking a bath at nighttime.
We got a picture of him too, he was so cute.
He just kind of turned around and looked at me, he went back taking his bath.
Your wasps and bees and spiders and everything now
have a purpose, so we know we don't try to kill anything,
except fire ants.
Their newest project in spare time is a pond and waterfall,
as much for the wildlife as for them. We
extended the patio so that a lot of that soil,
rather have them carry it off, we just had them stack it
back there, we'll make a waterfall.
A lot of the inspiration we get
were in the house looking out the windows and go
you know, that seems like the perfect spot to put it,
because we'll enjoy it when were in the house too.
And certainly it's all a wonderland for kids.
My grandchildren love it here,
they just want to come outside all the time.
They love playing out here.
My grandson has a little electric car and he just drives all over the roads.
They're so cute, and I think my little granddaughter's going to be a gardener.
She just loves, it she loves raking;
she just loves working.
In the garden, when they get a little older, were going to put them to work.
In front,
they change the formerly dull dimension with multiple hearts gates
destinations and plants formal and casual.
They didn't banish all the lawn but they did exchange buffalo grass with water
wise palisades asoisa.
Originally we had Buffalo out there, but when they put the grass in there were little
sprigs of bermuda in the dirt. I mentioned that to them and they didn't seem to
mind, the Bermuda just kind of took over the Buffalo.
In an alcove, they didn't swap it with shrubs when they replaced the grass,
instead they made it a cozy viewpoint. When we first moved here we had
grass from the house to the street and
we built beds all around that area to get
rid of the grass; we just thought it looked
prettier. Its just boring just to have, you know, grass from the house to
the street.
We still have little islands of grass, you have to have the grass
to let your eye rest, if its too wild
you get tired.
Antique horse hedges, that they rescued in Temple, mark the entrance from the
sidewalk to the front door.
David and Mary Lew have always been gardeners, but she took a step to become a Bell
County Master Gardener
with encouragement from colleagues at Scott and White hospital.
It's wonderful to be around people that are just so excited about nature and
plants. Sre Mary Lew and David finish?
Oh, probably not. It's just like a painting you just
want to keep making it pretty. Thanks to our friends in temple for sharing their
garden with us. Right now we're going to be talking about wild flower
planting and habitat planting, if you will,
for migrating species and for water conservation. I'm joined by Bill Neiman
from
Native American seed, it's great to have you back on Central Texas gardener.
It is a very good plesure be back, thank you Tom. Well Native American seed is one
of the primary purveyors of so many different native plant seeds here in
Central Texas.
Not just in Central Texas but you're actually probably in the nation right
now.
The southern plains for sure and actually some into northern Mexico.
Alright, so you are providing what I think is probably a pretty hot
commodity right now.
Well I guess every time they pour another yard of concrete,
there are others that realize the value
of what's being lost and the need to put it back like it was.
Right, well put it back like it was is critically important these days because
these are species that are
habituated, or are used to,
the kind of drought experience that Texas is going through right now.
Yes, we haven't used the word here, but I might as well get started, is
called prairie.
And they're really prairies evolved with drought.
And and it's a co-mingling of grass,
fire, drought, and cloven hoofed animals
that made the prairie work. And
there are historic records that go back that show these droughts, in
fact the times that we're in now are actually more normal.
There is some research now coming to light that shows about the last forty
or fifty or sixty years was actually abnormally wet.
People like you and I who grew up thinking that that was normal,
are really being awakened to the to the reality that
this is a prairie and that prairies evolve with drought.
And perhaps what we thought was normal,
was actually abnormal. Right,
and that perhaps we are in a more
normal climate as far as rainfall goes. Its pretty
theres a lot of history that says that long extended periods of drought have been
here before.
Alright, well thats sobering to say the least but
you have an answer for that when you talk about prairie and prairie
restoration because you have been doing this for decades now.
This is our twenty-fifth year. And you've developed how many different kinds of seed
mixes?
Well we have thirty mixtures, some of them as many as fifty two species
that are specific
to solve ecological problems right. And
many of our mixtures we feel are actually
ecosystem in a bag. When you saw
all the fires, for example, in 2011, we developed two
Scorched Earth Recovery mixes
for an eastern one perfect for Bastrop, Bastrop in the
southeast
areas and the west of 35.
The Scorched Earth Recovery make so
these are species that are
a wide range of conditions from Caliche to bottomland soils
they are short annual
wild flowers that advantage by any kind of disturbance on the soil that
would rapidly recover
and re vegetate the land. And also a mixture
of deep rooted warm-season perennials annuals,
perennials warm season and cool season.
So this is the approach that I have found to be the most successful.
And in particular with the subject at hand,
with the butterflies, but not only just butterflies but all of life.
Is all about a holistic approach and
the understanding of the intermingling of the
relationships of the plants
to the animals and even to us the humans.
You talk about the mixtures, seeds, and the deep rootedness of some these
I think it's striking to just talk about one species like liatrus,
which is
one of the premiere forms of wild flowers from the state of Texas
especially in Balcones a suburban area they can have roots 20 feet deep.
These are healing the plants, they are survivor plants, and they
are healing plants.
I have a little quick story about liatris its unbelievable, but
these plants will find their way. They're wind born seeds and they blow in the wind,
but they find disturbed, ruined
piece of land and that's where they want to root up
and thats some of the harshest conditions. Sometimes, in fact, if it's a really rich, lush,
moist soil area, they don't do very well at all.
They will rot, but these are very long-lived, almost prehistoric
looking bulbs if you ever dig one up.
And in our farming operation we have rows and rows and rows, but
as the years go by, some of them actually die out.
Maybe we care for them too much or maybe they just burn out.
And so but this bulb becomes hollowed,
and its real fibrous on the inside, and
mice will come and borrough and make a nest in there in the winter time
and bring seeds of native grasses
into that to recall.
That is how I'm talking about where you
at the system has either holistic approach. Oh that's beautiful.
And now this is the time of year for a lot of folks here in Central Texas to be
thinking about seeding,
so again you've got mixes for just about every different situations sunshade.
East of i35 and deep clay soils or in the caliche all those different things
are there.
What do you recommend to people in terms of prepping
their sites? Well the seeds have to touch the earth,
and so you can't just cast them out there on top a bunch of dried straw or
Leafs
material. And or if the soil is really heavily crusted over or compact,
the seeds will just lay on top and then the first wind or rain will just blow them
away.
So the soil crust needs to be
made somewhat friable, and the seeds need to be able to touch that earth.
And
the rule of thumb is to plant the seed
two times the diameter of the seed is how deep you would plant.
Okay, you take like a lemon mint seed
that is the diameter of this 0.5
millimeter pencil lead, and you put it two times that deep.
Okay alright. So in other words, on the surface
and then just press it down. Okay, got you.
Now one of the reasons why we're talking today,
encouraging people to take this approach, is because
these species, these habitats that you create are so beneficial to migratory
species including the butterflies
and they provide not just food but cover and lots of other things right?
Yeah, sometimes
I get a little bit
I guess, where I wanna say,
if a person can only focus on a blooming flower and
a butterfly landing on it, they're missing the point that
that is a moment in time but the butterfly is alive
and the plant is alive and both of them are changing and their needs are various
and great
so the butterfly needs a place to hide, to sleep,
it needs food, it needs a place for nesting
or for to raise its young, and when the young hatch
they need a certain kind of protection in food
so this is where if you can think in terms of
rebuilding a habitat instead of planning a specific species,
instead build a colony or like a little pocket prairie
that could provide a lot of
needs for the various species. Right, well I love the
bigger picture that you're you're trying to get people to focus on because the
the butterfly and the plants are interdependent in many different ways
and one of the cool things that I've noted in your products now is
that you have the specific blends of
things, theres Sustain the Migration Kit specifically for butterflies
for monarchs and then you have "Butterfly Retreat Mix," now how would those two
be different? Well, let's take the "Sustain the Migration" kit and it is a blend of
three different individual milkweeds and that is for the person that is, yes,
really focused on a monarch
and in fact that little kit contains what is required to do a cold
stratification,
there's actually vermiculite and instructions
and some neoprene rubber gloves so that you can go through
the whole motion's and cold stratify
those seeds, and now let's talk a brief second about that
for the fall planting, that you could put these seed out without going through all
those motions and let the wintertime
cold stratify them and they would sprout next spring
The Butterfly Retreat is numerous species,
perennials, and annuals that provide all of those verious sustinences I mentioned.
Okay and things like the frost weed, gay feather, and all those other things- all those beautiful species
Yes.
Well it's just terrific work that you're doing and I know that
you have created a place out there were people can come and visit, as well,
Native American seed. You're located in Junction, Texas
and people can also find you online and your catalog I have to say
is an amazing resource. Well thank you
we produce two of those per year, this is our twenty-fifth year
so our 50th production is underway right now of this catalog.
Alright well Bill it's a real pleasure to be with you and thank you for the
work that you're doing for all of us-
thank you for spreading the word and coming up next our friend
Daphney.
Hi I'm Daphney Richards. Augie's taking a little time off to vacation with his
doxie cousins, but he'll be back soon.
This week's question is about jalapenos turning red in weather that indicates a
problem with the plant.
Well if you're growing jalapenos for the first time or you've never lost
track of harvesting them
and let them go too long, you may not have noticed that a natural development
of these fruit
is the redening when the actually ripen. Normally we harvest them green
which stops their development, because they're much more tender and tasty at
this stage,
but if left on the vine they do indeed turned red and begin to dry out
the way any seed pod does. Because we're usually interested in eating the flesh
of the pepper,
we don't want it to dry out, so we harvest them green while the flesh is
still nice and juicy
and if allowed to ripen, that valuable flesh begins to dry up and the flavor changes.
You may see red flesh jalapeno sold in the market but more often you won't.
Most red jalapenos are dried, smoked and given a completely new name, chipoltle.
Chipoltle peppers are used in cooking
to provide a unique smokey flavor and not the heat
normally associated with jalapenos. So if your jalapenos are turning red before
you can harvest them,
that's just a sign that you need to eat more jalapenos or that you should
experiment with creating some chipoltles.
Our plant this week is Lindheimer muhly, Muhlenbergia lindheimeri.
This gorgeous ornamental grass is native
only in the Edwards Plateau region of central Texas, but it's become widely
used in the nursery trade and for good reason.
The sharp bluish gray fooliage and seed heads create a striking addition to any
garden.
These perennial ornamentals look especially at home in a xeroscape,
planted with other low water-use plants like Blackfoot
and Copper Canyon daisies. The plant itself only gets two to three feet tall
and wide
but once it's in bloom, the flower spikes can extend to another two to three feet.
Since they fill in quite nicely all the way to the ground, Lindheimers muhly,
also known as Big muhly,
creates a very nice green when planted in a hedgerow.
Big muhly is native to dry prairies and rocky outcrops
but it can tolerate a little extra moisture if rainfall is high
and your soil is a bit heavy. It easily thrives in the full
hot sun with very little water, so once established
you can virtually ignore this plant. The native species have lovely pale green
inflorescences
which are called panicles in grasses. Improved varieties with pale yellow and
even reddish panicles are also available.
One of the most popular is Regal Mist with deep pinkish red flower spikes
that develop in the late summer and add color to the garden in early winter
when most plants are going dormant and their colors fading.
This fine uniquely colored foliage also adds textural
interest to the garden in addition to color. Place Big muhly
in conspicuous areas of the garden, near walkways or in borders
and allow it to shine as a sculptural element all year long.
Out in your garden if you have a St. Augustine lawn, be on the lookout for brown
patch which can develop
when nighttime temperatures begin to cool and relative humidity is high.
It's also time to plant wildflower and other spring flowering plants from
seed.
Cosmo, larkspur, bluebonnets, Mexican blanket and coneflowers should be planted
in the fall.
Be sure regularly water them if rains down arrive.
We'd love to hear from you so please visit us at KLRU.org/ctg
with your questionsand plants from your garden. Thanks Daphney. Now it's check in
with Tricia Shirey.
A lot of gardeners ask me, should I plant this as a seed or should I start with a
transplant?
Well seeds are definitely cheaper, you can always get
a lot more seeds in a packet than
and it's about the same price, usually, as the price of one transplant
and there are a lot of varieties that are available online and in catalogs
that you won't find just anywhere as a transplant.
Some of my favorite cucumbers and some of my favorite peppers are just not available
as transplants, so I need to start those with seeds.
Now something like mosh, I never see that as a transplant, I have to start
that one
from seed. Starting seeds indoors does give us a jump on the season.
We can't really plant tomatoes direct seeded in February, which would be the
time to plant them,
because it's too cold, so we have to start tomatoes as transplants to
get them in the ground and
ready to bloom in March and
broccoli and cauliflower and things like that
in fall, when it's time to plant them, the soil is strictly too hot for those seeds
to germinate so we can put them in a shady location
and get them started. Now things like beans and radishes grow really quickly
and the root hairs are very
easily damaged by transplanting so those are best direct seeded.
The long tap roots of okra and sunflowers can be damaged by
transplanting too so it's usually best to start those directly in the ground
but it is difficult to get seeds to start in warm soil so when it's time for
the fall garden, the soil dries out and crusts really fast so
I'll start cucumber or melons or squash for fall
in a shady location outside so that they can be transplanted in the garden at the
proper time.
You can also plant both ways, sometimes I plant lettuce by seed but also
transplants because those transplants will
provide me with an immediate crop while I'm waiting for the seeds to get going.
You want to start your transplants in an area that's got really good light,
but with good ventilation too. If you have poor ventilation you can often
have
problems with the diseases like damping-off, it's a fungal disease of the seedlings.
You also need to water very gently for your plants that are started indoors.
I like to use a spray mister bottle so that I can give them a very very light
sprinkling of water
and it doesn't form a crust on the soil.
Camomile tea, instead of water, can help with damping-off disease if you do
you have that fungal disease.
Now whether you're growing your own or you're buying plants from a grower, it's
important to harden off transplants before you put them in the garden.
Things that have just come from inside or from a greenhouse are not going to be
adapted to the wind and the sun outdoors
and they will really suffer, so I move mine out
gradually a little bit in the morning and then increase that every day
until they've been out, they have been adjusted to being outside for a week or
ten days before they get directly moved into the garden.
So a combination is really the answer, some things from seed some things from
transplants
and always look at the package for more instructions about that particular
variety because that's going to be a good source of information for you
about how those plants are going to perform
direct or as a transplant. For Backyard Basics, I'm Tricia Shirey.
Thanks for watching. Find out more at KLRU.org/CTG and check out our
blog.
Next week fall into perennials with Hill Country Water Gardens & Nursery.
Until then, I'll see you in the garden. To learn about today's program
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