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welcome back to world view now we've been talking a lot this week
about the impact of climate change and we're going to spend some time now
on something that not many of us is heard much about that this is
unconventional gas mining which is going to be happening
informal coal mines all around the world
this whole scene gasification is a very dangerous procedure
even the CEO you're about to hear from in Australia try to impress investors
had some doubts about it figures now been closed down
I day there was an incident that was that
monitoring will great I won't go into all the details except to say I think
it's highly likely that they did not collude
we went to England just as the English move tomorrow Torian out for you see gay
and we picked up the very picky the if the call
licenses I am a little *** they very
very careful the English on my side it was a
rather since it your way PK since I was born in England
at the Colonials going back and socking it to that
he suddenly realized is that if you depression that cast by lowering the
water table
in the gas will come up hopefully we'll come up through the production halls
and if you see things like gas lands in four corners
some other gas comes up not in the in the halls
you really wanna go dan date well away from
any partner interest to any other person
stay away from avail valuable ako for cake
the pressure in the reaction chamber negative and then all think gas is
stayin
and they galloped the production whole just to have a license is in Scotland
*** efficient to pass out all of Scotland
at its present level of demand for 150 years
now we're going to take a look at this entire process as we look at how the
British government just now in the process of selling
out the coal gas leases underneath the people Scotland
if it wasn't already tension between these two countries with the pending
independence
ok this certainly isn't going to help well folks hang on to your
we're joined now on the program by citizen journalist Mel Kelly
in Scotland she writes for the website open democracy
in there our Kingdom section the mills a business analyst programmer by day and
spends the rest over time
researching into the real stories behind the headlines
and some other findings have been quite scary around something called
you see g-technology her first two papers on the subject 'cause members of
the Scottish Parliament
to ask serious questions have the energy minister Fergus Ewing
over this process which by the way only cause explosions which by the way
are only near the Sellafield nuclear plant
and the Minister announced a consultation at the stiffer regulations
there
but not in England Wales as yet us the importance of %uh speaking today
know Kelly welcome to world view good evening
mill let's start with a layman's definition
of this unconventional coal and gas technology
what is you CG technology and what does it do
basically you see GE is people use the same process
as fracking the thought the chemicals on the water
to tell down into the cold day it's and then once they get to call paired
they will then set the call on fire under grant
create massive cavities to extract the cat
the gas go to a second male and then what happens as
one step on the gas cavities left with toxic waste
the cavities collapse and then the hope that they can store
the massive amounts of co2 and those cavities
so basically we're gonna works have huge explosions
underground but we won't have any other chemicals are any the water
to come back up so what could possibly go away well basically for the claim is
don't use water in the process and the dude the
claim it's the technology safe when in fact will happen lies
the only each I'll resulted in an explosion
but to the British government website tales as that
that I'll to the technology was kissable and what happens is
the ports and 2010 11:12
from the child's in Australia and India
and in america all of those across those continents
caused it cancer-causing chemicals and the groundwater
and then a steely eyed you've got farmers can no longer use tube or
the can't water that the malls because you CT contaminates groundwater
Washington facking so we have a technology that's supposedly drills into
existing in Long bankrupted an abandoned mines
um you know the I'm gonna play devil's advocate here
a and ask why you know why have you
was this problem in these areas have already been mine before is that with
the
government was a they'll bother actually to being is taking
call the previously it was on uneconomic to main
so it's that not been made the toll here in most places
and you're talking about under std's under reverse
and about holds near skin miles from Sellafield
power plant official a you're talking about the fest the fourth in Scotland
1 billion tons of coal have to be pumped
underground so what size the coveted sadly
how much ground water gets contaminated by that process
the the process is so on tested and proven
that the a steely in Queensland Government bandit
just weeks ago because can't figured out how to stop the call from banning it
while the subtle you
I'm a bit flabbergasted hear the argument is we can release the methane
easier through these explosions but the there are so many risks to so many other
parts a
even more so than fracking about it my understanding that correctly
issue I you're talking about it and what ex-c_i_a_
and as an organization knows you CT works they have phone though
that the city untied unproven technology
is to be used in the idea near LinkedIn spy
of which is famous for its clean pure water
and that no coney put at risk by contaminating it
with been seen to lead there's absolutely no way zeal
limit there's no safe limit for benzene once I kissinger
water your date we're talking with bill Kelly citizen journalists to the
based in Scotland here on the world view Dennis Campbell about you see GPS
technology
no mill my understanding is that there are several
Tory benefactors that have obtained licenses for next to nothing and
the licenses will have a unique set built-in
bankruptcy bankruptcy protections for investors against
future environmental claims explain a little bit about how that's gonna work
well basically before you see she gets old it's called want
and and key mpg
those wonderful accountants are going to court and perhaps
David Cameron in Scotland to see that
one company can say a main then you can use accounting text to go bust
another set up today to take over and neither sits at the Ector
at a libel for the cleanup costs or anything else because
case while key mpg told them they could go bankrupt
so I N what happens as we have
a process that none of us knew about it the government didn't consult as they
wanted to get licenses
for the hundred years call supply that belong to the British nation
and a former Tory Party final teaser
has been an after cutting coal mining for GS
just happens to walk back into the country when the coalition comes to
power
set up a company unloaded is being hunted licenses
in Scotland wheels and England for billions of tons of coal
and basically the he claims that
eat has company expects not one of these companies get my license
have after what to CT technology
has only one plant somewhere in the adult
it's banned in Australia but you look on the web States
deal claimed the expense and then still
Eddie V's funds for Tory Party then you get hunted T&T
is what the courts apply the block to the nation to bomb under fwy
polluter water but a liability
and then Utah campaign yep election David Cameron has just finished
a consultation with his ban e planning to stop
monitoring equality and England and Wales
it plans to close down 600 equality
monitoring stations just in time for GCG
to police judea you say that the UK government
one their initial court case an appeal against
a good and no no this appeal is a currently being heard in the Scottish
forts
trying to stop all this with which is all that stands the cases
how's it going so far easy leakey said the appeal start
to speak and the Scottish Court because the Scottish Parliament
as it in total disagreement advocacy
Scottish Parliament quite clearly thinks that environmental law
should not be overridden by bankruptcy law
so I'll the appeal has been hacked and as far as I know all
at the judge's I'm are we to make that decision
but there's no decision I see it but basically
as far as I know all and it's already established packed
in England that they take to complete a funny text just T
avoid cleanup costs but at least the Scottish Government
is facing about Scottish people to stop David Cameron
and key mpg using fancy a canting Tex
to make sure the two cleanup and I'm put and beyond
the liabilities for scouting the country
well yes its situations like this that are going to keep Scotland in the Union
full of missus
I all like good is just stunning stuff thank you so much mail for sharing it
with us tonight
thank you did if and if you want to read some more middle Kelly she writes the
for the website open democracy dotnet um
the there's a wonderful set of articles and and and papers that she's
very very heavily researched and and put a lot of effort into
just gonna open democracy dotnet and type in the name L Kelly thats kewl
white and male forces Mb
L %uh you will keep you informed as the story continues to move forward but
I won't say it's surprising but it certainly is stunning
you want to review what does Campbell stay right here