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Israel held in is a
is 49 years old he's worked his entire life in retail customer service
and ect couldn't get health insurance through his job
he makes is income last year was
13330 four dollars he lives in Texas
now 13003 r34
is too little to qualify for Obamacare and the way that
it to buy health insurance on the exchange is to you to get
a a subsidy if he'd been seventeen thousand dollars a year
he could've gotten health insurance for free I with Obama Cavalli was 17 is
there is the
beginning put arm might be a little bit higher
RP and and you know you get a subsidy from the federal government
any would be buying it from you know blue cross your at our whatever on
on the exchange in Texas and if you made under 2000 are under three thousand
dollars a year
in taxes he could qualify for medicaid that's paid for
be in part by the state 56 percent by the federal government in forty
4 percent with FB i think by the state but instead because he makes 13330 four
dollars
and rick Scott Rick Perry
the governor Texas said we're not going to take the Medicaid expansion
from the federal government an option is provided to him by
John Roberts in the US Supreme Court when republicans petitioned the Supreme
Court to knock down Obamacare
because of that he was caught the donut hole he can't afford health insurance
he's making too much to get the health insurance for really really really
destitute people
the Medicaid program the state did not expand the Medicaid program for
Obamacare
and he doesn't make enough to qualify for Obamacare and he has been diagnosed
i with
terminal brain cancer and
the doctors are saying you know he'd been in been having these headaches he
just didn't go to the doctor
until finally the headaches turned into seizures Newsradio the doctor didn't
have insurance
when he became a seizure he ended up in the in the ER and that's where he was
diagnose all went first the neurologist said he had depression and send him home
see you stop for a while then they came back with a vengeance
he finally goes in why he has no choice is having seizures is taken to the ER
and they
scan his brain and okay this guy's got eighteen months to live
doctor said you know if we've actually treated him earlier if somebody
diagnosed him
you might be alive but he didn't have health insurance
so he really didn't have that option a did go to the
the ER and they did say well you know sorry it looks like you too pricey later
so why would a rick Scott turndown this money
and why would anybody think that this is not only a good thing but a moral thing
to tell Israel Helton just go die and has a high so Meyer
is so well as he's a senior research fellow with health policy studies at the
Heritage Foundation heritage .org
and and welcome back to the program thank you
I think this puts you in turn odd position because
Obamacare complete with the Medicare expansion
was first created by you guys was about heritage
no pics no not at all I what they did was
the they took some love the from concepts and rework some
it's kind of like i would tell people kinda like giving your wife your
girlfriend the box that says Tiffany on the outside but there's actually
something else inside it for that is that they didn't make that happen
something from your right as I try to claim
a yeah but but your for example the exchanger maybe that was designed to
create
defined contribution multiple choices lots of variation for
people were stuck in one size fits all employer plant instead they're using it
to
reduced choices and access to the other that that
be that as it may from talking about the Medicaid expansion why
expander why not expand it was interesting the IBM
the the store your relaying from palestinian drawer
this is the this is the red state donut hole you have twenty-five states where
Republican governors or legislatures are created this red stayed on all they have
increased
first mobile law creates a are secondly
John Roberts well okay one can argue that the
whereas Springs and and the Supreme Court creativity well
stuff but but but but governors have a choice of habitat no state or not having
in their state
that's right and in jan Brewer the Republican governor i've Arizona said I
don't want this donut hole in my state
well they actually it's very interesting the reason Arizona and I was not
surprised there is an adopted it
Arizona actually did this extended coverage for this population on a waiver
before
the passage of the PPACA have had ten years experience with it and so it would
be one of the few states
and the administration wouldn't play ball let them continue that
without it adopting the expansion so they were forced into a situation where
they either had to adopt expansion or throw people off the rolls are part
that were already or so the entire product line at how is Rick Perry in
turning down
with a small and not allowing Texas taxpayers have their own money back from
the federal government
okay let you know how is he not either complicity in *** or malpractice
order and or malpractice first first of all let's remember also here
what's the what's going on in the individual you're talking about the
first individual single they would qualify for exchange subsidies
because the federal is married with children I okay well then
a them de otro for a few more
dollar-something come they might call for a half years make it sixteen or
seventeen thousand dollars cheaper headed
he could have Obamacare but the right I don't know this is the problem with
these people who are the working poor
interesting things going on here arm who keep in mind that
the she is not representative of this population in other words when you look
at you say
who will be added to the Medicaid rolls as a kid nope
they're already on to that level is it disabled nope they're already on is it
the elderly is a pregnant woman oh they're already on
the people who will be added to the roles were able-bodied adults
now this is important and furthermore like Israel helm
right and furthermore but on like this gentleman
are it between three quarters were well actually it even in poor states at least
coverage just Arkansas at least three-quarters of those people do not
have dependent children in other words they have low income it but they're a so
we should just say screw them let them die
they are all know we said that remember keep in mind what's going on that's what
the Rick Perry is saying oh that's about the sake it's absolutely senator come on
you know better than that
no I don't know I'm telling you I'm I'm I'm giving meds under item or a line in
the sand here
for direct Rick Perry is either committing *** or he is
an hour he is the worst got our taxes ever had any should be. should be
impeached I know you ever did ideological agenda but look for sticks
this is not ideology this is a man dying because
this governor chose this policy stick to the facts are the facts are
that going back to a couple decades to
also be called him call the emergency medical treatment and active Labor Act
hospitals cannot turn people with the emergency room sold as you point out
this job pastor in the reagan administration but they don't have to
provide them
with anything other than triage know they do
know they do they have to provide the military's and furthermore this is very
important
furthermore this brain cancer was diagnosed in the emergency room
and the hospital said we can't treat there's
you know with this is not hospital may not be able to put some other hospital
might furthermore here's my take: we have been this is your solution
no I'm just telling you people get the medical care and it gets paid for that
support and tried to make
people today who are uninsured and have medical problems obey if they don't
necessarily get a timely that's a problem at all good now so we get the
best some sort of this cat had it this cat had Obamacare and he got treated
early instead of it being a very expensive
other problems by serb four years before this in this situation
we already are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on hospitals to
cover the cost of care for German like this
the the point that I was a makers the fast majority the people who beat
added to the rolls by Medicaid or not only able-bodied adults but they do not
have dependent children three-quarters of them
half of them were between 1934 that the interesting thing about this
is you saw the report the came out from the congressional budget office last
week in fact I'm reading from for Edward just about china gotta get your point
the point is the CPO says if the state does not expand Medicaid
those individuals who haven't both work for to get or Obamacare subsidy
to expand Medicaid Gautam up so what israel should I as he should have at
work extra hours to get his income from
asians taking a second job what this is all his fault
no it's not his fault the point is are you can find a solution for him without
adding 100 2012 able-bodied young adult
the roles in the process okay and you get the last word came to say
this is the Thom Hartmann program anheuser Meyer senior research fellow
with health policy studies at the Heritage Foundation her shattered and
thanks for being with us today
thank you