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By luck
the film premiered just before the fifteenth anniversary of
Gideon versus Wainwright and so
it was a great confluence of events that got a lot of news-press about the fact that there was a film
but there's also something about seeing
someone's experience that I think really enriches your understanding
so a lot of articles were written
but having the film I really think did contribute to the public discourse
the biggest reaction I get from people who are not lawyers
is they're just appalled
and they just say I didn't know I didn't know what was happening
I didn't know how hard it was. I feel like I can see that moment when
there's just a little bit room
for some more information or some other data points to enter their lives and
this film does not cover
everything about inch defense it's very small
but I think I hope what it does is to create a wedge
to create an opening so the next time they see somebody's mugshot
or read about something they think wait a minute maybe there's another side
I started my speeches asking people who haven't seen the film
how many people's lives could you represent at once
and people say, two? or five?
and when you think about it that's a lot of work to do
you have to investigate, you have to know their families you have to...
you could see how that would seem (hard)...
so then when I say they have a hundred-plus
or 500 in Miami
you know plus misdemeanor cases
I think people because sometimes really big numbers
they're so big that they're not meaningful
you have to have a comparison so if I say
you have to walk 10 miles
but if you know what half a mile feels like, you're like wow ten miles is really...
but you have to have something to compare it to and most people don't
so I try to give people a sense like
how many things you do at work every day? how many different projects?
are you working on a hundred and fifty different projects where you have to start
you have to get up to speed
and where you know there is a license and somebody could go to prison if you don't do a good job
that means a lot of pressure so I think people
understand that and that is
not so good for our justice system so
and you know if anything the film has done I think it's starting to help that conversation going
and then for public defenders
you know I was a little worried public defenders can be really tough audience
you know they do a hard job
they're kind of anti-authority often
but you know from many people I have heard
they wanna show the film to their parents
that the haven't been able to explain to people
why they do their jobs and that the film helps them
say say why they do
there has never been a better time for something concrete and real to happen
the Attorney General Eric Holder
made introductory remarks for the film
at silver docs this year i guess it's AFI docs now
and then
about 3-4 weeks later he announced a major policy shift
that the federal government would not
he was directing prosecutors not to pursue low-level drug crimes as felonies
which is a major (change) so I'm taking all the credit for that
but I think with that announcement
you know what the federal government's pronouncement
on drug crimes and how they should be treated
is a guide, is a signal to the state's so that's a major shift
the recent New York State finding
that Stop and Frisk as applied just stopping
young men of color is unconstitutional that's a really good policy decision
and then the fact that so many states cannot afford to wholesale
incarcerate people from low-level crimes
so I think that there's an economic push
and there's a bit of a social justice push
and so there's a really great opportunity now
for people who have been doing this work for a long time to come in
you know close the deal and really make some reform effort
so I'm pretty encouraged I tend to be optimistic person