Inklusion Gespräch Mit Untertiteleinblendung

Helloooo! Hello! I am myself hard of hearing and have deaf identity. Ok, I'm Hello! My name is My sign name here I'm hearing. Hello! My name is My sign name here I am CODA. That means, I grew up in the deaf and hearing world. Today, we are talking about a specific topic. It is about the inclusion. I think that we all have differences here and see that a deaf, a CODA and a hearing meet and exchange. I am a Turk and hearing, you CODA, you deaf ... all can speak and sign. I know that we get along fine. I am a Turk... ...I have Czech and Austrian roots... …me from Austria... Yes, we talk and sign. The deaf and hearing people can do it. That is the inclusion. I think too. This is a good explanation that the deaf, hearing people and CODA communicate well with each other. I think better that the outsiders - hearing people - can include with who can speak, sign and get accessible in everyday life. That's the goal of inclusion, of which I imagine myself. Yes, that's the same idea. My desire is that deaf people fit no longer to hearing people and are willing to speak and sign, but, all they accept and respect each other. That is the idea in the future. So far, you have difficult experiences. Can you give examples? In the past, I had often a feeling that there has been a lot of misunderstanding in life. For example, if the deaf person does not understand what the hearing person said then this deaf person tends rapidly to become aggressive. Or the hearing person sees deaf as crazy ... ... they tousle … The hearing people were not well informed ... that is, of course clear. Therefore, the Deaf need much information too. Hearing people would benefit if they understand by use of Sign language. Then there is flowing cohesion. Of course, there are great change indications. I remember back when the hearing people laughed and mocked about Sign languages there was immense shame. And now, it's no longer a problem. More and more, people are asking about the Sign language and get to know them. They are falling in love with this language. This is nice. This is an example of a successful inclusion. Why do you learn Sign language? Because my wife is a CODA, her mother is deaf, both sign. I don't understand the two, because I'm hearing, so I'm learning Sign language. This is normal. I think it can be a very useful purpose in the future. You used to have experiences, because you're just like a Turk and foreigners as Black or Chinese: Do you have used to be a feeling that you have received a discrimination? Yes Yes Yes, I was very very young and have noticed it. I raised up older and I feel that the discrimination has become less and less. Turks have been very long time ago in Austria - it was normal that this country has said, Turks are a ***. That used to be such discrimination that was terrible. Now it is no longer so. In the work, there is no problem. It improved much. Yes, at work, you do your work, it was fine. In understanding and speaking, there is no problem, but There looks like the black or dark skin, black hair, there is sometimes a problem. If hearing people think that my work is okay, you might think by surprise, then there is no longer a real problem with the look. When you think that the feeling of discrimination has slowly melted away? I believe that the feeling ... just five years ago… ... Yes, about five years ago ... ...always has been less. Every year ... ... Yes, that's right. The discrimination has lessened in the Deaf community. Now people see things different. Having heart, seeing and understanding them make it all possible to open up. Deaf and hearing people will go together. That's the same meaning as in the integration, it contains different cultures. Integration and inclusion include the similar meaning in some certain points, but the inclusion somehow otherwise ... Integration ... means by that, there is a large group of 20, 30, 50 people, and no matter, two or three people like deaf or otherwise minded people have to adapt to this large group, so that this group can take even place in its way. the way of the inclusion is for all people, like a Turk, deaf, CODA or black person. I respect and accept you. The other social behavior doesn't have an important role. Equal treatment is there. I believe that there will be a danger of standardization in the future because everyone is treated equally. There will be always challenges in life. Changes involve with it. I do not think that there will be such a danger. I have a question, have you previously experienced a culture shock? Yes, for example, in the front street, it is so and in the other side of this street, it is different. This was an echo, but it's normal. I mean by that, on the road there are two cultures. Different cultures, different people, different house styles, different languages. Czech is also different. Yeah, well, look, if the world uses a language, Sign language dominatedly, so all people can communicate with each other over the world This is nice. Therefore, it comes to the inclusion. Inclusion demands the changes must be caused, so it takes place in the education it has to do to ensure that becomes to be realized. Then it gets better. This is important. I think yes, if the hearing person can use Sign language, the image about the deaf person ... ... Sign language interpreter budget would be reduced. There are differences. I think that this image would be changed for the Deaf at the workplaces, because, when they apply for job That would scare the hearing employers to send deaf candidate away, but if you try to adjust the Deaf, and you do make sure it works yet. It's not dramatic and bad. It really works. The chief and some employees might be willing to learn Sign language, then it would be even easier and more "normal", I think so. Yes. In the education system in Austria, there are structures, there are some teachers who prefer to opt to take the hearing pupils for their classes and reject others, I find that is not fair. How it looks in the situation when the inclusion is required and used in practice. It is about the equality, there are intelligent and there are not, that makes no sense. Equal treatment has to be happen. Yes Yes Yes Yes! The school selection is not always good, so everyone has a chance ... If someone in the class, who is deaf and does not follow with the speaking teacher so the hearing pupil would interpret it into the Sign language. Then the teacher will be willing to learning it, automatically. Education means learning as well. Yes, that's right, I think that there are some teachers who do not like to use Sign language, but there are other teachers who like There are always pros and cons. Yes Yes. Yes that is correct, that the conflict exists between young and old teachers there. Yes, unfortunately. There are still old-fashioned people in general, as well as teachers ... you think sure, sign is regarded as tousle only. It's not true. Old ... ... I think personality ... …I do not think ... They want ... do not change ... ... I think it's too much for old teachers to acquire this language in addition to teaching ... ... No, I do not think so ... ... Yes, I think so. More about … it is just wrong attitude ... Yes ... it has to do with the wrong attitude, which is old like 50 or 100 years. Thoughts of that time are completely different. The way back then ... Now the boys and girls that it's not so bad but at the past time when the old folks were still young that was normal. The example would be attending church in Austria. Now church attendance is no longer present. Therefore, it is positive. So I think that kind of Sign language was on the uncorrect position than today. At that past time, Sign language was not welcome on the street, it was terrible, shameful. Today it is not so. It is about unconscious thing of the old teachers. That's the attitude. Yes, I understand now than before. That was normal for wheelchair users, the blind and deaf people - all were therefore excluded in the past time. As it was just usual at that time. Now ... Now it's different, hearted welcome, better. Looking at wheelchair users away is the wrong attitude. Yes, that's right with the wrong attitude. Also, it relates to the deaf, for example in the past war, there was the sterilization necessary so there would be no deaf babies who would be set to the world. That's the wrong attitude. My family has been deaf since generations, suddenly a child is hearing. The sterilization is really stumped! Peace and cohesion are important, so we manage our future together! I think that's much better. I believe that the wrong attitude in general violate the different kind of person or it is a discriminatory ... This sense like you said about the sterilization or wheelchairs were excluded ... ...Exclusion, Separation ... This is all unnecessary. Now it's all ... anything possible, you know? It's all possible!