Interesting People #1108 - Steve vinovich

>>> LET'S LISTEN IN AS ED VISITS WITH ACTOR STEVE VINOVICH. WITH ACTOR STEVE VINOVICH. >>WELCOME BACK TO PEORIA. >>WELCOME BACK TO PEORIA. >> THANK YOU, ED. >> THANK YOU, ED. >>I UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT YOUR >>I UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT YOUR CREDITS, I COUNTED 130 CREDITS. CREDITS, I COUNTED 130 CREDITS. IS THAT RIGHT OR AM I MISSTATING IS THAT RIGHT OR AM I MISSTATING IT H? IT H? >> PROBABLY, YEAH. >> PROBABLY, YEAH. THAT'S JUST THE TV AND MOVIE THAT'S JUST THE TV AND MOVIE STUFF, RIGHT? STUFF, RIGHT? >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. I HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED I HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED THEATER THINGS, TOO, AND USUALLY THEATER THINGS, TOO, AND USUALLY ON IMBD, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S ON IMBD, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S ALL JUST FILM. ALL JUST FILM. MORE THAN 130. MORE THAN 130. I WILL CALL THEM APPEARANCES, IS I WILL CALL THEM APPEARANCES, IS THAT TRUE. THAT TRUE. >>THERE YOU GO. >>THERE YOU GO. >>WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE OF THE >>WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE OF THE 130? 130? >> OH, MY (LAUGHING). >> OH, MY (LAUGHING). >>YOU YOU HAD NO FAVORITES. >>YOU YOU HAD NO FAVORITES. I WAS RECURRING FAVORITE ON THE I WAS RECURRING FAVORITE ON THE HOGAN FAMILY. HOGAN FAMILY. SANDY DUNCAN, I PLAYED HER SANDY DUNCAN, I PLAYED HER EXIDIOT HUSBANDS. EXIDIOT HUSBANDS. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE TED KNIGHT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE TED KNIGHT CHARACTERS IN LOVE WITH HIMSELF, CHARACTERS IN LOVE WITH HIMSELF, AND EVERYBODY ELSE ISN'T. AND EVERYBODY ELSE ISN'T. TOTAL GOON. TOTAL GOON. >>HOME IMPROVEMENT. >>HOME IMPROVEMENT. >>I WAS ON HOME IMPROVEMENT. >>I WAS ON HOME IMPROVEMENT. MATLOCK, THE FIRST ONE I DID WAS MATLOCK, THE FIRST ONE I DID WAS THREE IS COMPANY. THREE IS COMPANY. ROSE ANN. ROSE ANN. EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND. EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND. >>DAYS OF OUR LIVES. >>DAYS OF OUR LIVES. >>I DID A LITTLE RECURRING ONE >>I DID A LITTLE RECURRING ONE ON THAT ONE. ON THAT ONE. >>CHEERS. >>CHEERS. >>CHEERS. >>CHEERS. YES. YES. THEY WERE AMAZING. THEY WERE AMAZING. THEY DID NOT REHEARSE. THEY DID NOT REHEARSE. THEY WOULD COME IN ON A THEY WOULD COME IN ON A WEDNESDAY, THEY WERE GOING TO WEDNESDAY, THEY WERE GOING TO SHOOT FRIDAY, WEDNESDAY SHOOT FRIDAY, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND BLOCK T ALL SHOWS AFTERNOON AND BLOCK T ALL SHOWS COME IN ON MONDAY AND REHEARSE. COME IN ON MONDAY AND REHEARSE. >>THEY COME IN WEDNESDAY, AND >>THEY COME IN WEDNESDAY, AND VAGUELY BLOCK IT. VAGUELY BLOCK IT. NEXT CAMERA BLOCK IT AND FRIDAY NEXT CAMERA BLOCK IT AND FRIDAY SHOOT T THEY WERE HANDING THEM SHOOT T THEY WERE HANDING THEM NEW LINES ON THE SET. NEW LINES ON THE SET. THESE GUYS WERE SO COMFORTABLE, THESE GUYS WERE SO COMFORTABLE, HAD BEEN DOING IS SO LONG. HAD BEEN DOING IS SO LONG. HOW MANY YEARS H THEY BEEN DOING HOW MANY YEARS H THEY BEEN DOING IT? IT? >>, OH, MY GOD, TEN YEARS. >>, OH, MY GOD, TEN YEARS. SHELLY LONG WAS LEAVING, KIRSTIE SHELLY LONG WAS LEAVING, KIRSTIE ALLEN WAS COMING ON. ALLEN WAS COMING ON. WHEN YOU FIRST BEGAN, WHAT YOU WHEN YOU FIRST BEGAN, WHAT YOU DO TODAY, THE TRANSITION HAS DO TODAY, THE TRANSITION HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SEAMLESS. BEEN RELATIVELY SEAMLESS. IT WAS DIFFICULT AT FIRST, EASY, IT WAS DIFFICULT AT FIRST, EASY, OR CONVERSELY? OR CONVERSELY? WHICH? WHICH? >> EASIER. >> EASIER. >>EASIER THEN. >>EASIER THEN. >>VERSUS NOW. >>VERSUS NOW. >>WHY? >>WHY? >> BECAUSE YOU HEARD THE OLD >> BECAUSE YOU HEARD THE OLD STORIES ABOUT JOSEPH COTTON AND STORIES ABOUT JOSEPH COTTON AND SHELLY WINTERS GOING IN FOR SHELLY WINTERS GOING IN FOR AUDITION, AND CASTING PERSON AUDITION, AND CASTING PERSON SAYS "SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?" SAYS "SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?" >>WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY? >>WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY? >> WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT IN >> WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT IN LIFE, YOU OUTLIVE THE PEOPLE YOU LIFE, YOU OUTLIVE THE PEOPLE YOU WERE WORKING WITH! WERE WORKING WITH! (LAUGHING) AND ALL OF THESE KIDS (LAUGHING) AND ALL OF THESE KIDS COME IN AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA COME IN AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE. WHO YOU ARE. THAT'S WHERE I COULD LINE UP 12 THAT'S WHERE I COULD LINE UP 12 GUYS NOW. GUYS NOW. YOU WOULD KNOW EVERY ONE OF US. YOU WOULD KNOW EVERY ONE OF US. THEY DON'T KNOW IT. THEY DON'T KNOW IT. FRIEND OF MINE, PETER STRAUSS, FRIEND OF MINE, PETER STRAUSS, RICH MAN, POOR MAN, THEY DOPE RICH MAN, POOR MAN, THEY DOPE KNOW WHO HE IS. KNOW WHO HE IS. SO IT IS VERY INTERESTING. SO IT IS VERY INTERESTING. ALL OF A SUDDEN, I AM IN A BRAND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I AM IN A BRAND NEW BALL GAME. NEW BALL GAME. LIKE I JUST GOT OFF THE ABOUT LIKE I JUST GOT OFF THE ABOUT BUS FROM PEORIA IN NEW YORK AND BUS FROM PEORIA IN NEW YORK AND STARTING OVER. STARTING OVER. >>IT STARTED IN PUPPETS WITH IN >>IT STARTED IN PUPPETS WITH IN GRADE SCHOOLS. GRADE SCHOOLS. >>YES, AND SPAULDING HIGH >>YES, AND SPAULDING HIGH SCHOOL. SCHOOL. >>SPAULDING HIGH SCHOOL. >>SPAULDING HIGH SCHOOL. I WROTE A BUNCH OF THE SKITS ON I WROTE A BUNCH OF THE SKITS ON AND STARRED. AND STARRED. >>AND STARRED. >>AND STARRED. WE WON EVERY ONE, AND I WAS IN WE WON EVERY ONE, AND I WAS IN THE SENIOR CLASS PLAY. THE SENIOR CLASS PLAY. BUT I DIDN'T PEOPLE IN PEORIA BUT I DIDN'T PEOPLE IN PEORIA WENT INTO SHOW BUSINESS. WENT INTO SHOW BUSINESS. I WENT TO COLLEGE KIND OF I WENT TO COLLEGE KIND OF THINKING NOT KNOWING WHAT I WAS THINKING NOT KNOWING WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO BECAUSE I DIDN'T GOING TO DO BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK PEORIA PEOPLE WEPT INTO THINK PEORIA PEOPLE WEPT INTO THE BUSINESS (LAUGHING) THEN I THE BUSINESS (LAUGHING) THEN I KIND OF FELL INTO THEATER THERE, KIND OF FELL INTO THEATER THERE, AND THEN I WAS ON MY WAY. AND THEN I WAS ON MY WAY. >>YOU STARTED U OF I. >>YOU STARTED U OF I. >>UH-HUH. >>UH-HUH. >>AND THEN YOU WENT TO >>AND THEN YOU WENT TO CALIFORNIA. CALIFORNIA. U.C.L.A. U.C.L.A. >>AND JULLIARD. >>AND JULLIARD. >>I GOT A SCHOLARSHIP IN >>I GOT A SCHOLARSHIP IN JULLIARD IN THE ACTING PROGRAM. JULLIARD IN THE ACTING PROGRAM. HOW DID THAT OCCUR. HOW DID THAT OCCUR. >>FLUKE. >>FLUKE. FLUKE. FLUKE. TOTAL IMBECILITY. TOTAL IMBECILITY. IN NEW YORK, RAN INTO OLD IN NEW YORK, RAN INTO OLD FRIENDS, AND JULLIARD WAS HAVING FRIENDS, AND JULLIARD WAS HAVING AUDITIONS, AND HE SAID YOU AUDITIONS, AND HE SAID YOU SHOULD COME. SHOULD COME. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT JULLIARD WAS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT JULLIARD WAS. I THOUGHT IT WAS FUN LIVING IN I THOUGHT IT WAS FUN LIVING IN LA, THAT I WAS AUDITIONING, HA, LA, THAT I WAS AUDITIONING, HA, HA. HA. I DID IMPROV, IT MUST HAVE BEEN I DID IMPROV, IT MUST HAVE BEEN JOHN HOUSE DIDN'T MAN WHO I JOHN HOUSE DIDN'T MAN WHO I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. YOUR SPEAK IS NOT VERY GOOD YOUR SPEAK IS NOT VERY GOOD (SPEAKING WITH ACCENT). (SPEAKING WITH ACCENT). >>THIS IS HOUSEMAN. >>THIS IS HOUSEMAN. >>I HAVE A PUNCH LINE. I SAID >>I HAVE A PUNCH LINE. I SAID THAT'S WHAT YOUR SCHOOL IS FOR, THAT'S WHAT YOUR SCHOOL IS FOR, ISN'T IT? ISN'T IT? I GOT A FEELING THAT GOT ME THE I GOT A FEELING THAT GOT ME THE SCHOLARSHIP PROBABLY MORE THAN SCHOLARSHIP PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING. ANYTHING. TELL ME ABOUT HOUSEMAN. TELL ME ABOUT HOUSEMAN. >>VERY IMPOSING LIKE HE WAS ON >>VERY IMPOSING LIKE HE WAS ON THE SHOW "PAPER CHASE." THE SHOW "PAPER CHASE." >>HE WAS THE LAW PROFESSOR. >>HE WAS THE LAW PROFESSOR. >>HE WAS THAT IMPOSING. >>HE WAS THAT IMPOSING. ALTHOUGH VERY SWEET GUY, BUT TO ALTHOUGH VERY SWEET GUY, BUT TO BE IN AN ELEVATOR ALONE WITH HIM BE IN AN ELEVATOR ALONE WITH HIM WAS LIKE -- (LAUGHING) HE WAS AN WAS LIKE -- (LAUGHING) HE WAS AN IMPOSING FIGURE. IMPOSING FIGURE. VERY SWEET MAN ONCE YOU GOT TO VERY SWEET MAN ONCE YOU GOT TO KNOW HIM. KNOW HIM. >>I WILL I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT >>I WILL I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SEINFELD. SEINFELD. YOU AUDITIONED. YOU AUDITIONED. >>OH, MY GOD, YOU HAVE DONE YOUR >>OH, MY GOD, YOU HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK. HOMEWORK. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SHUDDA, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SHUDDA, COUDVA. COUDVA. >>MICKEY ROONEY AS ARCHIE BUNKER >>MICKEY ROONEY AS ARCHIE BUNKER WAS THE NAME OF THE BOOK. WAS THE NAME OF THE BOOK. HE WAS ACTUALLY THEIR FIRST HE WAS ACTUALLY THEIR FIRST CHOICE. CHOICE. I AM IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I I AM IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I WALKED IN FOR THE FINAL WALKED IN FOR THE FINAL AUDITION. AUDITION. >>HOW MANY WERE IN THE FINALS. >>HOW MANY WERE IN THE FINALS. >>JUST THREE US. >>JUST THREE US. ONE GUY WASN'T IN THE RUNNING. ONE GUY WASN'T IN THE RUNNING. THEY HAD TO HAVE THREE. THEY HAD TO HAVE THREE. IT WAS MICHAEL RICHARDS, MYSELF IT WAS MICHAEL RICHARDS, MYSELF AND SOME OTHER GUY. BUT I AND SOME OTHER GUY. BUT I WALKED IN AND IR LA I DAVID SAID WALKED IN AND IR LA I DAVID SAID TO ME "YOU ARE OUR FIRST CHOICE, TO ME "YOU ARE OUR FIRST CHOICE, DON'T BLOW IT." DON'T BLOW IT." >>YOU SAID? >>YOU SAID? >> AND THEN HE KEPT US WAITING >> AND THEN HE KEPT US WAITING FOR TWO HOURS. FOR TWO HOURS. I AM A NERVOUS WRECK. I AM A NERVOUS WRECK. I THINK I WILL CONCENTRATE ON I THINK I WILL CONCENTRATE ON JERRY. JERRY. I AM READING IT WITH JERRY. I AM READING IT WITH JERRY. I GO IN AND TURN TO JERRY FOR MY I GO IN AND TURN TO JERRY FOR MY FIRST LINE. FIRST LINE. HERE IS JERRY, HE IS TERRIFIED! HERE IS JERRY, HE IS TERRIFIED! IT IS HIS SHOW! IT IS HIS SHOW! >>THEY ARE PUTTING IT TOGETHER >>THEY ARE PUTTING IT TOGETHER AT THAT TIME? AT THAT TIME? >> WE WERE DO DOING IT FOR >> WE WERE DO DOING IT FOR BRANDON TARTICOUFF, IN A HOTEL. BRANDON TARTICOUFF, IN A HOTEL. >>IT HADN'T AIRED YET. >>IT HADN'T AIRED YET. >>THEY WERE STILL CASTING. >>THEY WERE STILL CASTING. >>THIS IS THE CASTING. >>THIS IS THE CASTING. >>DOING IT FOR THE NETWORK, FOR >>DOING IT FOR THE NETWORK, FOR N.B.C., BRANDON TARTECOTFF AND N.B.C., BRANDON TARTECOTFF AND OTHER NETWORK GUYS. OTHER NETWORK GUYS. >>JERRY IS THERE SCARED TO >>JERRY IS THERE SCARED TO DEATH? DEATH? >> SCARED TO DEATH. >> SCARED TO DEATH. WE WERE WAITING TWO HOURS. WE WERE WAITING TWO HOURS. THE INDIVIDUAL, CRAMER, WAS THE INDIVIDUAL, CRAMER, WAS CRAZIER THAN RICHARDS, IF YOU CRAZIER THAN RICHARDS, IF YOU BELIEVE T I DID MORE LIKE THEY BELIEVE T I DID MORE LIKE THEY WROTE IT. WROTE IT. RICHARDS DOES RICHARDS. RICHARDS DOES RICHARDS. HE IS BRILLIANT. HE IS BRILLIANT. WHEN HE DID "FRIDAYS" THAT'S ALL WHEN HE DID "FRIDAYS" THAT'S ALL HE DOES. HE DOES. THAT'S HIS THING. THAT'S HIS THING. >>IT IS HIS THING. >>IT IS HIS THING. HE DID IT HIS WAY, IT WASN'T AS HE DID IT HIS WAY, IT WASN'T AS THEY WROTE IT. THEY WROTE IT. STEVE IS MORE LIKE THE STEVE IS MORE LIKE THE CHARACTER, BUT THEN BRANDON CHARACTER, BUT THEN BRANDON TARTECOFF SAID WHO WAS FUNNIEST. TARTECOFF SAID WHO WAS FUNNIEST. THEY SAID RICHARDS, WELL, THEN THEY SAID RICHARDS, WELL, THEN YOU GOT TO GO WITH HIM. YOU GOT TO GO WITH HIM. FEW REALLY PREVAILED? FEW REALLY PREVAILED? >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >>HOW DO YOU HANDLE FAILURE. >>HOW DO YOU HANDLE FAILURE. YOU GET REJECTION ALL THE TIME. YOU GET REJECTION ALL THE TIME. A FRIEND OF MINE TEACHES IT, YOU A FRIEND OF MINE TEACHES IT, YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR WORK. HAVE TO DO YOUR WORK. IT IS ALL REALLY WHAT ACTING IS IT IS ALL REALLY WHAT ACTING IS ABOUT. ABOUT. ONLY REAL JOY YOU WILL GET OUT ONLY REAL JOY YOU WILL GET OUT OF IT IS DOING THE WORK. OF IT IS DOING THE WORK. THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU WILL GET OUT OF IT. MORE YOU WILL GET OUT OF IT. YOU WILL GET A SHOW. YOU WILL GET A SHOW. YOU WILL GET A EN TOY. YOU WILL GET A EN TOY. IT WILL BE A FAILURE. IT WILL BE A FAILURE. IT WILL BE A SUCCESS. IT WILL BE A SUCCESS. NO ONE WILL SEE IT. NO ONE WILL SEE IT. EVERYONE WILL SEE IT. EVERYONE WILL SEE IT. BUT THAT ALL IS -- DOESN'T BUT THAT ALL IS -- DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. REALLY MATTER. IT IS REALLY THE WORK. IT IS REALLY THE WORK. THE BEST THING CAN YOU DO IS THE BEST THING CAN YOU DO IS AUDITION. AUDITION. YOU GO IN. YOU GO IN. YOU DO IT JUST LIKE YOU WANTED YOU DO IT JUST LIKE YOU WANTED TO DO IT. TO DO IT. NAIL IT. NAIL IT. AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO. AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO. AFTER THAT, IT IS EITHER THEY AFTER THAT, IT IS EITHER THEY GIVE YOU THE JOB OR YOU DON'T. GIVE YOU THE JOB OR YOU DON'T. YOU DO IT AND YOU KNOW IT IS THE YOU DO IT AND YOU KNOW IT IS THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. AS I SAY, I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP AS I SAY, I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP DOING THE AUDITION ON THE WAY DOING THE AUDITION ON THE WAY HOME ON THE BUS. HOME ON THE BUS. I HAVE ALREADY -- IT IS DONE. I HAVE ALREADY -- IT IS DONE. >>NEXT AUDITION? >>NEXT AUDITION? >> YES. >> YES. I HAVE BEEN VERY -- I HAVE MADE I HAVE BEEN VERY -- I HAVE MADE A LIVING AS AN ACTOR. A LIVING AS AN ACTOR. BELIEVE ME, YOU CAN COUNT THEM BELIEVE ME, YOU CAN COUNT THEM ON ONE HAND. ON ONE HAND. AFTER COLLEGE, I HAVE NEVER HAD AFTER COLLEGE, I HAVE NEVER HAD ANOTHER JOB. ANOTHER JOB. I HAVE MADE A LIVING AS AN I HAVE MADE A LIVING AS AN ACTOR. ACTOR. I DIDN'T BECOME A STARCHY I DIDN'T BECOME A STARCHY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TOMORROW BUT THOUGHT I WAS GOING TOMORROW BUT THE ONE NICE THING I FOUND OUT THE ONE NICE THING I FOUND OUT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I REALIZED I HAVE GOTTEN TO DO REALIZED I HAVE GOTTEN TO DO MOST OF THE THEATER PARTS I HAVE MOST OF THE THEATER PARTS I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO. ALWAYS WANTED TO DO. I HAVE DONE 80% OF THEM. I HAVE DONE 80% OF THEM. THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING. THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING. >>HOW MANY FAILURES? >>HOW MANY FAILURES? >> OH, GOD, WHO KNOWS. >> OH, GOD, WHO KNOWS. MORE THAN THAT. MORE THAN THAT. >> THREE? >> THREE? >> PROBABLY, SURE. >> PROBABLY, SURE. SURE. SURE. >>AS YOU AGE CHRONOLOGICALLY, >>AS YOU AGE CHRONOLOGICALLY, UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT STEVE, IS UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT STEVE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE IT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GETTING GREATER NUMBER OF HITS GETTING GREATER NUMBER OF HITS THAN YOU DID BEFORE? THAN YOU DID BEFORE? >> WELL, NOT AS MANY >> WELL, NOT AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES. OPPORTUNITIES. THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR OLDER THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR OLDER PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. IT IS ALL ABOUT KIDS. IT IS ALL ABOUT KIDS. SO THE HARDER THING NOW IS, OH, SO THE HARDER THING NOW IS, OH, BOY, I AM BACK IN NEW YORK AND A BOY, I AM BACK IN NEW YORK AND A LOT OF FRIENDS DOING BROADWAY, LOT OF FRIENDS DOING BROADWAY, AND ALL MOWING AND GROWING HOW AND ALL MOWING AND GROWING HOW LITTLE -- FEW AUDITIONS YOU GET. LITTLE -- FEW AUDITIONS YOU GET. THERE ARE FEWER NOW WHICH MAKES THERE ARE FEWER NOW WHICH MAKES THEM UNFORTUNATELY TOO THEM UNFORTUNATELY TOO IMPORTANT. IMPORTANT. BUT I HAVE BEEN LUCKY THE LAST BUT I HAVE BEEN LUCKY THE LAST FOUR JOBS I HAVE GOTTEN ON MY FOUR JOBS I HAVE GOTTEN ON MY OWN. OWN. I DID BEN FRANLIN 1776. I DID BEN FRANLIN 1776. I SAW THEY WERE DOING IT, AND I I SAW THEY WERE DOING IT, AND I KNEW THE GUY THAT RAN THE KNEW THE GUY THAT RAN THE COMPANY AND EMAILED HIM. COMPANY AND EMAILED HIM. >> IT HAPPENED? >> IT HAPPENED? >> IT HAPPENED, YEAH. >> IT HAPPENED, YEAH. >>RELATIONSHIPS HELP. >>RELATIONSHIPS HELP. >>RELATIONSHIPS HELP. >>RELATIONSHIPS HELP. ONCE I GOT PICKED UP ON A STREET ONCE I GOT PICKED UP ON A STREET WATCHING A SHOW. WATCHING A SHOW. THIS GAL CAME UP TO ME, AND I THIS GAL CAME UP TO ME, AND I DID THE SHOW IN DAYTON LAST DID THE SHOW IN DAYTON LAST SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER. SHE WAS LOOKING AT MY HAIR WHICH SHE WAS LOOKING AT MY HAIR WHICH IS NOT THIS COLOR (LAUGHING). IS NOT THIS COLOR (LAUGHING). >>FOR THE SHOW WE ARE DOING >>FOR THE SHOW WE ARE DOING HERE. HERE. SHE SAID "ARE YOU IN THE SHE SAID "ARE YOU IN THE BUSINESS? BUSINESS? ". ". I SAID YES. I SAID YES. >>SHE SAID "I THINK YOU ARE >>SHE SAID "I THINK YOU ARE WRITE FOR PLAY." WRITE FOR PLAY." >>OH, SURE. >>OH, SURE. I READ IT. I READ IT. WONDERFUL! WONDERFUL! I ENDED UP DOING IT. I ENDED UP DOING IT. IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS GREAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT THIS PLAY AS A MATTER OF FACT THIS PLAY MAY HAVE A LIFE. MAY HAVE A LIFE. IT IS REALLY GOOD. IT IS REALLY GOOD. >>YOUR LONGEST RUNNING ONE? >>YOUR LONGEST RUNNING ONE? >> I WAS IN "LOST FROM YONKERS" >> I WAS IN "LOST FROM YONKERS" WHICH NEIL SIMON, WHICH WAS WHICH NEIL SIMON, WHICH WAS EARLY 90'S. EARLY 90'S. LUCY ARNEZ AND JACKSON WENT IN LUCY ARNEZ AND JACKSON WENT IN AND REPLACED THE PEOPLE AT THE AND REPLACED THE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME. SAME TIME. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS ONE I WAS IN. FAMOUS ONE I WAS IN. I DID A BUNCH OF MUSICALS, JERRY I DID A BUNCH OF MUSICALS, JERRY HERMAN FLOP, CALLED "GRAND HERMAN FLOP, CALLED "GRAND TOUR." TOUR." >>HOW LONG DO THEY TYPICALLY >>HOW LONG DO THEY TYPICALLY LAST? LAST? >> IF IT IS A HIT, IT CAN GO ON >> IF IT IS A HIT, IT CAN GO ON FOR YEARS. FOR YEARS. LONGEST I HAVE GONE IS SIX, NINE LONGEST I HAVE GONE IS SIX, NINE MONTHS IN A SHOW, BROADWAY SHOW. MONTHS IN A SHOW, BROADWAY SHOW. >>HOW MANY PERFORMANCES A WEEK? >>HOW MANY PERFORMANCES A WEEK? >> THERE IS EIGHT. >> THERE IS EIGHT. FIVE ON THE WEEKENDS. FIVE ON THE WEEKENDS. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A MUSICAL. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A MUSICAL. IT IS TOUGH. IT IS TOUGH. YOU DO ONE FRIDAY. YOU DO ONE FRIDAY. TWO SATURDAY, TWO SUNDAY. TWO SATURDAY, TWO SUNDAY. SUNDAY NIGHT YOU ARE UNIVERSITY SUNDAY NIGHT YOU ARE UNIVERSITY IN FACT, I HAVE GOING INTO IN FACT, I HAVE GOING INTO OFF-BROADWAY SHOW NEXT MONTH. OFF-BROADWAY SHOW NEXT MONTH. IT HAS BEEN RUNNING ALL YEAR IT HAS BEEN RUNNING ALL YEAR LONG, LITTLE PLUG, "OLD JEWS LONG, LITTLE PLUG, "OLD JEWS TELLING JOKES." TELLING JOKES." I AM GOING INTO THAT IN JULY I AM GOING INTO THAT IN JULY BACK IN NEW YORK OFF-BROADWAY. BACK IN NEW YORK OFF-BROADWAY. DON'T TELL THEM I WENT TO DON'T TELL THEM I WENT TO SPAULDING (LAUGHING) BUT I HAVE SPAULDING (LAUGHING) BUT I HAVE PLAYED A LOT OF OLD TUNES. PLAYED A LOT OF OLD TUNES. >>ACTUALLY RAN DOOM IN A WAY, >>ACTUALLY RAN DOOM IN A WAY, BUT NOT RANDOM IN ANOTHER WAY. BUT NOT RANDOM IN ANOTHER WAY. >>YES. >>YES. >>HOW DO YOU GET THAT PART? >>HOW DO YOU GET THAT PART? >> ACTUALLY A YOU HAD ABOUT I. >> ACTUALLY A YOU HAD ABOUT I. A BID OF MINE WAS IN THE SHOW A BID OF MINE WAS IN THE SHOW AND PUSHING FOR ME LIKE CRAZY TO AND PUSHING FOR ME LIKE CRAZY TO THE PRODUCERS. THE PRODUCERS. THEY ASKED ME TO COME IN AND DO THEY ASKED ME TO COME IN AND DO A STAND BY LAST MONTH. A STAND BY LAST MONTH. I FOUND OUT THE GUY THE PART I I FOUND OUT THE GUY THE PART I AM PLAYING, HE IS LEAVING IN AM PLAYING, HE IS LEAVING IN JULY. JULY. I THOUGHT, WELL, IF THEY LIKE I THOUGHT, WELL, IF THEY LIKE ME, THEY WILL GIVE IT TO ME, AND ME, THEY WILL GIVE IT TO ME, AND THEY DID. THEY DID. >>HOW DO YOU PREPARE? >>HOW DO YOU PREPARE? >> BOY, IT IS A LOT OF WORK. >> BOY, IT IS A LOT OF WORK. YOU JUST WORK. YOU JUST WORK. NOW IT IS HARDER TO LEARN LINES NOW IT IS HARDER TO LEARN LINES AS YOU GET OLDER. AS YOU GET OLDER. YOU JUST DRILL. YOU JUST DRILL. I GO THROUGH MY SCRIPT EVERY I GO THROUGH MY SCRIPT EVERY DAY. DAY. SORT OF LIKE YOU WATCH GYMNAST SORT OF LIKE YOU WATCH GYMNAST BEFORE THEY GO, YOU WATCH THEM BEFORE THEY GO, YOU WATCH THEM GOING THROUGH THE MOVES THEY GOING THROUGH THE MOVES THEY MAKE IN THEIR HEAD. MAKE IN THEIR HEAD. I GO THROUGH THE PLAY BEFORE I I GO THROUGH THE PLAY BEFORE I DO IT. AT LEAST ONCE A DAY. DO IT. AT LEAST ONCE A DAY. >>MEMORIZING THE LINES. >>MEMORIZING THE LINES. >>YEAH. >>YEAH. >>DO YOU HAVE TO LINK IT WITH >>DO YOU HAVE TO LINK IT WITH ANYTHING. ANYTHING. AS I UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE MIND AS I UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE MIND WORKS, IT IS RELATIONSHIP. WORKS, IT IS RELATIONSHIP. >>YES, WHEN YOU -- THE TROUBLE >>YES, WHEN YOU -- THE TROUBLE IS NOW, IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN I IS NOW, IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN I BEGAN, WHEN DINOSAURS WALKED THE BEGAN, WHEN DINOSAURS WALKED THE EARTH! EARTH! (LAUGHING) YOU CAN REHEARSE SIX (LAUGHING) YOU CAN REHEARSE SIX WEEKS. WEEKS. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO LEARN IT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO LEARN IT. YOU HAD TIME TO SAY THE LINES, YOU HAD TIME TO SAY THE LINES, AND YOU MOVE HERE AND CONNECT IT AND YOU MOVE HERE AND CONNECT IT TO THAT. TO THAT. NOWADAYS, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS NOWADAYS, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS MAYBE, THREE AND A HALF WEEKS IS MAYBE, THREE AND A HALF WEEKS IS A LOT THESE DAYS. A LOT THESE DAYS. I HAVE DONE PLAYS ONE WEEK I HAVE DONE PLAYS ONE WEEK REHEARSAL, AND YOU ARE PUTTING REHEARSAL, AND YOU ARE PUTTING UP A MUSICAL. UP A MUSICAL. YOU GOT TO KIND OF COME IN OFF YOU GOT TO KIND OF COME IN OFF SCRIPT OR PRETTY DARN CLOSE. SCRIPT OR PRETTY DARN CLOSE. HERE, THIS ONE WAS ONLY TWO AND HERE, THIS ONE WAS ONLY TWO AND A HALF WEEKS WE ARE GOING ON. A HALF WEEKS WE ARE GOING ON. >>WOW. >>WOW. WOULD ANYONE NOTICE IF YOU MAKE WOULD ANYONE NOTICE IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE? A MISTAKE? >> GOD, I HOPE NOT! >> GOD, I HOPE NOT! (LAUGHING). (LAUGHING). >>AUDITION FOR "SEINFELD." >>AUDITION FOR "SEINFELD." YOU WENT ON SCRIPT. YOU WENT ON SCRIPT. >>YEAH. >>YEAH. >>AND -- >>AND -- >>FOR THAT WHEN YOU GO TO COURT >>FOR THAT WHEN YOU GO TO COURT NETWORK WHICH IS LIKE NETWORK WHICH IS LIKE RIDICULOUS, GOING TO NETWORK IS RIDICULOUS, GOING TO NETWORK IS LIKE DOING OLYMPIC EVENT. LIKE DOING OLYMPIC EVENT. YOU ARE DOING EIGHT LINES, YOU YOU ARE DOING EIGHT LINES, YOU SIGNED YOUR CONTRACT, AND YOU SIGNED YOUR CONTRACT, AND YOU HAVE SIGNED -- YOU ARE MAKING HAVE SIGNED -- YOU ARE MAKING NOW, AS YOU ARE FIGURING IT OUT, NOW, AS YOU ARE FIGURING IT OUT, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A CONTRACT. ON A CONTRACT. YOU START OFF AND IT WILL GROW, YOU START OFF AND IT WILL GROW, AND GOES FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND AND GOES FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND HOW MUCH MORE IT GOES. HOW MUCH MORE IT GOES. THIS IS THE POINT YOU GOT TO THE THIS IS THE POINT YOU GOT TO THE FINAL AUDITION YOU HAVE TO DO FINAL AUDITION YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. THIS. >>YOU ARE THINKING -- >>YOU ARE THINKING -- >>SO, YEAH, IT IS RIDICULOUS THE >>SO, YEAH, IT IS RIDICULOUS THE PROCESS IS JUST STUPID. PROCESS IS JUST STUPID. I MEAN IT IS MORE LIKE OLYMPIC I MEAN IT IS MORE LIKE OLYMPIC EVENT THAN ANYTHING. EVENT THAN ANYTHING. IT RELATES TO NOTHING ELSE IN IT RELATES TO NOTHING ELSE IN LIFE YOU WILL EVER DO AS AN LIFE YOU WILL EVER DO AS AN ACTOR CALLED GOING TO NETWORK. ACTOR CALLED GOING TO NETWORK. >> WHAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT >> WHAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT FACET OF ACTING? FACET OF ACTING? PREP, PERFORMANCE, PREP, PERFORMANCE, POST-PERFORMANCE? POST-PERFORMANCE? >> MOST DIFFICULT PART, LOOKING >> MOST DIFFICULT PART, LOOKING FOR THE NEXT JOB. FOR THE NEXT JOB. THAT'S THE WORK. THAT'S THE WORK. WHEN YOU GET A PART. WHEN YOU GET A PART. THAT'S THE COOKIE. THAT'S THE COOKIE. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. GETTING WORKING TO GET THE NEXT GETTING WORKING TO GET THE NEXT JOB, WAITING, FILLING THE TIME, JOB, WAITING, FILLING THE TIME, THAT'S THE REAL JOB. THAT'S THE REAL JOB. WHEN YOU GET A JOB, THOSE ARE WHEN YOU GET A JOB, THOSE ARE FUN. FUN. YOU GET TO PLAY. YOU GET TO PLAY. I GET TO PLAY. I GET TO PLAY. I AM STILL PLAYING COWBOY, ED! I AM STILL PLAYING COWBOY, ED! THESE FOOLS ARE PAYING ME FOR THESE FOOLS ARE PAYING ME FOR IT! IT! (LAUGHING). (LAUGHING). >>HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY THEM TO >>HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY THEM TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS? ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS? >>WELL, MOST ACTORS, THEATER >>WELL, MOST ACTORS, THEATER ACTORS PARTICULARLY, IF THERE IS ACTORS PARTICULARLY, IF THERE IS A PART YOU WANT TO DO, YOU WILL A PART YOU WANT TO DO, YOU WILL DO IT FOR NOTHING. DO IT FOR NOTHING. YOU WANT TO DO A PART. YOU WANT TO DO A PART. >>YOU REALLY GET INTO THIS, >>YOU REALLY GET INTO THIS, STEVE? STEVE? >> OH, GOD, YES. >> OH, GOD, YES. >>YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO >>YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. LIVE SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. >>YOU CERTAINLY DO. >>YOU CERTAINLY DO. EVERY DAY, EVERY PERFORMANCE, EVERY DAY, EVERY PERFORMANCE, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, ARE YOU DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, ARE YOU LIVING SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. LIVING SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. >>HENRY FONDA GOT HIS TONY, >>HENRY FONDA GOT HIS TONY, SURPRISE AWARD, HE DIDN'T KNOW, SURPRISE AWARD, HE DIDN'T KNOW, THEY DIDN'T TELL HIM. THEY DIDN'T TELL HIM. OFF THE CUFF, I WANT TO THANK OFF THE CUFF, I WANT TO THANK THIS PROFESSION FOR GIVING ME A THIS PROFESSION FOR GIVING ME A CHANCE TO PLAY SO MANY CHANCE TO PLAY SO MANY INCREDIBLE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE INCREDIBLE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF HIMSELF. DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF HIMSELF. ONE NICE THING, AND I DISCOVERED ONE NICE THING, AND I DISCOVERED IN THERAPY WHEN I WAS A KID WAS IN THERAPY WHEN I WAS A KID WAS I FOUND MYSELF LYING ONCE, AND I I FOUND MYSELF LYING ONCE, AND I HATED LIARS. HATED LIARS. I THOUGHT, OH, MY GOD, I AM A I THOUGHT, OH, MY GOD, I AM A LIE SAR. LIE SAR. >>A LIAR? >>A LIAR? >> YEAH, WHICH IS A HATED THING >> YEAH, WHICH IS A HATED THING FOR ME. FOR ME. I REALIZED, OKAY, I AM A LIAR, I REALIZED, OKAY, I AM A LIAR, AND I AM A COWARD, AND I AM A AND I AM A COWARD, AND I AM A HERO, AND I AM BRAVE, AND I AM HERO, AND I AM BRAVE, AND I AM SCARED. SCARED. I AM A HUMAN BEING! I AM A HUMAN BEING! YOU ARE EVERYTHING. YOU ARE EVERYTHING. THAT'S ALL IN YOU. THAT'S ALL IN YOU. SO WHENEVER YOU FIND A PART, YOU SO WHENEVER YOU FIND A PART, YOU CAN GO TO THAT PART OF YOURSELF CAN GO TO THAT PART OF YOURSELF THAT FITS IN THAT PART. THAT FITS IN THAT PART. >>IF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT >>IF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING, FUN WILL WHAT YOU ARE DOING, FUN WILL HAPPEN. HAPPEN. >>YOU BET YOU. >>YOU BET YOU. >>MON MONEY WILL HAPPEN, SUCCESS >>MON MONEY WILL HAPPEN, SUCCESS WILL HAPPEN. WILL HAPPEN. >>YES. >>YES. I HAVE A SENSE, YOU ARE I HAVE A SENSE, YOU ARE PASSIONATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PASSIONATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. >>OH, GOD, YES. >>OH, GOD, YES. THAT'S WHAT IS SCO EXCITING THAT'S WHAT IS SCO EXCITING ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. I LOVE GETTING TOGETHER WITH I LOVE GETTING TOGETHER WITH THEATER RATS, THAT'S WHAT WE THEATER RATS, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THEM, ARTHUR MILLER, THAT'S CALL THEM, ARTHUR MILLER, THAT'S GREAT. GREAT. I DID A PLAY, AND HE HAS A LINE, I DID A PLAY, AND HE HAS A LINE, HE IS A GANGSTER, AND YOU DON'T HE IS A GANGSTER, AND YOU DON'T GET TO SAY THIS IN LIFE. GET TO SAY THIS IN LIFE. HE SAID, I HAVE A YEN FOR HER, HE SAID, I HAVE A YEN FOR HER, AND I DON'T MEAN A SHINY COIN! AND I DON'T MEAN A SHINY COIN! (SPEAKING IN DEEP VOICE) WHERE (SPEAKING IN DEEP VOICE) WHERE DO YOU GET TO DO THAT? DO YOU GET TO DO THAT? (LAUGHING). (LAUGHING). >>THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO >>THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRAFFIC IN PERSONALITIES AND TRAFFIC IN PERSONALITIES AND INTELLECTS YOU WOULD NEVER SEE INTELLECTS YOU WOULD NEVER SEE ON THE STREET. ON THE STREET. THESE ARE ALL ACCOMPLISHED THESE ARE ALL ACCOMPLISHED PEOPLE. PEOPLE. BOTTOM LINE, THE CHARACTERS THAT BOTTOM LINE, THE CHARACTERS THAT YOU ARE PORTRAYING ARE YOU ARE PORTRAYING ARE ACCOMPLISHED SUCCESSFUL, HOWEVER ACCOMPLISHED SUCCESSFUL, HOWEVER THEY DEFINE IT, AND YOU GET TO THEY DEFINE IT, AND YOU GET TO BE THEM. BE THEM. >>RIGHT. >>RIGHT. I AM IN NEW YORK, YOU CAN SEE I AM IN NEW YORK, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE STREET. THEM ON THE STREET. I HAVE GONE OUT IN NEW YORK I HAVE GONE OUT IN NEW YORK LOOKING FOR MY CHARACTER. LOOKING FOR MY CHARACTER. I WILL BE SITTING THERE ON SIXTH I WILL BE SITTING THERE ON SIXTH AVENUE. AVENUE. HERE HE WILL COME. HERE HE WILL COME. ONCE I HAD TO PLAY A CRIPPLE. ONCE I HAD TO PLAY A CRIPPLE. SAME GANGSTER PART. SAME GANGSTER PART. HERE COMES A GUY, I FOLLOWED HIM HERE COMES A GUY, I FOLLOWED HIM FOR TWO BLOCKS, WORKING ON HIS FOR TWO BLOCKS, WORKING ON HIS LIMP. LIMP. I WAS USING HIS LIMP. I WAS USING HIS LIMP. HE DIDN'T KNOW IT. HE DIDN'T KNOW IT. BUT -- I WEPT ONCE TO LOWER EAST BUT -- I WEPT ONCE TO LOWER EAST SIDE FOR POLISH SIDE. SIDE FOR POLISH SIDE. I WENT TO A BAR, HEAVY ACCENT, I WENT TO A BAR, HEAVY ACCENT, AND ASKED HIM IF I COULD TAPE AND ASKED HIM IF I COULD TAPE HIS TALK. HIS TALK. HE SAID SURE. HE SAID SURE. I BOUGHT HIM A COUPLE OF BEERS. I BOUGHT HIM A COUPLE OF BEERS. THEY ARE THERE IN NEW YORK. THEY ARE THERE IN NEW YORK. IT IS GREAT. IT IS GREAT. >>DO PEOPLE COME UP TO YOU ON >>DO PEOPLE COME UP TO YOU ON THE STREET, AND SAY, HEY, THE STREET, AND SAY, HEY, WHATEVER YOU YOUR NAME. WHATEVER YOU YOUR NAME. >>THAT WILL BE ON MY TOMBSTONE >>THAT WILL BE ON MY TOMBSTONE "HEY, YOU ARE THAT GUY." "HEY, YOU ARE THAT GUY." YES I AM. YES I AM. ONCE IN AWHILE, SOMEBODY KNOWS ONCE IN AWHILE, SOMEBODY KNOWS MY NAME. MY NAME. I AM THAT GUY. I AM THAT GUY. >>WHICH GUY ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? >>WHICH GUY ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? >> IF USED TO BE DIFFICULT WHEN >> IF USED TO BE DIFFICULT WHEN THEY GO "SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?" THEY GO "SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?" YOU DID NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH A YOU DID NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH A LONG LIST. LONG LIST. THEY ARE GOING. THEY ARE GOING. NO! NO! NO! NO! I AM IN "SANTA CLAUS" WITH TIM I AM IN "SANTA CLAUS" WITH TIM ALLEN. ALLEN. NOW, THANK GOD, PRETTY MUCH NOW, THANK GOD, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THEN. EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THEN. WHEN HE IS RUNNING ON THE WHEN HE IS RUNNING ON THE TREADMILL, AND I POKE HIM IN THE TREADMILL, AND I POKE HIM IN THE BELLY. BELLY. SINCE IT WAS CHRISTMAS, EVERY SINCE IT WAS CHRISTMAS, EVERY KID HAS SEEN THAT. KID HAS SEEN THAT. >>YOU TAKE CLASSES. >>YOU TAKE CLASSES. >>YES,. >>YES,. >>150. >>150. >>MOST ARE LAZY. >>MOST ARE LAZY. NOBODY ELSE SITS AROUND FOR FIVE NOBODY ELSE SITS AROUND FOR FIVE MONTHS WAITING TO DO SOMETHING. MONTHS WAITING TO DO SOMETHING. IF YOU ARE ARTIST, THE PAINTING. IF YOU ARE ARTIST, THE PAINTING. IF YOU ARE A TAX MAN, YOU ARE IF YOU ARE A TAX MAN, YOU ARE WORKING EVERY DAY. WORKING EVERY DAY. THERE IS SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. THERE IS SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. I MEAN I AM -- I SHOULD REALLY I MEAN I AM -- I SHOULD REALLY WORK ON MY SINGING. I CAN SING, WORK ON MY SINGING. I CAN SING, BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD I COULD BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD I COULD REALLY SING WELL. REALLY SING WELL. I HAVE BEEN LAZY. I HAVE BEEN LAZY. THERE IS MY LAZY PLACE: I THERE IS MY LAZY PLACE: I HAVEN'T WORKED AT T OH, SURE, IT HAVEN'T WORKED AT T OH, SURE, IT CAN BE INSPIRING. CAN BE INSPIRING. YOU GET TOGETHER WITH A GREAT YOU GET TOGETHER WITH A GREAT TEACHER, AND IT IS GREAT. TEACHER, AND IT IS GREAT. >> BUT YOU ALSO TEACH? >> BUT YOU ALSO TEACH? I I ALSO TEACH, SURE. I I ALSO TEACH, SURE. >>THE DIFFERENCE, TEACHING AND >>THE DIFFERENCE, TEACHING AND BEING A STUDENT? BEING A STUDENT? >> YOU KNOW A LOT MORE WHEN YOU >> YOU KNOW A LOT MORE WHEN YOU ARE TEACHING. ARE TEACHING. IT IS AUTOMATIC. IT IS AUTOMATIC. I DIDN'T KNOW I COULD TEACH, AND I DIDN'T KNOW I COULD TEACH, AND ALL OF A YOU HAD IS, I REALIZE, ALL OF A YOU HAD IS, I REALIZE, OH, MY GOD, THERE IS A LOT OF OH, MY GOD, THERE IS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE I PICKED UP. EXPERIENCE I PICKED UP. YOU JUST KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU JUST KNOW WHAT TO TELL SOMEBODY TO DO. SOMEBODY TO DO. YOU CAN SEE IT. YOU CAN SEE IT. >>YOUR STUDENT COMPOSITION, DO >>YOUR STUDENT COMPOSITION, DO YOU EVER SEE SOME ONE OR MORE YOU EVER SEE SOME ONE OR MORE THAT THIS PERSON IS GOING TO THAT THIS PERSON IS GOING TO MAKE IT? MAKE IT? >> I SEE A LOT OF TALENT >> I SEE A LOT OF TALENT SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES. YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY WILL MAKE YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY WILL MAKE IT. IT. I HAD A LOT OF TALENTED FRIENDS, I HAD A LOT OF TALENTED FRIENDS, REALLY GOOD ACTORS WHO COULDN'T REALLY GOOD ACTORS WHO COULDN'T HANDLE THE BUSINESS. HANDLE THE BUSINESS. YOU DON'T GET INTO IT FOR THE YOU DON'T GET INTO IT FOR THE BUSINESS. BUSINESS. YOU GET INTO THE ART AND THE YOU GET INTO THE ART AND THE PASSION, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PASSION, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SELL YOURSELF AS A COMMODITY. SELL YOURSELF AS A COMMODITY. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE CAN'T DO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT. AND YOU WATCH THEM GO BY THE AND YOU WATCH THEM GO BY THE WAYSIDE, AND THEY ARE WONDERFUL WAYSIDE, AND THEY ARE WONDERFUL ACTORS. ACTORS. THEY ARE WONDERFUL ACTORS. THEY ARE WONDERFUL ACTORS. BUT THEY CAN'T DO THE BUSINESS BUT THEY CAN'T DO THE BUSINESS WHICH IS A WHOLE ANOTHER THING. WHICH IS A WHOLE ANOTHER THING. SOME PEOPLE ARE GOOD AT SELLING SOME PEOPLE ARE GOOD AT SELLING THEMSELVES AND NOT GOOD OF ACTOR THEMSELVES AND NOT GOOD OF ACTOR AND THEY DO VERY WELL. AND THEY DO VERY WELL. >>WHEN YOU ARE PERFORMING, YOU >>WHEN YOU ARE PERFORMING, YOU ARE IN SALES? ARE IN SALES? >> A LITTLE BIT. >> A LITTLE BIT. YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THEM, BUT YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THEM, BUT YOU ARE NOT DOING IT FOR THEM. YOU ARE NOT DOING IT FOR THEM. ULTIMATELY, YOU ARE, BUT WHEN ULTIMATELY, YOU ARE, BUT WHEN YOU GET ON STAGE, YOU ARE DOING YOU GET ON STAGE, YOU ARE DOING THE PLAY. THE PLAY. THE MINUTE YOU START PERFORMING THE MINUTE YOU START PERFORMING FOR THEM, THEN YOU ARE DEAD. FOR THEM, THEN YOU ARE DEAD. YOU JUST DO THE PLAY AND LET YOU JUST DO THE PLAY AND LET THEM ENJOY IT. THEM ENJOY IT. IT IS A FINE LINE. IT IS A FINE LINE. >> BUT SOUNDS TO ME PERFORMANCE >> BUT SOUNDS TO ME PERFORMANCE IS REALLY FOR STEVE! IS REALLY FOR STEVE! >>YEAH. >>YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS YOUR WAY -- THIS IS YOUR WAY -- >>THAT'S RIGHT. >>THAT'S RIGHT. >>THIS IS YOUR WAY OF EXPRESSING >>THIS IS YOUR WAY OF EXPRESSING YOUR CREATIVITY. YOUR CREATIVITY. >>THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S WHY I LIKE >>THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE THEATER. THE THEATER. IT GUYS, I AM RUNNING THE SHOW. IT GUYS, I AM RUNNING THE SHOW. NOBODY IS STOPPING ME AFTER TWO NOBODY IS STOPPING ME AFTER TWO MINUTES. MINUTES. >>(LAUGHING). >>(LAUGHING). >>IT IS GOING FOR TWO HOURS, AND >>IT IS GOING FOR TWO HOURS, AND I AM DICTATING THE PACE AND I AM DICTATING THE PACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU SET IT UP WITH THE DIRECTOR YOU SET IT UP WITH THE DIRECTOR AND ALL BUT IT IS YOUR'S, ONCE AND ALL BUT IT IS YOUR'S, ONCE YOU ARE ON STAGE. YOU ARE ON STAGE. IT BELONGS TO THE ACTOR. IT BELONGS TO THE ACTOR. AFTERWARDS, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A AFTERWARDS, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A VERY DIFFICULT PART OR VERY DIFFICULT PART OR INTERESTING PART, ONE THAT YOU INTERESTING PART, ONE THAT YOU PUT EVERYTHING YOU HAD INTO IT, PUT EVERYTHING YOU HAD INTO IT, YOU ARE NEARLY EXHAUSTED, HOW DO YOU ARE NEARLY EXHAUSTED, HOW DO YOU COME DOWN? YOU COME DOWN? >> YOU MEAN WHEN IT IS OVER OR >> YOU MEAN WHEN IT IS OVER OR NIGHTLY? NIGHTLY? >> NIGHTLY. >> NIGHTLY. >> TAKES AWHILE. >> TAKES AWHILE. THAT'S WHY ACTORS STAY UP LATE. THAT'S WHY ACTORS STAY UP LATE. YOU ARE BUZZED. YOU ARE BUZZED. YOUR ADRENALIN IS GOING. YOUR ADRENALIN IS GOING. TAKES AN HOUR OR TWO TO COME TAKES AN HOUR OR TWO TO COME DOWN TO GO TO SLEEP. DOWN TO GO TO SLEEP. YOU READ. YOU READ. >>YOUR SPOUSE IS ACTRESS. >>YOUR SPOUSE IS ACTRESS. >>SHE IS ACTRESS, SHE IS IN LA, >>SHE IS ACTRESS, SHE IS IN LA, DOING A MUSICAL. DOING A MUSICAL. MY KIDS ARE OUT THERE. MY KIDS ARE OUT THERE. >>DO THEY HAVE AN INTEREST? >>DO THEY HAVE AN INTEREST? >> NOT AT ALL. >> NOT AT ALL. >>DO YOU THINK THEY WILL FIND >>DO YOU THINK THEY WILL FIND YOUR WAY? YOUR WAY? >> AS AN ACTOR? >> AS AN ACTOR? >> NO. >> NO. THEY WILL NOT BE ACTORS. ONE THEY WILL NOT BE ACTORS. ONE DOESN'T LIKE TO -- ONE COULD DOESN'T LIKE TO -- ONE COULD HAVE. HAVE. ONE LIKED TO PERFORM, BUT HE -- ONE LIKED TO PERFORM, BUT HE -- NOT ENOUGH. NOT ENOUGH. YOU REALLY GOT TO REALLY WANT YOU REALLY GOT TO REALLY WANT THIS. THIS. TO GO THROUGH ALL THE REJECTION, TO GO THROUGH ALL THE REJECTION, TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DOWN TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DOWN TIMES, TO GO FROM A HIGH TO A TIMES, TO GO FROM A HIGH TO A LOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO WANT LOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO WANT TO DO THIS. TO DO THIS. IF YOU REALLY DON'T, DON'T IF YOU REALLY DON'T, DON'T BOTHER BECAUSE YOU WON'T LAST BOTHER BECAUSE YOU WON'T LAST THAT LONG. THAT LONG. IT IS NOT FOR THE MONEY. IT IS NOT FOR THE MONEY. >>YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T. >>YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T. IT ISN'T FOR THE MONEY. IT ISN'T FOR THE MONEY. >>ANY REGRETS? >>ANY REGRETS? I HAVE HAD A FEW (SINGING) I HAVE HAD A FEW (SINGING) (LAUGHING) ONE, I KIND OF WISHED (LAUGHING) ONE, I KIND OF WISHED I WOULD HAVE GONE TO CHICAGO I WOULD HAVE GONE TO CHICAGO BECAUSE ALL OF THE THEATER IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE THEATER IS COMING OUT OF CHICAGO, LIKE STEP COMING OUT OF CHICAGO, LIKE STEP EN WOLF. EN WOLF. CHICAGO IS HOT NOW. CHICAGO IS HOT NOW. WHO KNEW? WHO KNEW? STUPID ME, I WENT TO NEW YORK. STUPID ME, I WENT TO NEW YORK. YOU CAN STILL GO TO CHICAGO. YOU CAN STILL GO TO CHICAGO. >>I GUESS I COULD. >>I GUESS I COULD. I GUESS I COULD. I GUESS I COULD. >>WHY DON'T YOU TOMORROW AFTER >>WHY DON'T YOU TOMORROW AFTER THIS IS OVER WITH. THIS IS OVER WITH. >>I WILL LEAVE RIGHT NOW! >>I WILL LEAVE RIGHT NOW! >>LET'S ASSUME HYPOTHETICALLY, >>LET'S ASSUME HYPOTHETICALLY, AFTER THE RUN HERE IN PEORIA, AFTER THE RUN HERE IN PEORIA, YOU DECIDED TO GO TO CHICAGO. YOU DECIDED TO GO TO CHICAGO. WOULD YOU JUST GO KNOCK ON WOULD YOU JUST GO KNOCK ON DOORS. DOORS. >>MAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. >>MAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I HAD HAVE TO GO -- THEY HAVE I HAD HAVE TO GO -- THEY HAVE AGENTS, FINDING AN AGENT, AND I AGENTS, FINDING AN AGENT, AND I WOULD START GOING AROUND TO THE WOULD START GOING AROUND TO THE THEATERS AND START LEAVING YOUR THEATERS AND START LEAVING YOUR RESUME, ASK IF THEY WILL HAVE RESUME, ASK IF THEY WILL HAVE OPEN AUDITIONS. OPEN AUDITIONS. SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING PRINTED THAT SHOWS THAT THERE PRINTED THAT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE AUDITIONS. ARE AUDITIONS. THERE MUST BE SORT OF TRADE THERE MUST BE SORT OF TRADE PAPER SOMEWHERE YOU CAN FIND PAPER SOMEWHERE YOU CAN FIND OUT. OUT. >>INTERNET MAYBE. >>INTERNET MAYBE. >>INTERNET MAYBE. >>INTERNET MAYBE. YEAH, THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT. OLD DAYS, YOU WENT IN AGENT'S OLD DAYS, YOU WENT IN AGENT'S OFFICE AND AUDITION WHEN YOU OFFICE AND AUDITION WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER. WERE YOUNGER. I DON'T KNOW HOW KIDS DO IT NOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW KIDS DO IT NOW. IT IS TOUGHER. IT IS TOUGHER. THINKING ABOUT THE REAL PLAY IS THINKING ABOUT THE REAL PLAY IS OVER, IS THERE A RELATION -- DO OVER, IS THERE A RELATION -- DO YOU ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP YOU ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OTHER PERFORMERS? WITH THE OTHER PERFORMERS? >> OH, YEAH. >> OH, YEAH. >>KIND OF LIKE ON YOUR SAME >>KIND OF LIKE ON YOUR SAME TEAM. TEAM. DOES THIS CONTINUE? DOES THIS CONTINUE? >> YOU BECOME A FAMILY. >> YOU BECOME A FAMILY. I WAS AN ONLY CHILD. I WAS AN ONLY CHILD. MAYBE THAT'S PART OF MY MAYBE THAT'S PART OF MY ENJOYMENT OF THIS, TOO. ENJOYMENT OF THIS, TOO. YOU ARE IN A FAMILY. YOU ARE IN A FAMILY. YOU BECOME A FAMILY. I HAVE A YOU BECOME A FAMILY. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS I HAVE KEPT. LOT OF FRIENDS I HAVE KEPT. SOME YOU DON'T. SOME YOU DON'T. SOME YOU LIKE BUT STILL DON'T SOME YOU LIKE BUT STILL DON'T SEE. SEE. SOME YOU DON'T LIKE AND DON'T SOME YOU DON'T LIKE AND DON'T SEE. OH, YEAH, GOD, I HAVE SEE. OH, YEAH, GOD, I HAVE MANY, MANY FRIENDS FROM SHOWS. MANY, MANY FRIENDS FROM SHOWS. >>THE CHEMISTRY ON STAGE. >>THE CHEMISTRY ON STAGE. YOU MEET GIRLS THERE, TOO. YOU MEET GIRLS THERE, TOO. >>THAT'S HOW YOU MET YOUR WIFE. >>THAT'S HOW YOU MET YOUR WIFE. >>YES, IT WAS. >>YES, IT WAS. >>HOW DID YOU MEET HER? >>HOW DID YOU MEET HER? >> WE WERE DOING A SHOW OFF >> WE WERE DOING A SHOW OFF BROADWAY, AT THE THEATER, JOE BROADWAY, AT THE THEATER, JOE PABST COMEDY. PABST COMEDY. ANDREA MARVIN WAS IN IT, SHE WON ANDREA MARVIN WAS IN IT, SHE WON ATONE I LAST WEEK. ATONE I LAST WEEK. SHE WAS MARRIED TO SOMEBODY SHE WAS MARRIED TO SOMEBODY ELSE. ELSE. NOTHING HAPPENED. NOTHING HAPPENED. SHE WAS ACTUALLY MARRIED TO SOME SHE WAS ACTUALLY MARRIED TO SOME GUY. GUY. I MET HIM. I MET HIM. HE CAME OUT WITH US ONCE, AND I HE CAME OUT WITH US ONCE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE TWO OF THEM, WAS LOOKING AT THE TWO OF THEM, AND SAID THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AND SAID THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT FITS. THAT FITS. >>THAT'S NOT WORKING. >>THAT'S NOT WORKING. >>BUT I DIDN'T PURSUE T SHE >>BUT I DIDN'T PURSUE T SHE CALLED ME FOUR MONTHS LATER, AND CALLED ME FOUR MONTHS LATER, AND I SAW HER IN ANOTHER SHOW. I SAW HER IN ANOTHER SHOW. AND SHE ASKED ME OUT. AND SHE ASKED ME OUT. AND THEN SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS AND THEN SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS GETTING DIVORCED. GETTING DIVORCED. IT WAS LIKE, OH! IT WAS LIKE, OH! >>GORGEOUS GAL. >>GORGEOUS GAL. >>SHE WAS MISS TEEN-AGE AMERICA. >>SHE WAS MISS TEEN-AGE AMERICA. I CAN RECALL A STORY, LABORER AT I CAN RECALL A STORY, LABORER AT A STEEL COMPANY UP IN CHICAGO, A STEEL COMPANY UP IN CHICAGO, AND THIS JOB WAS ABOUT FINISHED, AND THIS JOB WAS ABOUT FINISHED, AND IT WAS 712'S, WORKED 12 AND IT WAS 712'S, WORKED 12 URS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. URS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. ONE OF THE GUYS SAID, LISTEN, I ONE OF THE GUYS SAID, LISTEN, I REALLY LIKE YOU, THERE ARE SEVEN REALLY LIKE YOU, THERE ARE SEVEN 12'S AT U.S. STEEL. 12'S AT U.S. STEEL. DO YOU EVER GET THIS SORT OF DO YOU EVER GET THIS SORT OF TIP, THIS IS OVER WITH YOU -- TIP, THIS IS OVER WITH YOU -- >>YOU DO, SOMETIMES. >>YOU DO, SOMETIMES. YOU CAN GO OVER THERE. YOU CAN GO OVER THERE. >>MORE SO IN NEW YORK. >>MORE SO IN NEW YORK. THEY KIND OF SHARE, OH, HEY, I THEY KIND OF SHARE, OH, HEY, I HAVE AUDITIONED FOR THIS THING, HAVE AUDITIONED FOR THIS THING, YOU WOULD BE RIGHT FOR THIS. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT FOR THIS. >>MAYBE A COMPETITIVE POSITION. >>MAYBE A COMPETITIVE POSITION. >>EXACTLY. >>EXACTLY. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN LOS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN LOS ANGELES? ANGELES? >> RIGHT NOW? >> RIGHT NOW? DOG EAT DOG. DOG EAT DOG. >>DOG EAT DOG. >>DOG EAT DOG. IN NEW YORK IT HAPPENS. IN NEW YORK IT HAPPENS. >>DO YOU FIND THAT STRANGE, >>DO YOU FIND THAT STRANGE, STEVE? STEVE? >> I GUESS, YEAH, A LITTLE. >> I GUESS, YEAH, A LITTLE. YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW. BUT IN NEW YORK YOU ARE ABOUT BUT IN NEW YORK YOU ARE ABOUT THE ART AND THE WORK. THE ART AND THE WORK. IN LA, IT IS ABOUT THE JOB AND IN LA, IT IS ABOUT THE JOB AND THE MONEY. THE MONEY. WHAT I WENT OUT TO LA, GET A WHAT I WENT OUT TO LA, GET A NAME, GET A SERIES. NAME, GET A SERIES. I WENT THERE, AND GO BACK TO NEW I WENT THERE, AND GO BACK TO NEW YORK TO START STARRING IN SHOWS. YORK TO START STARRING IN SHOWS. I GOT TWO VEHICLES AND THEY ONLY I GOT TWO VEHICLES AND THEY ONLY RAN NINE SHOWS. RAN NINE SHOWS. I ALMOST GOT THAT ONE AND A I ALMOST GOT THAT ONE AND A COUPLE OTHERS. COUPLE OTHERS. IT IS LUCK OF THE DRAW. IT IS LUCK OF THE DRAW. GOT TWO. GOT TWO. BRIAN CRAN STON AND I, BREAKING BRIAN CRAN STON AND I, BREAKING BAT, BUDDIES AND I FROM ONE BAT, BUDDIES AND I FROM ONE SHOW, THAT DIDN'T GO. SHOW, THAT DIDN'T GO. BLESS HIS HEART, HE HAS GOT BLESS HIS HEART, HE HAS GOT THAT, AND PART OF LIVE TYPE. THAT, AND PART OF LIVE TYPE. HE IS GREAT IN THAT. HE IS GREAT IN THAT. GOD BLESS HIM. GOD BLESS HIM. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE WHEN YOU DO YOU HAVE A SENSE WHEN YOU READ A SCRIPT, THIS IS REALLY READ A SCRIPT, THIS IS REALLY WORK -- WORK -- >>OH, SURE. >>OH, SURE. SURE SURE. YOU KIND OF KNOW. SURE SURE. YOU KIND OF KNOW. >>YES. >>YES. >>YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND. >>YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND. >>I HAVE BEEN AROUND, YES. >>I HAVE BEEN AROUND, YES. YOU HAVE SEEN SUCCESSES AND YOU HAVE SEEN SUCCESSES AND FAILURES I I HAVE SCREWED UP. FAILURES I I HAVE SCREWED UP. THEY WANTED ME ORIGINALLY FOR THEY WANTED ME ORIGINALLY FOR "HAIR SPRAY." "HAIR SPRAY." THEY KEPT CALLING AND I TURNED THEY KEPT CALLING AND I TURNED THEM DOWN. THEM DOWN. >> I RENTED THE MOVIE AND I >> I RENTED THE MOVIE AND I HATED IT. HATED IT. I THOUGHT IT WAS AWFUL. I THOUGHT IT WAS AWFUL. DO I WANT TO BE HARVEY? DO I WANT TO BE HARVEY? AND YOU KNOW, MY AGENTS WERE AND YOU KNOW, MY AGENTS WERE SAYING THIS WILL BE THE BIG HIT SAYING THIS WILL BE THE BIG HIT NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR. I WAS JUST LIKE -- AND I TURNED I WAS JUST LIKE -- AND I TURNED THEM DOWN, AND OOPS! THEM DOWN, AND OOPS! GUY ENDED UP DOING IT WON TONY GUY ENDED UP DOING IT WON TONY FOR BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR OF FOR BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR OF THERE ARE STUFF YOU GO NO TO, THERE ARE STUFF YOU GO NO TO, AND IT IS A BIG HIT. AND IT IS A BIG HIT. STUFF NO, AND BIG HIT. STUFF NO, AND BIG HIT. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARC, HE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARC, HE COULDN'T DO IT. COULDN'T DO IT. >>THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN A >>THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN A PLEASURE, STEVE. PLEASURE, STEVE. I CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR I CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR ENORMOUS SUCCESS. ENORMOUS SUCCESS. >>THANKS, ED. >>THANKS, ED. THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH SOMEONE WHO REALLY BELIEVES IN SOMEONE WHO REALLY BELIEVES IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND PASSIONATE WHAT YOU ARE PASSIONATE WHAT YOU ARE DELIVERING TO THOSE WHO SEE YOU DELIVERING TO THOSE WHO SEE YOU AS EXTRAORDINARY. AS EXTRAORDINARY. IT IS CALLED A PLAY, SO PLAY! IT IS CALLED A PLAY, SO PLAY! THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT'S A GOOD THING. >>THAT'S A GOOD THING. >>THAT'S A GOOD THING. >> MY PLEASURE. >> MY PLEASURE. >>THANKS, ED. >>THANKS, ED. >>MY PLEASURE. >>MY PLEASURE. >>