Christian Guy Debate - Obama's re - Election - Us not christian anymore

joining is todd friel he's the host of wretched tv this website is w_w_w_ dot wretched dot t_v_ todd you recently wrote the election of twenty twelve may go down in history as the official date that america became a post christian nation a new non christian worldview determined that this election talk about that why is the u_s_ now a post christian nation well it should have been the economy come us still big but it wasn't this should have been a landslide considering our economy allegedly early again it they should have and i think a conservative slash republican landslide victory whenever there's a rotten economy typically the incumbent is very vulnerable they very vol normally jimmy carter like incumbent won the election rather handily so there's gotta be something els going on in our culture method is that what i was so excited that quantify how the economy was bad for our audience well i think that's it and take a look at the unemployment rate you can take a look at the national debt i think you can take a look at our gross domestic product you can take a look at our country even from an international political standpoint the opinion an added to their of other countries toward america what is going on in the middle piece i thought this is a step that i got it so much stuff but look at that in all polls opinion of the u_s_ of in other countries was significantly higher than during the eight years of george w_ bush g_d_p_ was growing up in it slowly jobs we're recovering millions of jobs created so specifically which aspect of that should have led to a romney victory well sure we added some jobs but we weren't even keeping up with college graduates there was positive job abroad it wasn't enough to keep up with the number of human beings that are even entering into the workforce hoga do we need to take a look at then got busy do we need to see what's happening in in ship i don't know what images we need to see the determine things aren't looking real good over there and what about think i've they had to do with president obama well i think that he it's underneath his watch okidata quiet so that we wanted to have done differently pardoning locadia done differently to prevent that that attack well i think that there's lots of things that could be done but we could talk about through the factory i bought when we see a strong america we see fewer embassy attacks now this happen that a consulate so what does that have to do with anything what is that to do with anything did for people that are not but you're right about that we've had to do with that but this happen at a conflict you talked about and this is how are the two related a consulate ok arent so let's get on and so now we are post christian nation now what happened now what happens is things start to look different now you might think that they look good but they definitely look different we can see a nation prayer nancy's single mothers i think we can see aids is a bit of a problem i think we can see that families are disintegrating i think morality is portrayed on t_v_ screens movie screens it is certainly a different america than leave it to be berwyn sugary uh... yes ok now and so what is bad is this something has changed when chaudhry i'm sorry so something has changed wouldn't you agree is certainly i mean for the first time we saw marriage equality voted on by the popular vote in three standard if you please if you're going to be a good reason in quincy named however correct unfair that you could if you could the sitter that to be a good pic which i presume you do as i corrected it by the salute okay so you think that's a we think that is a weather kal change in america our other throughout italy thing a steady progression now nine states but do you think it's certainly parents than before the election so with that in mind some is changed i'm a christian i'm actually saying that i believe that it's the church's fault that the nation is ch in tinsel radically and i don't think it's in a good way i'd think it's a bad way i'm actually what you and i apparently disagree on morality issues by actually wanna take the blame for the change because i don't think the church is doing a good job of getting are true message out by agree i mean certainly the extreme conservative views of many religious organizations have turn voters off drastically less people consider themselves religious than ever before west people regularly go to church than ever before iraq rabbit blame the channel blame religion for a lot of what's going on do you think though that christians are oppressed in some way in this country dot well i don't use the term or credit or persecuted i don't think that uh... justice for the type of true persecution of christians more than any other elliptical receiving overseas due to the hands of communism orchid plum but do if we get treated all but different in this country i happen to be up to that question is more and more yep and my whimpering and sucking my thumb in a corner noel but so exciting that you know where there is just being treated in a way that you don't like well-equipped out the logically britain multiple recap one man who owns but by the leader industries that that that he had believed but they are german women in a woman i think you sought the rather patrol response to that matt and would happen to be a christian okay but so so people certainly is on there is that they are example of management polluted this debate the christianity i don't really know that it's about christianity it's about just basic rights in america quality is coming it's going to be a nationwide thing eventually he's going to be on the wrong side of history regardless of what his his religious text alum some people decided you know what i'd like that i'm gonna now go out of my way to go to check for way and some people said i don't like that now i won't go to chip away david you question whether christian into the determination that is yet to be interesting to me about what your progressive kind of fellow i think the program i just don't know nicobar seems to be the briefing the bears winter oz imposing values up another group of people and right now progressive dot imposing a christian more than ever before and they're not doing it gary pla ans but how can we say that i'm uh... cute is variable i mean todd how can we say so for example like one when voters in three states voted to affirm marriage equality deaf people casting a ballot no one's imposing views it's just democracy is in it your okay then then why did you try to get a change i'm what was i'm sorry we're having a technician and why do you try to make a change if you don't lebudde laws impor openings boredom morality which quite honestly is a ridiculous then why did you fight for a change then why didn't you get coexist well that's the thing because they are actually being discriminated against merck for his morality rate is morality child abuse of morality somebody is going to be imposing the morality on somebody the question is who and predominately right now i think the progressive are indeed winning because the church right now is not behaving the way should be hating and we're not getting that message are or placate the strength of say i think that we've been a bad job of dealing with the cake issue high-grade atop we like sean hannity inr at limbaugh too much and we should be coming by christians offering a message of for forgiveness not just you people are wrecking the country so you believe gay people need to be forgiven because it's a sin is that what i'm reading into it you don't bother to read that subtly that exactly what the bible because yep there and then how about like marijuana legalization something we also saw voted on a number of states what it what would be the true christian thing on that well that it uh... it could but complex issue in that the bible doesn't use the word marijuana app so when we look for the bible to give it a direct eating with upheld what that so we need to take a lot of different looks at the bible is the one at seven p believe overall the bible teachers buddy christian in individual should be in control of his body his mind should be shark sober mind i don't think that marijuana contribute to that therefore i a but they comes down on marijuana and historically that has been the church's position okanagan okay and then how about on on *** house about bernard you've been *** is a good thing down i think it's one of these things that is not sad not to be regulated and made it illegal if you know it's a good thing at that that's how they got more old judgment i think there's nothing wrong with *** not making moral judgments david seriously i think there's nothing wrong with it okay so you think that it is good that women are portrayed in that fashion nobody but i think it was not the business of the government is get out a lot on over to get looked at by complete strangers youth and so i was up youth they think that women being treated like sect object morally neutral wasn't if you're asking me what i want apa tential daughter of mine to be in *** that's a very different question than whether i think that the government should only read about them or not repeating if they work and i'm going to daughter in a movie that they shouldn't be allowed to do that in fact that kind of really the conservative republican idea isn't it the free market should dictate yeah i thought that was what what you guys were all about what what what let's not be he's brought many with argument we dictate lots of things all the time by allied opera when pipe are both women and part not review are they not somebody else's daughter yes they are don't you care about those girls idea but it's not my business what they do it i don't think it's the government's business much the same way i don't know what i think that and so i thought so you don't care about anybody in their behave burial poster *** of course because somebody isn't consenting outsole its content that is the shal so if there is little there's an or not repeat that was brought there through the sex trade are you opposed to that i'm opposed to the sex trade yes okay so it's just consent that's the issue there's nothing moral about empty thing in your opinion instance consent todd i mean if work what we're talking about strong an argument in reduction to the absurd this is kind of a textbook cases in it i don't think so but apparently a new todd friel is the host of wretched t_v_ i want you to check out his website wretched tv dot com there's certainly a lot of material there for people to analyze and go over all the all the information is there dot although we didn't agree on much i do appreciate the conversation very much i don't think they agreed on everything but i don't hate you david all right very good thank you pat