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SPEAKER 1: We're looking at a sculpture that, in many ways
doesn't really seem to be--
SPEAKER 2: A sculpture.
SPEAKER 1: Right.
SPEAKER 2: It's not free standing.
SPEAKER 1: It's not.
It's more like a relief.
SPEAKER 2: But it's not really a relief.
SPEAKER 1: Not really, because there's
no background it's attached to.
SPEAKER 2: And they're isolated units, all the same.
SPEAKER 1: That's right.
This is a work by Donald Judd, and it's
a piece of minimalist sculpture, and it was done in 1969,
and it's an untitled work.
He would have had the exact same form replicated over and over
again.
So each one of those boxes that you see
there were not made by him, and it was also made in a factory.
So it has a kind of a machine-made aesthetic to it.
SPEAKER 2: It somehow seems like it's made to, sort of,
interact in the space of a gallery.
SPEAKER 1: Absolutely.
In fact, he's very specific in giving instructions
on how to hang this, how to attach it to the wall.
That each one be spaced 6 inches apart.
And usually, the first time it was made,
it was supposed to be evenly spaced
all the way to the ceiling.
So it would be somewhat dictated by the height
by the normal height of the ceiling.
Of course, that would change depending
on what space you're hanging it.
SPEAKER 2: But this one doesn't do that.
SPEAKER 1: I think that's because the photograph
that you're looking at, in particular.
SPEAKER 2: It's made of something
that has a reflective surface.
SPEAKER 1: High sheen to it, the outside of it is brass
and then, it's difficult to see here,
but there are plexi kind of Windows
that are the tops of each one of these boxes.
So you can see through it.
And sometimes, depending on which piece it is,
they're intensely colored like pink or kind
of a yellowish color or translucent.
So it interacts with the space and creates
a kind of a shadow and coloristic effect
on the wall, the blank wall of the gallery.
SPEAKER 2: So should we be thinking back here
to sculptures made of bronze?
SPEAKER 1: I think so, but also the negation of that.
One of the things that Judd and other minimalists
are trying to do are to be of their time.
So there's that whole tradition that he's
continuing of modern art, you know,
where you choose the materials and the themes
of your own time.
And here, to choose something that
is brass, which can be used in older art, but to make it
look like it's sheet metal, something
that comes out of a factory.
And in fact, is not made by him, but made by other workers,
is very important, and the plexi is an altogether new material.
SPEAKER 2: So it really speaks to our factory,
industrial culture.
SPEAKER 1: Exactly, and it is what it is.
It doesn't disguise itself.
He's very explicit about not trying
to make illusionistic art.
So he doesn't want to make a sculpture look
like a person or a space that isn't there.
And so they're clearly boxes and the plexi
allows you to see that they're not solid.
So there's a clarity and a literal quality
that he wants to bring out.
SPEAKER 2: And it also reminds me
of skyscraper, other kinds of modernist forms.
SPEAKER 1: Right and does evoke that
and just the sheer replication of the same form
over and over again.
SPEAKER 2: Very modern.
SPEAKER 1: It suggests machine production and one
thing being--
SPEAKER 2: Going shopping and seeing everything
the same in the grocery store.
SPEAKER 1: Exactly.
SPEAKER 2: 900 versions of the same thing.
SPEAKER 1: Right.
Kind of a product-like quality to it.
It's easy to see how the clean qualities of it,
the shininess of it, and also the plexi.
Maybe at first glance, it seems oversimplified,
but on further scrutiny, there's a lot of color and reflection
and light at play.
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