Az Tech & Innovation - High school app developer, immigration bill, & legislative update

>>> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WE'LL HEAR FROM AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY ON THE DETAILS OF THE U.S. SENATE'S LONG-AWAITED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION PLAN. ALSO TONIGHT, OUR MIDWEEK LEGISLATIVE UPDATE WITH THE "ARIZONA CAPITOL TIMES." AND WE'LL MEET A LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WHO HELPS DEVELOP COMPUTER APPLICATIONS FOR APPLE. THOSE STORIES NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON." >>> "ARIZONA HORIZON" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF EIGHT, MEMBERS OF YOUR ARIZONA PBS STATION. THANK YOU. >>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS. THE U.S. SENATE'S COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION PLAN WAS UNVEILED TODAY. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP AND REQUIRES EMPLOYERS TO USE E-VERIFY TO CHECK WORKERS' ELIGIBILITY. THE PLAN EXPANDS SOME VISA CATEGORIES AND DECREASES OTHERS, AND CALLS FOR THE ENTIRE BORDER TO BE MONITORED BY HOMELAND SECURITY. JOINING US TO HELP BETTER EXPLAIN THE PLAN IS IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY REGINA JEFFERIES. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> WE CAN'T GO THROUGH ALL 844 PAGES, BUT WERE THERE ANY SURPRISES? >> I THINK THERE WERE SOME SURPRISES. THERE WERE ALSO NOT SURPRISES, AS WELL. NOBODY WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO SEE A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON AN INCREASE IN BORDER SECURITY, IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE PROVISIONAL STATUS THAT WOULD LEAD TO CITIZENSHIP ULTIMATELY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE. BUT AS FAR AS SURPRISES GO, ONE OF THE SURPRISES WAS THAT THE WORK-BASED VISAS WOULD BE MORE TIED TO THE MARKET, THAT SOME OF THE FAMILY-BASED CATEGORIES WOULD BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMMIGRATION. SO IT WAS REALLY ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING MIX OF THINGS THAT CAME OUT, THIS BILL. >> LET'S START WITH BORDER SECURITY. IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT OF THINGS DEPEND ON THAT. WHAT DOES THE PLAN CALL FOR, AND HOW DOES BORDER SECURITY IMPACT OTHER ASPECTS? >> BORDER SECURITY IS A PRETTY BIG FOCUS OF THE PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES IS THAT IT CALLS FOR REACHING A 90% APPREHENSION RATE ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER. THE MAIN FOCUS IS ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO. IT CALLS FOR ACTUALLY PUTTING A LOT MORE MONEY INTO BORDER SECURITY AND THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE WORKING ON THE BORDER, INCLUDING INCREASING NUMBERS OF AGENTS ON THE BORDERS, INCREASING TECHNOLOGY, THE USE OF DRONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> 90% APPREHENSION RATE, THAT MEANS 10% GOT THROUGH? WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE IS A DEFINITION IN THE PROPOSED BILL OF THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SORT OF REMAINS TO BE SEEN. WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A 90% APPREHENSION RATE OF ALL ENTRANTS. IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING HOW THEY COUNT ALL ENTRANTS IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING 10% OF THEM. >> IF YOU MAKE IT THROUGH, HOW DO WE KNOW -- I GUESS THEY WILL WORK THAT OUT. >> THERE IS A COMMISSION FOR THAT. >> I'M SURE THERE IS. >> THERE'S AN ADJUSTER OF STATUS TO WHAT'S CALLED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANT STATUS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP ON THE PATH TO PERMANENT RESIDENCY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS CATEGORY WOULD NOT INCLUDE EVERY SINGLE PERSON CURRENTLY HERE UNLAWFULLY. IT WOULD LEAVE OUT CERTAIN GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS LIKE INDIVIDUALS WITH AN AGGRAVATED FELONY, WHICH IS A TERM UNDER IMMIGRATION LAW. IT WOULD EXCLUDE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN CRIMINAL BARS TO THAT, AS WELL. BUT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HERE, IT WOULD PROVIDE A SORT OF STEPPINGSTONE TO THAT LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENCE STATUS, AND ALLOW THEM TO BE HERE WITH THAT STATUS, WORK AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. >> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO BACK HOME AS SUGGESTED? >> THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL AT THIS POINT. >> WHAT ABOUT FAMILIES? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE FAMILIES OF THE UNDOCUMENTED THAT ARE HERE? >> FOR THE FAMILY, IT MEANS MORE SECURITY. THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED BILL, SO WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT COMES OF IT. IT DOES REALLY AIM TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER. ACTUALLY ONE OF THE SURPRISES, SINCE YOU ASKED EARLIER, IT WOULD ALLOW CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD BEEN DEPORTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE BILL TO BE ABLE TO APPLY TO COME BACK IN, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF CRIMINAL RECORD, AND IF THEY COULD SHOW THEY HAD AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER WHO'S A U.S. CITIZEN AND LIVING HERE. >> AS FAR AS INCREASING VISAS FOR SKILLED WORKERS, UNSKILLED WORKERS, HOW DOES THAT PLAY IN HERE? >> YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BILL DOES THAT'S GOOD IS THAT IT ACTUALLY SORT OF LOOKS MORE AT A MARKET-BASED APPROACH FOR THINGS LIKE H1Bs, VISAS FOR PROFESSIONALLY SKILLED WORKERS. THEY PERPETUALLY RUN OUT EVERY YEAR. IT'S CAPPED AT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF VISAS THAT'S SORT OF JUST PICKED OUT OF THE AIR. THE BILL RECOGNIZES YOU CAN'T JUST PICK A NUMBER, BECAUSE THE MARKET WILL SORT OF DICTATE HOW MANY ARE NEEDED IN A CERTAIN YEAR. THERE MAY BE MORE OR FEWER NEEDED. >> THE QUESTION IS, WHO DECIDES WHAT THE MARKET IS SAYING. >> THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. >> AND EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION ALSO A MAJOR ASPECT OF THE PLAN. ENHANCING E-VERIFY? KEEPING IT AS IT IS? >> IT DOES MAKE E-VERIFY MANDATORY FOR EMPLOYERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> SO AS FAR AS ADDRESSING THE PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, WHAT CHANGES? >> WELL, WHAT CHANGES IS THAT IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO EARN THEIR WAY TO PERMANENT RESIDENCY AND EARN THEIR WAY TO CITIZENSHIP. IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC BY ANY MEANS. AND UNDER THIS THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, PROVIDE CERTAIN DOCUMENTATION. IT'S NOT JUST FOR ANYBODY. IT IS A COMPROMISE BILL, IT DOES LEAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT. NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THIS OBVIOUSLY. >> BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE SEEKING ASYLUM? >> FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS THERE'S ONE CHANGE THAT'S INTERESTING, ONE THING IT DOES IS IT GETS RID OF THE ONE-YEAR FILING BAR. THAT MEANS UNDER ASYLUM LAW CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TO APPLY WITHIN ONE YEAR OF YOUR ENTRY INTO THE U.S. FOR ASYLUM. IT'S REALLY A POOR POLICY. YOU END UP HAVING A LOT OF CASES WHERE PEOPLE WITH LEGITIMATE CLAIMS, THEY CAN'T APPLY WITHIN THAT ONE-YEAR PERIOD FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO SHOW ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS APPLIES. IT'S A GOOD CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR LEGITIMATE CLAIMS TO BE ACTUALLY HEARD. >> WITH ALL OF THIS, WHAT ARE YOU ADVISING PEOPLE? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? >> WELL, RIGHT NOW SINCE IT'S JUST A BILL, I'M REALLY TELLING PEOPLE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WAIT AND SEE. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT PEOPLE STAY INFORMED. THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE DEFERRED ACTION PROGRAM WITH THE DREAMER STUDENTS, THAT YOU REALLY JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING GOOD INFORMATION, THAT YOU'RE GETTING INFORMATION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T FROM DISREPUTABLE SOURCES. >> AS FAR AS THE DREAMERS ARE CONCERNED, ARE THEY ADDRESSED IN THIS BILL? >> THEY ARE, THEY COME OUT REALLY WELL IN THIS BILL. IT DOES SIGNIFY THE SPECIAL STATUS OF THAT POPULATION AND THE RECOGNITION THAT SENATORS HAVE OF THEIR SPECIAL STATUS. THEY HAVE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY AND CITIZENSHIP. >> AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S SO BROAD AND THERE'S SO MUCH IN THERE, IT'S NOT ONLY BROAD BUT COMPLICATED AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS, DON'T YOU THINK? >> I THINK THERE WILL BE QUITE A LOT OF DEBATE AND AMENDMENTS. IT BE AN ENTERTAINING COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> GOOD TO GET A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THANKS FOR JOINING US, WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >>> LAWMAKERS REVIVE A MEDICAL CARE PRICING BILL, AND SEND A GUN MEASURE TO THE GOVERNOR. HERE NOW WITH OUR MIDWEEK LEGISLATIVE UPDATE IS LUIGE DEL PUERTO FROM THE "ARIZONA CAPITOL TIMES." WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BUDGET, FIRST? >> IT'S ALREADY APRIL, MIDDLE OF APRIL ALREADY, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. WHETHER HE IS PREPARED AS LEADER OF THE SENATE TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THEIR OWN SENATE PROPOSAL WITHOUT THE GOVERNOR'S BUY-IN. BASICALLY PROD THE PROCESS ALONG. THE TACTIC HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE TO GET THE TWO SIDES MOVING IF THERE'S A STALEMATE OR SO. HE'S NOT PREPARED TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE GOVERNOR OVER THE BUDGET. AS LONG AS THE TWO SIDES ARE MEETING AND THEY ARE MEETING REGULARLY AT STAFF TO STAFF LEVEL. AS LONG AS THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS AND AGREEING ON NUMBERS AND IN THE ROOM TOGETHER, HE SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. >> IF HE WERE TO SEND SOMETHING OUT, THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY A "BRING IT ON" KIND OF MESSAGE? >> YES. IT WOULD BE HIM POKING THE GOVERNOR IN THE EYE INDIRECTLY. >> THE ENCOURAGING NEWS IS THEY ARE TALKING, THERE IS NEGOTIATION, THERE MAY BE YELLING AND SCREAMING, BUT IT'S BEHIND DOORS. >> HE SAID IN FACT THINGS WOULD HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY IF THEY GET TO SOME POINT WHERE THEY ARE READY TO PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT HAS THE BUY-IN OF BOTH SIDES, THINGS CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY. >> THINGS MOVED FAR AS A BILL INVOLVING -- A LOT OF CITIES HAVE A GUN BUY-BACK PROGRAM. THEY BUY THE STUFF AND MELT IT DOWN AND WE ALL MOVE ON. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? >> ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO THE STATE LEGISLATURE ENACTED A LAW THAT BASICALLY REQUIRED THE POLICE TO SELL THE GUNS THEY CONFISCATED DURING THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME TO LICENSED FIREARMS DEALERS. THERE'S A LOOPHOLE IN THAT LAW. THAT LOOPHOLE IS BEING EXPLOITED BY SOME CITIES. THE CITY OF TUCSON HAS GUN BUY-BACK PROGRAMS. THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE GUNS THAT SHOULD BE SOLD TO LICENSED FIREARMS DEALERS ARE THE GUNS THAT WERE CONFISCATED. THESE ARE NOT GUNS THAT WERE FORFEITED OR CONFISCATED, THEY WERE VOLUNTARILY TURNED IN BY THE GUN OWNERS. THEY ARE OLD, NOT USEABLE, THEY ARE DEFINED AS THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO LICENSED FIREARMS DEALERS. THIS YEAR LAWMAKERS WHO ARE PRO-GUN INTRODUCED A BILL, THAT'S BEEN PASSED NOW BY BOTH BODIES, THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, THAT BASICALLY SAID, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE MAY NOT OR SHOULD NOT OR CANNOT FACILITATE THE DESTRUCTION OF A FIREARM. BASICALLY STOPS TUCSON FROM DESTROYING THEIR FIREARMS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED FROM THEIR GUN BUY-BACK PROGRAM. >> WHY? >> WELL, THERE IS -- THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. AS YOU KNOW, ARIZONA HAS ALWAYS HAD A VERY STRONG TRADITION WHEN IT COMES TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THERE IS A STRONG SEGMENT, A STRONG NUMBER OF LAWMAKERS WHO JUST DON'T THINK GUNS SHOULD BE DESTROYED, THAT THEY THINK THE CITIES ARE WASTING THEIR TIME BY BUYING ALL THESE GUNS AND THEN DESTROYING THEM, THAT THERE'S A BETTER USE TO THEM BY CIRCULATING THEM BACK INTO THE MARKET AND HAVING RETURNS AS A RESULT. >> I GUESS YOU COULD ARGUE THAT CITIES ARE WASTING MONEY BY MELTING THESE THINGS DOWN? >> THAT'S PART OF THE ARGUMENT. THERE WAS A VERY SPIRITED DEBATE AS YOU COULD IMAGINE. THIS IS THE FIRST GUN BILL OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR AND IT DEALS WITH THE SUBJECT. SOME PEOPLE ARE UPSET BY THAT. HEY, WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME DISCUSSING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WHEN WE SHOULD DISCUSS THE LARGEST PROBLEMS OF SOCIETY REGARDING MENTAL ILLNESS AND GUNS AND GUNS SAFETY. >> THE GOVERNOR LIKELY TO SIGN THIS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S SO TOUGH TO SEE IN ADVANCE OR EVEN HAVE A SENSE HOW THE GOVERNOR WOULD ACT ON GUN BILLS. IN THE MAIN SHE HAS BEEN VERY PRO-GUN, SHE HAS BEEN A GREAT ALLY OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. BUT SHE HAS VETOED PROPOSALS TO EXPAND GUN USE BEFORE. SO IT'S TOUGH TO SAY HOW SHE WOULD RESPOND ON THIS PARTICULAR BILL. >> IT ALSO SEEMS SHE GETS A LITTLE TOUCHY WHEN IT COMES TO STATES MEDDLING WITH COUNTIES AND CITIES. >> THAT'S A RECURRING THEME IN PREVIOUS ACTIONS SHE HAS MADE. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE AND THEREFORE BEST TO DEAL WITH ISSUES. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT EXTENDS INTO THE GUN ISSUE. BUT SHE PREFERS THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEALS WITH LOCAL ISSUES. >> THIS WAS VETOED AND THE SPONSOR WAS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT AND COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT. BRING IT BACK AND TRY AGAIN? >> SHE HAS AMENDED THE VETOED BILL ON OTHER LEGISLATION TO REVIVE IT. NOW IT'S BACK ON THE TABLE AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE GOVERNOR DOES ASSUMING IT GETS TO HER DESK. >> YOU HAVE TO POST EVERY HOSPITAL OR MEDICAL FACILITY, THEY HAVE TO POST PRICES FOR COMMON MEDICAL PROCEDURES? >> I WENT TO AN ORTHOPEDIC DOCTOR, I HAD MY COPAY, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT COSTS. THE HEALTH FACILITY OR HOSPITAL WOULD POST THE 25 MOST COMMON PRICES OF THE 25 MOST COMMON SERVICES THEY OFFER, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT -- MAYBE DON'T HAVE AN INSURANCE BUT THEY ARE PAYING CASH, TO GIVE AN IDEA HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY. THROES BRING THE PRICES DOWN. YOU SHINE A LIGHT ON HOW MUCH THESE FOLKS ARE CHARGING YOU'LL PROBABLY BRING DOWN THE PRICES AS A RESULT OF COMPETITION. >> I WOULD IMAGINE THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY IS NOT SUPPORTING THIS. >> NO, THEY ARE NOT, THE HOSPITALS ARE AGAINST IT, MEDICAL SOCIETIES ARE AGAINST IT. THEY WILL WEIGH INTO THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION TO VETO THIS BILL. >> WILL THAT WEIGH INTO HER NEXT BILL, AS WELL? THE MEDICAID BILL IS STILL SITTING OUT THERE. >> WE DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT IT IS TRUE OR NOT, THE GOVERNOR MAY BE SENDING A MESSAGE, HEY, LOOK, I WANT MY MEDICAID PROPOSAL THROUGH. UNLESS I GET THAT ONE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOURS. >> YOU THINK SHE'S GOING TO SIGN THIS NEW AMENDED VERSION? >> THE CLOSEST WE CAN GAUGE WAS A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN SHE VETOED A PROPOSAL TWICE. THEY SENT IT TO HER, SHE SAID NO. THEY SENT IT TO HER, SHE SAID NO AGAIN. GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, THANKS FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU. >>> OUR CONTINUING COVERAGE OF ARIZONA TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION ISSUES FOCUSES TONIGHT ON A YOUNG APP DEVELOPER. PERRY WAXMAN IS 18, A VALLEY LUTHERAN HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT, AND A DEVELOPER OF DEVICE APPLICATIONS THAT LED HIM TO A JOB WITH APPLE. >> GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT IS AN APP? HOW DOES ONE CREATE AN APP? >> IT'S A SHORTENED TERM FOR APPLICATION. APPS CAN DO BASICALLY ANYTHING YOU WANT FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO A CALCULATOR, A GPS IS AN APPLICATION. BASICALLY ANYTHING. >> SO HOW DO YOU DEVELOP ONE OF THESE THINGS? >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP FOR APPLE YOU HAVE TO USE THEIR ARBITRARY DEVELOPMENT TOOLS. SO YOU REGISTER IT THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPER NETWORK, AND YOU GET CODING. >> WE HAVE SOME SHOTS I THINK OF YOUR NOTES. IT LOOKS AWFULLY COMPLICATED. >> IT IS. IT'S NOT EASY. >> YEAH. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, IS THIS MORE DESIGN? >> YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST NOTES AND JUST SOME REALLY JUST SKETCHES OF AN APP I'M COMING OUT WITH IN THE COMING MONTHS. IT'S A GAME, IT'S SUPER SIMPLE. IT'S REALLY JUST IN ITS INFANCY RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALL DRAWINGS. >> WHAT GOT YOU STARTED IN THIS? >> I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING HOW I COULD REACH SO MANY PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING PRETTY SIMPLE. AND ALSO THAT I COULD CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING BASICALLY. >> AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CODE HERE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO MOST OF US. EVEN FOR YOU, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, IT STILL TAKES A LOT OF TIME, DOESN'T IT? >> IT TAKES A LOT OF RESEARCH AND PATIENCE. >> I'LL BET. WAS THERE AN APP THAT FIRST GOT YOU THINKING, I WANT TO DO THIS? LIKE AN INSPIRATIONAL THING? >> I WOULDN'T SAY JUST AN APP, BUT HOW PEOPLE ARE SO TIED TO SOFTWARE, AND HOW INTIMATE IT CAN BE AND HOW PEOPLE CAN BE EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT. TO ME THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING. >> IT'S A WAY TO CONNECT WITH FOLKS IS WHAT IT IS. >> UH-HUH. >> NOW, YOU HAVE -- HOW MANY HAVE YOU DEVELOPED SO FAR? >> THREE. >> AND HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE DOWNLOADED THEM? >> ABOUT 12,000 OR SO. >> DO YOU GET RESPONSE? DOES SOMEONE FROM MAINE SEND YOU NOTES SAYING I LOVE IT, I HATE IT? >> SOME PEOPLE CAN REVIEW IT, I CAN SEE WHO'S DOWNLOADING IN WHICH COUNTRIES AND FREQUENCY AND PERCENTAGES, LOSING OR GAINING. >> THEY ARE DOWNLOADING IT AROUND THE WORLD? >> YEAH. >> IT'S KIND OF A KICK, ISN'T IT? >> YEAH. >> WHAT DO YOUR APPS DO? SHOW US REAL QUICK. IS IT A GPS KIND OF A THING OR A GAME? >> ONE OF THEM IS L&L WHICH STAND FOR LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE. >> GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT IT DOES AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> IT FINDS WHERE WE ARE, WHEREVER SOMEONE ELSE IS. YOU CAN'T FIND WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF CREEPY. BUT IT GIVES US OUR LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE IN NUMBERS. >> HOLD IT UP FOR THE CAMERA THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> AND THAT'S ON YOUR IPHONE. WHAT IS IT EXACTLY DOING THERE? >> IT'S FOUND WHERE WE ARE, SO WE'RE IN THE WALTER CRONKITE SCHOOL. >> WE INDEED ARE. >> AND IT GIVES US LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE. IT'S HARD TO READ IT BUT IT'S UP HERE. >> THAT'S BASICALLY IT. >> YEAH. >> WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> I WAS JUST EXPERIMENTING WITH SOME CODE WITH CORE LOCATION AND FRAMEWORKS LIKE THAT. WHY NOT MAKE IT, I THOUGHT. >> WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE HAVE YOU HAD FOR THAT ONE? >> NO ONE'S DONE ANY REVIEWS, IT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT OF AN APP, IT'S SUPER SIMPLE. >> SPEAKING OF FRIENDS AT SCHOOL, WHAT DO THEY THINK OF MR. BIG SHOT DEVELOPING APPS AND WORKING FOR APPLE? >> I DON'T LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE ALL ABOUT IT, I JUST DO MY OWN THING. THEY THINK IT'S COOL, I GUESS. TO ME IT'S KIND OF NERDY. SO MANY PEOPLE USE SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY TODAY, BEING SOLELY FOR A NERDY CROWD ISN'T CORRECT. >> WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN AT THE L&L AS THEY CALL IT. WHAT DOES YOUR FAMILY THINK ABOUT IT? >> THEY ARE PRETTY IMPRESSED. >> WAS IT KIND O,F, THAT'S NICE, GO AHEAD AND HAVE FUN? DID THEY KNOW YOU WERE SERIOUS ABOUT IT? >> I WAS SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS A WEEK DOING IT, GETTING REALLY FRUSTRATED AND TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGH DINNER AND WHATEVER. SO YEAH. >> SO YOU'RE AT VALLEY LUTHERAN, A SENIOR, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> HEADED TO -- >> ASU. >> YOU'RE GOING TO ASU, FORGET HARVARD AND STANFORD? >> I'M GOING TO MAJOR IN COMPUTER SCIENCE AND SOFTWARE ENGINEERING. >> YOU'RE GOING TO BE AN ENTREPRENEUR, MAYBE WORK FOR A COMPANY? >> YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WAS IT TRIAL AND ERROR? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO? >> A LOT OF TRIAL AND ERROR, A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF BOOKS. I'VE READ A LOT OF BOOKS ABOUT IT. YOUTUBE IS A GREAT RESOURCE TO WATCH PEOPLE DO IT, TALK ABOUT IT. BUT TO ME, LEARNING IS THE BEST WHEN SOMEONE ELSE CAN TEACH YOU PERSON TO PERSON. >> ALMOST A MENTORING KIND OF SITUATION. >> DO YOU SEE YOURSELF AS MENTORING SOMEONE SOMEDAY? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> DO YOU SEE YOURSELF DEVELOPING MORE GAMES OR MORE LIKE THE L&L? >> I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT SOFTWARE IS THAT -- THAT CAN REALLY INFLUENCE PEOPLE ON HOW THEY DO THINGS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOCIAL NETWORKING, COMMUNICATION IN GENERAL, OR ENTERTAINMENT. BUT JUST TO REALLY GET SOMEONE INTO THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. >> ALMOST INSTRUCTIONAL IN A WAY? >> INTRODUCTIONAL, WHATEVER I CAN THINK OF I WOULD PROBABLY DO. >> AND AS FAR AS WORKING FOR APPLE, HOW DID THIS GET STARTED? >> WELL, YOU JUST REGISTER IN THEIR DEVELOPER PORTAL. THEY GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES YOU COULD ASK FOR, AND THEN YOU JUST START DEVELOPING. >> BASICALLY IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY CAME AND KNOCKED ON YOUR DOOR AND SAID, HERE, SIGN A CONTRACT, YOU'RE WORKING FOR APPLE ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS DOING THIS? >> YES, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER DEVELOPERS. >> THIS HAS GOT TO BE PRETTY EXCITING FOR YOU. I'M FASCINATED THAT YOU DECIDED ON YOUR OWN YOU WERE GOING TO DO THIS. >> WERE YOU EVER DISCOURAGED EARLY ON? >> EXTREMELY DISCOURAGED, I WAS MAD, FRUSTRATED. BUT WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS GETTING WORDS ON THE SCREEN IS SO PROFOUND AND EXCITING THAT YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP DOING IT AND DOING IT AND MAKING IT BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER. >> WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE DEVELOPED GAMES AND INSTRUCTIONAL STUFF, REALLY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, CAN'T YOU? >> REALLY. >> IF IT COMES TO YOUR MIND YOU CAN DEVELOP IT? >> YEAH, CERTAINLY. THE ONLY THING STOPPING ANYONE FROM GOING THEMSELVES WITH THIS, OR ANYTHING ELSE, FOR THAT MATTER. >> THERE'S ALWAYS STILL MORE TO LEARN. >> OF COURSE. >> CONTINUED SUCCESS, AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE. AND THURSDAY ON "ARIZONA HORIZON" WE'LL LOOK AT THE POLITICS INVOLVED IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, AND HEAR FROM A RESIDENT OF SUPERIOR WHO SUPPORTS A MASSIVE COPPER MINE PROPOSED FOR THE AREA. AND 10:00 ON THE NEXT "ARIZONA HORIZON." THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I'M TED SIMONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING