Wvcdl Interview with Mike Agnello on Wchs Radio58

five this is fifty eight life with my gang up on our boys some charleston sixty-eight w c ajax roger bryant producer than fifty live perfect role we can't back down this is so much bigger than republican it democrats liberal-conservative i can't overstate what's going on and i'm talking about what culminated today with the president standing up there surrounded himself with children and then the going past the constitution some more of the executive orders tried to create law it was never intended too for that i'm talking about executive orders edward meese talked about that today uh... on their knees mac to some other places uh... but i'm with somebody i don't think it's going to back down i've known for a number of years he's going to be my guest for the entirety of the hour i'd welcome keith morgan while with the again the west virginia citizens defense lead she's welcome to the program served great to be here mike well that we can to dedicate this song to you today brother uh... the alleles not comment on the appropriateness of that liberals uh... uh... will be backing down either were all our membership well we are up against it and i say we do you know i'm a fireman on huge a supporter of n_r_a_ citizens you know uh... defense league all you stand for second member first amendment in fact i kind of for the constitution i know that makes me kind of an hardball today but you know you really think about it they want to come alleges that joshua nelson was on the from a couple days ago to him everywhere elia yet been really mad o'clock i'll be liable to be there never talked on saturday at the state capitol you'll see some of our people there were actually uh... backing that we've got uh... whatever membership can make it out to you senator mansions office in martinsburg ok are headed over there the rest of the uh... you know from uh... the charleston points west are probably going to be down there with you guys well i'll certainly be there and it's going to be there i've not scheduled to speak their own are just want to be there as a citizen as a west virginian as an american uh... these uh... whatever they were these twenty whatever they were executive orders even uh... you know showing more capital stood up strong for press release today and said he's bypassing julie elected house of representatives this is not how the country was designed but tell me about will get all the time of so much to cover but we've got time there's no rush tell me about the conversation you had just a few days ago which senator joe mentioned well uh... i had like in the conversation was actually us today bolivia's yahoo it was yesterday and the best way that i can describe it is that there was a train wreck and lou i i need to fill you most some back story on uh... how we got to the point where uh... i was actually meeting with the senator uh... when he first came out talking about how he only needs three bullets and has gone you have uh... we pretty much immediately went on the attack with the elmer fudd angle yet because we have day k_g_o_ the uh... seven amendments not about deer hunting and uh... the elmer flood that angle picked up a lot of traction we how we didn't do this but our our membership of members of the general public showed up at our protest on december twenty second uh... they were carrying um... they were carrying signs the that they had elmer favs likeness on adn guy said t-shirts made it was uh... uh... that's got real traction and and and i think it it disturbs him shortly thereafter another part of a phone call from the summer and uh... i believe he kinda prides himself as they consensus builder and so that was the direction of of what he was talking with me you know and and he he said uh... i'm a big fan of bringing people together how simple senator rachana uh... uh... big fan of that to it'll be bring anna couple a hundred together outside your officers would love the love to see you there uh... he didn't show up uh... so this occurred and and uh... some other folks and the second amendment community here in west virginia and he he brought us together it was the right people and he he talked to these guys and it's a man who was this big the people he brought together paper altogether the president's uh... various gun clubs public alley gun club on the uh... mason-dixon rifle club up in morgantown um... you know mac mcmillan and and uh... and you know several other folks that uh... that are involved in u_n_ gun rights and shooting an awning and so forth and uh... so we brought all these guys together and d under the mac mcmillan pearls on the public alley gun club told him juga reason i'm on this call is because i think we can save you then shortly thereafter senator mansion started changing his tune in the media he was saying things like uh... he didn't see a gun ban as part of the solution the etcetera and then i walked into that meeting with them and uh... i was prepared to to calif although max leader how do we save you how do we save your reputation with west virginia gun owners that's the mentality all walked and well and what i ran into it was just an absolute train wreck the arguments that he were burpee was bringing up a were uh... quite shocking they were straight out of the anti-gun playbook and uh... tried educating down some points and he'd you know the questions i would get you've heard this before why does anybody need of thirty round magazine you know i had a report to that yeah passable senator mansion against a police work for you for years and they have thirty round magazines they face the same threats we face peace why do they need thirty round magazines but we only need ten and it if he came around the source one point where he said he simply doesn't see the self-defense and go he said he wasn't brought up that way and he doesn't see the second amendment that way but isn't he didn't joining the rest of the crowd when you take interpretation of the second amendment that can clearly defined by federal courts by the united states supreme court especially in washington d_c_ and in chicago putting his values or his personal values in the interpretation of the second amendment i don't really care what she thinks i need ameen that's again that's his value being put on my rights well yeah ah... and and you know it's it's really unfortunate that uh... you know so that so many people think this way and and and allison quite frankly shocked to here united states and under that did not mission and the purpose of the second memnoch new york act i broke down federal state burst forty-six for him chiropractic ok you know what upward in close on time i want you to do when we come back by one with keith morgan here i want you to break out of my talked about the federal sp papers lou but yesterday i want you to break this down for people that here's what the constitution says not with their interpretation this value system the president's you know whatever his uh... one of his either x it's about the constitution is far right prominently keith morgan you don't want to know if the rest of this program more to come here and fifty life this is my kid will deny voice i'm w c h s the voice of charleston just talking about three four five fifty eight fifty and this is the headline with mike and i lost place of charleston we're not gonna play well in the fed bouts with others i'd like to go the night boys w c h s my very special guest keith morgan west virginia citizens defense league and you know what you try to play nice you go to the people that you don't like to senator davidson there's no mention and then the lecture you on what to do to do in that do uh... people you are trying you are meeting with the senator you were trying to explain when he was trying to give you this i'd only be more bullets in three guns too or three bullets to shoot a deer and you were trying to get melitta lesson on the federalists writings about what the second amendment was all about ki photo well first i i i have to give props to your engineer manages at his music choices there's a salsa lesson i could so all right well uh... i want a preface this worth of the understanding that when i'm talking to you about it and i told mansion the same thing among necessarily talking about our s where yet i feel duty to posterity i feel a daily tomas on our fill of delete uh... any kids that he may have and as soch you have to examine are things with a alike to the future particularly when you're messing with a constitutional right so uh... you know i explain the senator mansion they seem like this was all new to him in a head baffles me hello united state senator uh... i could possibly not understand uh... meaning behind the bill of rights but anyway he acted as if this also near to him who anyway uh... federal sporty search will spend by james madison madison was a perot central government yankee he wanted to consolidate power in the central government he is getting some resistance from folks who had just dealt weapon just overthrown well tyrannical central government and uh... when madison said we need a standing army that the other side stand you know they balked wait a minute we just dealt with the standing army ways we just had a war with the state of the normal week we don't want a standing army the states have their own armies will be good well madison says well look it's ok it's okay if you have a standing army and here's why because the entire population will be aren't and no matter how big you make the army they will never be able to overthrew the states an unarmed people and mansion basically ah... this was a deer in the headlights conversation he acted as if he had never heard this before and eaten flat-out told me that you know defense against tyranny was not a consideration for him and what did he respond by like we said to be photos what you just kind of going to do what interrupted your wheaties morgan uh... west virginia citizens defense league well you you challenge and they said you know the state police have thirty round clips uh... because they have to deal with the criminal element and sometimes a very well armed criminal element and he said this to him and i thought it was a great comparison senator as citizens we have to defend ourself against at saint well armed bad intentioned criminal element why is it so important to take away weapons again from a lately arm citizenry that's fully complying with the lol that are good citizens and want to do the right thing i'd just honest and how is this going to make any schools safer or anyplace safer by taking away and a bit the ability to defend ourselves uh... mike i have my opinions on and i can't speak specifically to senator mansion i can speak only in general philosophy he said i think for the past forty years or so there has been on the movement really starting in academia and branching out from there at that violence is never picks up the ball under any circumstances even self-defense it's it seems like this for us fears it has gotten really pervasive in academia and spread and the politics of the political realm that it is better to die at the hands of your attacker then defend yourself vinny used to seem boldly violence if there are perpetrating a new i'd think you're absolutely right i guess well you know just like dogs one of the stories that never got out was in san antonio san antonio texas two days after the connecticut shooting what happened as a guy came in to kill his girlfriend at a restaurant shot her the people ran out of the restaurant ran into the theater next door this guy's followed them in the theater wanting to kill more of them was one difference this was in the gun free zone this theater on michael roar colorado allowed you to have a cherry there was somebody military was an off-duty sheriff deputy she had begun she hit him four times he didn't shoot anybody else that story never mated out because it doesn't fit their narrative people bad goes are but rule and i want good guys with guns dot stopping bad guys with guns well and an ultimately that's that's the only way that's the only way that you can't you can't stop forces workforce let me just go on to to this real quick uh... i will go through a lot of them we just have a little while but this is uh... some of the but no well executive actions or orders from the president well one of them says business is owed to me a little bit of a scary one direct the attorney general to receive categories of individuals categories now prohibited from having bogdan and make sure goes into this dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks talked about a value judgment dangerous people so mel by their stroke of their pen you saw how people become dangerous people and then here's one for pop opera c issue a presidential memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace goes recov ered in criminal investigations please don't say it's eric holder he let go twenty five to thirty five hundred weapons he is a men's murderer fifty anybody should go to jail i think eric holder should he's personally responsible for more deaths giving it to criminals drug cartel people and there was no tracking devices it was the rooms but now this is the same person we look to two-track weapons i'd just think it's so scary ml turning our doctors into police and having them turn in their patients i wonder what that will block of that will do part of the patient-doctor relationship i wonder when people really do need help when they're having some some emotional issues maybe a mile trek allies are something that could help on a temporary basis maybe they will show up at all now if they don't have the turned into the federal use well i am and those are all good points announce that i have to tell you that that my big question when uh... you read an executive order that uses words like categories and dangerous is who determines those categories and who decides who is dangerous and who's not to him who doles out the government blessing uh... of being able to to exercise your uh... your rights and you know that that bothers me and and then you look at that uh... there's there's something that a lot of people don't know about the whole uh... fast and furious the bahcall with with older and and the a_t_f_ it quietly uh... has all of this was happening yeah i remember very clearly there was a a media campaign i came out of the white house about uh... the violence in mexico and how we're responsible for it well what happened after that uh... you hit you had your media campaign and then the follow up the be a_t_f_ re-released roles that if you sold multiple worry falls you had you had a report does and uh... that that just struck me as a a completely false pretext generated the generated crisis uh... for the purpose of uh... enacting registration there's no actor distilled dot my mind this was a setup let me ask you this what was the forgive me the final well point of the conversation to return interrupted you about senator mansion didn't see mikey understood self defense and weapons well a_t_f_ haiti well he are thinking on their stance my take on it is the guy understands he just doesn't care so he's going to all k wat in your opinion well he's he has he said that uh... universal background checks limitations on magazines on assault weapons and some sort of mental health care reform or where what he supported now i will say this cheese i do support somehow somwhere keeping weaponry out of the hands of the men smoke mostly mentally disturbed people does delivers about about that has doesn't love you b c d uh... we're we're not in the business of arming felons and and so i can't uh... button but i have to tell you you know the uh... the big issue there is is the senator mansion sold us out and it's big blatant sell-out and you know he told me something as we were we were talking there was towards the end in because remember had walked in there with the intention of trying to save the guy and we walk we'll awoke in their mouth talking to a man and appears it finally comes up we've got nothing this guy's the skies against us he's against the second amendment he doesn't believe in a check on tyranny he doesn't believe in self-defense so we've got no ground here so i'll tell him senator mansion assassinate we are going to be there at every fund raising event at every single term where you're trying to run your your candidacy in your campaign we're gonna be there in your not gonna like our silence and his response there won't be any evidence annuities morgan this is mike admiral tonight but my voice much more to come on this debate and will leave it open the lines up and take some calls three or four three four five fifty eight fifty eight three oh four three four five fifty-eight fifty eight this is a conversation we need to have and we also need you there on saturday morning nine o'clock the state capitol it's boss it really is are standing together for the constitution not about republican that about democrat not about mark multi-party were independent our constitutional rights again this is mike to go on w c h s the voice of charleston also in the community sixty eight live point hike at now apply some charleston fifty eight w c h a s after guide had blood this change in in his changing very strangely here this is market go on the night voice under the c_h_a_ smart very special guest will be as last visit i assure you his teeth morgan west virginia citizens defense uh... lead let me just uh... we're gonna take a we're gonna go to the phones three oh four three four five fifty eight fifty eight but just one final point there's one executive order that i do agree with but we did need executive order because this is already in place there is a federal program but he was the provide incentives whether that means he'll give billions to make solar panels that don't work but he's gonna provide incentives for schools the higher uh... resource officers and we'll call that hardening the targets because you told me and you've met some i've had two on the program having a trained police officer at his school one of the best things we can do their their enormous manifest that having an officer in the school and that they become part of the social process inside a school so uh... so they're learning uh... how things are working in the school where the problems or plus they provide a deterrence in the ability to to send return fire if there's a problem but i i will say this up that don't think that some not when uh... when you're looking at hardening of target you have to you have to examine more than just putting personnel in the target you have to look at access capability how do you get in and out of school how the people get in and out uh... watcher method for validating that folks or there there should be there but these are all types of things that i think should be examined and i don't think anybody's going up well no we're only talking about kinds of weapons in sizes of magazines that that they are fixated undergone because they don't like guns they have a visceral reaction to guns and i decided on this program every night good guy stopping bad guys whether it's women hiding in their own homes store clerks deputy sheriffs off-duty in theaters good guys withdrawn stepping stopping bad guys with guns three oh four three four five fifty eight fifty eight we will go to the phones brian from red house was full of ryan connaught like a couple quick point we're the the problem that i have with fiat mental are issue executive order issue and i are course chipset enter hurry that we don't think people that are out mentally ill you know it should have acted pecan the problem is that bombing uh... mentally ill and the precedent and his current drafted them mentally ill the people who homeschool their children people who have rob hall bumper stickers uh... on their vehicle people it is not interested in pac donations and if if it's a say why would they be edward terrorism when they come up with all these roles for terrorists well you are not mike that area and agree what a terrorist the definition of terrorism changes split each administration and uh... so i think we have we got be very careful there and the one of the main reasons why i think the american people his bonus step back and take the test it she got too many american people who have their hands in the government coffers the government can just come out and traveler factor gun for what they do here than a day after that is they give people and they provide their rock almoner food in their cell phones in their free medical care and all these other things and once you get a majority of the people depending upon the government and some form or fashion they can do anything they want to do like the old thank that you're not law-abiding and update you brian that well-served by last night in the program but there was a couple studies that just came out really validate what you're saying employers now are looking for people have only been a no out of work six months or lester throwing out their old resumes people that there are forty years to and sitting around just clicked in the czech they don't want them what's going to make them almost currently unemployed and you're right percent of welfare spending will go up in the next ten to two eleven years creating just again get dependent class and uh... they way i will let uh... brian thanks for the comments i don't mean to move along but just wanna make give peace a chance to respond to all brian the you know that i i think i'm brings up a really good point and uh... i think that uh... president obama has done something dangerous with this particular executive order and the reason that i think so is that there is any huge difference between uh... somebody with psychological issues and somebody that's a danger to themselves and others and the problem is that an executive order like this can lump it all went together and the net result of that is that people will not seek help they will not seek treatment and then you're gonna have some guys doing in a closet with a rifle until something terrible happened you know that was my problem was going to go up a blend of excellent point just because we may be having going to a tough time maybe a divorce it may be lost a job or who knows what maybe just the down time we've all had them so you go to your doctor may be of use a mile tranquilizer for a moment just you know because you're going to some rough times now the fact club u_n_ you know i mean we might be overstating and oversimplifying it but i hear what he's saying there's doesn't seem to be any standard cheer you're right but now you've got doctors task determined people and they might lose their license ability to or living if they don't cooperate with the federal lease now you've got people like you say are going to be very resistant to open up to a doctor i'm so the motions they may be havin tuesday going to be turned in know this this is a of uh... i don't know what was that there there has to be a solution somewhere right now it when it comes to the mental health angle unfortunately though i a m i don't feel qualified to to present that kind of solution that i could probably a no people who are to get their opinions but i'm not an expert on that but my fear is you've got to delineate between just somebody who's dealing with the pressure nor has some type of issue and somebody that's truly a danger to themselves on others invite everybody didn't he joined many of us are going to be out there saturday morning nine o'clock at the state capitol uh... in support of our of our constitutional rights we appreciate your gums guns that have freed us doens't have protected us arm that law-abiding citizenry that have provided for ourself what the ritz defense of our person defense of our family defense of our property in just a general defense of a community it's wood and since this country begin please join us there also a very special saturday morning business matters uh... from going to have to now we're going to talk about the informative program saturday morning the better business bureau wait to hear this games that are going on out there out in our state specially after the storms you don't wanna miss business matters that eight o'clock saturday morning we're gonna be highlighting many of those scams but uh... i'll go to phone because they called in right at the last minute uh... i can't give you a lot of time but will give you some time welfare with of then this is a edsel yet so what about the military coming back from afghanistan eppadi psychological or emotional problems you we have a right to have a gun why do men should be done in an individual just because somebody would want to hurt urself doesn't equate although her others many times uh... they're going to a tough time so i don't want to make that kind of medical judgment but that is an issue i don't think they should be dealt part shadi shown between military and civilian what does that about partiality again i think they should be judged an individual basis generalizations are usually kind of tough to make that's what we're talking about tonight one end and you want to be careful with uh... they've been a lot of diagnosis of of bt s d coming out of the military and we want to be made p_g_ s_b_a_ doesn't necessarily mean that there's any violent nature of any contact edsall thank you for your call concern though about that so i don't mean that hang up but anybody but uh... we cater to the calls i know you want to get in where all the time nine o'clock tomorrow nine o'clock level one hour show tomorrow join me at nine o'clock the conversation will go on keith thanks for joining us tonight thank you