Herman And Sharron - Guests eddie & sandi donnally - Ride the white horse

>>MUSIC ♪ >> IT'S TIME. >> MUSIC ♪ >> MUSIC ♪ >> IT'S TIME. >> ♪ >> IT'S TIME FOR HERMAN AND SHARRON. >> I LOVE YOU, YOU SEE, I HAVE GOT A REAL LONG LOVE, BECAUSE, THEY SHOOT ME COME AND THAT TAKES A WHILE TO SHOOT ME. SO HOW ARE YOU FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING TODAY? >> HELLO EVERYBODY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. >> WE STARTED OUT, WITH ALL OF THE GREAT MUSIC, INSIDE OF THE STUDIO, AND THEN IT JUST IT JUST DIES, AND IT BECOMES SO QUIET HERE, AND I'M THE KIND OF GUY, >> AND YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE NOISE AND ENTHUSIASM. AND RUNNING AROUND. >> AND SHE GETS IN MY CAR KIND I'M LISTENING TO MUSIC, IT IS WIDE OPEN. AND SHE WILL GET IN AND SHE WILL SAY, GOODNESS LIES AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU COULD HEAR A TRAIN COMING FOR AN AMBULANCE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. >> I AM KNOWN IS WHAT IS CALLED A BAPTICOSTAL. I HAVE GOT A LOT OF PENT-UP ENERGY INSIDE OF ME. >> AND YOU GOT A LOT OF PENT-UP THINGS ANYWAY. WE HAVE GOT TO GET RIGHT TO THIS TESTIMONY, THIS IS SO AMAZING. >> HE IS GOT AMAZING WIFE, ALSO. >> DOCTOR EDDIE DONNELLY AND HIS BEAUTIFUL WIFE SANDY IS WITH US TODAY, AND HE WAS A PROFESSIONAL HORSE JOCKEY, AND HE BECAME AND I MEAN, HE IS GOT A TESTIMONY AND I DO NOT WANT TO READ ALL OF THIS STUFF, AND HE IS GOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT A TESTIMONY HE HAS. >> HE WILL REMEMBER EVERYTHING HE HAS EVER DONE, AND HE IS GOING TO REVEAL THAT RIGHT HERE. >> WE ARE GOING TO MEET HIM RIGHT NOW. >> I WAS SO ATTRACTED TO THIS BOOK AND YOU'RE GOING HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THIS BOOK, AND THIS IS FANTASTIC. HE IS A PHENOMENAL WRITER, AND HE WILL FOR A NEWSPAPER AND HE GOT AN AWARD. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND HE IS JUST FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF ABILITY THAT GOD HAS GIVEN HIM, AND WHEN HE HEARD THIS SOUND. >> [TRUMPET] HORSERACE STARTING TRUMPET. >> LAUGHTER. >> THIS IS SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU. DOES THAT MAKE YOU WANT TO CLIMB ON? >> I'M READY. >> I LOVE THE WAY, THE GUYS AND THERE, AND THEY HAVE THIS, THEY STEP INTO THERE, THEN YOU GET UP ON THE HORSE. I HAD AN UNCLE AND WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS IN THE GREEN ROOM, P.J. BAILEY, AND HE WAS A GREAT WRITER, HE MADE A LOT OF MONEY, AND HE BLEW TONS OF MONEY, THAT IS AMAZING YOU MAKE TONS OF MONEY, FAST, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TENDENCY TO THINK, I GUESS, THE FAUCET WILL NEVER RUN DRY. >> THAT IS TRUE, THAT IS TRUE, I WAS TELLING YOU, AND THE FIRST YEAR THAT I RODE, I THINK I MADE MORE MONEY THAN MY FATHER DID IN ANY 10 YEARS OF HIS LIFE AS BEING A RAILROAD WORKMAN, AND I DID NOT HANDLE IT AT ALL, AND THAT IS DIFFICULT. >> YOU PURCHASED CARS? YOU LIVE THE HIGH LIFE? >> I PARTIED HARD. >> YOU BOUGHT A LOT OF THREADS? >> I HAD SYPHILIS WHEN I WAS 18. >> AND I MEAN, THAT CAN KILL YOU, UNLESS YOU TAKE A LOT OF PENICILLIN. >> I THINK I HAD 40 SHOTS. >> AND IN FACT, I THINK THAT KILLED AL CAPONE IMPRISONED? THEY NEVER DEALT WITH IT, AND THEY SAID THAT WENT TO HIS BRAIN. AND DO YOU SEE THE HISTORY THAT I HAVE GOT? IT IS WORTHLESS. >> DO YOU SEE WHAT GOD IS SAVED ME FROM? >> THAT IS RIGHT, THAT IS RIGHT, THE PROFESSIONAL HORSE JOCKEY, AND YOU WON THE ECLIPSE AWARD FOR THE NEWSPAPER WRITING, AND I MEAN, DID YOU KNOW YOU HAD THAT KIND OF GIFT? >> I'LL ALWAYS LIKE TO WRITE, AND WHEN I FIRST THOUGHT OF BEING A JOCKEY, AND I WENT TO SCHOOL TO STUDY JOURNALISM AND BY THE TIME I RETIRED FROM WRITING, I HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED BY EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI. AND I STEPPED INTO A ROLE, AS A PUBLICITY DIRECTOR FOR THE TAMPA BAY DOWNS HERE IN FLORIDA, AND ACTUALLY, AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, AND THE YEAR BEFORE I WAS INDICTED FOR RACE FIXING, AND THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW ME ON THE TRACK. AND THE NEXT YEAR, GEORGE STEINBRENNER, WHO WAS CO-OWNER OF THE TRACK, HE HIRED ME AS A PUBLICITY DIRECTOR. >> AND USUALLY, WHEN I HAVE GUYS ON THAT ARE VERY BIG, I HAVE THEM STAND UP, AND THEN I STAND NEXT TO THEM, AND IT MAKES ME LOOK I FELL INTO THE FLOOR. AND THIS GUY, IS THE SIZE OF A JOCKEY AND MY UNCLE, HE WAS FOUR FOOT ELEVEN. AND WHAT IS YOUR HEIGHT? >> I'M ABOUT FIVE FEET FOUR INCHES. >> AND YOU ARE THE HEIGHT OF MY FATHER? AND HE WAS ABOUT FIVE FEET TALL. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FIVE FEET THREE INCHES TALL. >> AND I WAS TELLING HIM, I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A JOCKEY AND MY UNCLE, P.J. BAILEY, AND IN THE 1950S, HE WAS MAKING ABOUT $100,000 PER YEAR, AND HE SAID HE MADE ABOUT $100,000 PER YEAR. AND ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE JUST LIKE HAM AND EGGS. AND THAT WAS HIS TERM. AND IF YOU DID NOT MAKE THE KIND OF MONEY HE DID, YOU WOULD BE "A HAM AND EGGER." I USED TO, I WOULD ADMIRE HIS CLOTHING, AND HE HAD CUSTOM-MADE SHOES, OF ALL KINDS OF ALLIGATOR AND CROCODILE AND LIZARD, AND OSTRICH AND THE DIFFERENT COLORS. AND OF COURSE, HE DROVE GORGEOUS CADILLACS, HE HAD T-BIRDS, AND HE HAD A HOME IN FOREST HILLS NEW YORK AND I MEAN, HE LOOKED LIKE A MOVIE STAR. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD? >> YES, THAT CERTAINLY WAS, AND YOU ARE RECOGNIZED IN THE RESTAURANTS YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY THINKS YOU NOTED THE NAME OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER AND THE NEXT COURSE IT IS GOING TO WIN. YES, YES, AND YOU DEVELOP A ENTOURAGE WHEN YOU ARE VERY YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR LIFE AND WE ARE WILLING TO SUPPLY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU LIKE TO PARTAKE OF. >> YOU ARE A JOCKEY FOR 20 YEARS? >> I DID, AND I RODE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. I HAD ABOUT 10,000 RACES. >> AND HOW CLOSE, THERE ARE SO MANY GUYS, JOCKEYS, THEY FALL AND THEY ARE PARALYZED. AND EDDIE R CAROL? >> I'VE GOT A GOOD FRIEND, RONNIE TURCOT, AND HE RODE SECRETARIAT AND HE IS A FRIEND OF MINE TODAY, AND HE IS A CHRISTIAN AND WE OFTEN TALK AND I PRAY. AND HE RODE SECRETARIAT FOR THE TRIPLE CROWN IN 1972. AND I KNOW RONNIE VERY WELL AND HE IS NOW ONE OF ABOUT 50 JOCKEY PARAPLEGICS. >> OH REALLY? >> RACING ACCIDENTS. AND MANY OF THEM GO HEADFIRST. YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE MOST JOCKEYS, I WILL TELL YOU, I BROKE 13 BONES AND I WAS VERY LUCKY, I THINK OF MYSELF THAT WAY. BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. >> NOW, I NEVER KNEW THIS, AND I NEVER SHARED THIS, BUT YOU, AND HE USED AN ELECTRIC PROD? >> AND YES, AND >> AND THAT WAS IN YOUR HANDS? AND THAT WAS ILLEGAL? >> OH, YES, I COULD'VE BEEN RULED WAY FOR A LIFETIME, >> BUT I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT WIPE IS WORSE THAN THE PROD. >> USED INCORRECTLY, AND OFTEN IT IS, AND HE CAN BE >> AND YOU CAN SEE THEM JUST BEATING THAT HORSE. >> AND SOMETIMES IF YOU HIT A HORSE UNDER THE STOMACH AND INSTEAD OF ON THE RUMP THAT DOES REALLY HURT OF COURSE. I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE WON MORE RACES IF I HAD NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO CARRY A STICK PROBABLY. AND AS FAR AS MACHINES AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, >> AND YOU HAD TO HIDE THIS IN YOUR HAND? >> AND YES, THERE WAS A PIECE IN THE BOOK, AND I WAS AT CHURCHILL DOWNS BEFORE THE KENTUCKY DERBY AND THERE WERE ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE IN THE GRANDSTANDS, AND I HAD ONE IN MY HAND. AND THE TONGUE-TIE THAT GOES AROUND THE HORSES MOUTH, AND THAT FELL OFF AND THE TRAINER MUST PUT THAT ON IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY AND THEY HAD TO PAGE THE TRAINER TO PUT ON THE TONGUE-TIE. IN THE MEANTIME, I WAS WALKING AROUND IN FRONT OF 40,000 PEOPLE ON CAMERA WITH SOMETHING IN MY HAND, THAT COULD HAVE RULED ME OUT FOR A LIFETIME. IT WAS VERY SCARY, AND THEN I DECIDED COME AND I SAID, I DON'T NEED TO DO THIS AGAIN. I DID NOT. >> BUT YOU DID IT ENOUGH TIMES BEFORE THAT? AND WHAT WAS ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND SO THAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS I COULD NOT SEE IT WHILE YOU ARE RACING? >> YES, AND GENERALLY, I WOULD CARRY MY WEAPON IN MY RIGHT HAND. >> AND YOU THINK THEY STILL DO THAT? >> YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ASK ME THIS, AND IS RACING CROOKED? AND I THINK, AND I THINK RACING IS EXTREMELY WELL-REGULATED AS A SPORT, AND IT IS HUGELY REGULATED AS A SPORT, BUT I THINK ANY TIME YOU HAVE PEOPLE AND MONEY, AND WHATEVER THE INDUSTRY IS, AND MAYBE BANKING OR WALL STREET OR OTHERWISE, AND YOU HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF CHICANERY. >> AND YOU TALK ABOUT A BOOK, AND WHEN YOU USE THAT, AND IT WAS LIKE, AND YOU WOULD BE A COUPLE LINKS BEHIND, AND THEY WOULD BE GAINING ON YOU, AND YOU COULD PRESS THE PROD, ON THE NECK, AND MAN, THAT SUCKER WOULD TAKE OFF? >> AND IT WOULD BE CERTAIN HORSES WHO LEARN TO CHEAT. AND THIS IS NOT AFFECTING THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER HORSES, AND 95 PERCENT OF THE HORSES AND WE TRY AS HARD AS THEY CAN AND THEY LOVE TO RUN AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. BUT THERE ARE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF HORSES THAT ARE PROBABLY SMARTER THAN THOSE AS A LEARN TO CHEAT A LITTLE BIT, AND SOMETIMES, IT IS HARD FOR THEM TO RUN, AND ON THOSE TYPES OF HORSES, AND THEY ARE VERY RARE AND THAT IS VERY EFFECTIVE. >> WHEN DID YOU ATTEMPT SUICIDE? >> I ATTEMPTED SUICIDE WHEN I BECAME A SPORTS WRITER, AND I WAS AND I WENT THROUGH A *** TRAUMA WHEN I WAS AND MY MOTHER DIED WHEN I WAS FIVE AND MY GRANDMOTHER DIED WHEN I WAS 12 AND I WENT TO LIVE WITH MY STEPPARENTS, AND MY STEPBROTHER OF MINE, AND WE HAD A *** ESCAPADE, AND I SUFFERED TRAUMA. >> AND YOU ARE BISEXUAL? >> AND WHEN I DIVORCED, AND THAT WAS THE MOST PAINFUL THING IN MY LIFE I THINK, THE MOST TRAUMATIC IN MY LIFE I WENT INTO THAT LIFESTYLE AND I LIVE THAT LIFESTYLE FOR ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. >> WHILE YOU WERE RACING? >> I WAS A SPORTS WRITER, AND I WROTE FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS. I DID THAT FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND THEN, I HOSTED A TV PROGRAM, AND I DID A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THIS WAS DURING THAT TIME. >> AND THEN YOU GOT INTO ***? RIGHT? >> I WAS, AND I WENT FROM, I WAS IN HOUSTON, AND I WENT FROM DOING MY OWN TV SHOW, ON A HORSERACING NETWORK AND WRITING FOR THE AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN AT THAT POINT, AND I WAS LIVING ON THE BACKSTRETCH OF THE RACETRACK, BECAUSE AN ADDICTION TO CRACK ***. AND ACTUALLY, THE TRAINER WHO HIRED ME WAS A VERY FAMOUS TRAINER BY THE NAME OF JACK VANDBURG, AND SEVEN YEARS BEFORE, I HAD COVERED THE DERBY FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, AND I COVERED HIS WINNINGS WITH ALEX SHIVA, AND THEN SEVEN YEARS LATER, AND BECAUSE OF MY ADDICTION TO CRACK ***, I WOUND UP WORKING AS A GROOMSMAN. >> AND YOU WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIVORCES? >> I DID. >> AND ALL OF THAT, AND BECAUSE OF YOUR LIFESTYLE? >> I WAS NOT AND I >> YOU WERE NOT MARRIAGE MATERIAL? >> I PROBABLY WAS NOT, AND BECAUSE, AND WHEN GOD TOUCHED MY LIFE, AND I WAS IN THE JAIL CELL, AND GOD FOOT THE RIGHT WOMAN IN FRONT OF ME THIS IS SANDY, GOD BLESS HER, >> HOW DID YOU MEET SANDY? >> I MET HER AT THE LOS ANGELES DREAM CENTER. >> YOU KNOW, JIM BAKER MET HIS WIFE THERE. >> AND YES, THAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS RIGHT. I KNEW JIM BAKER THERE AND I WENT TO THIS BIBLE STUDY SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I WAS THERE. AND HE WAS THERE WHEN I WAS THERE. AND WE WERE BOTH IN THE BIBLE CLASSES, AND SHE WAS GETTING READY TO GO BACK TO NEW ORLEANS, AND I WAS OF COURSE, I WAS ENAMORED WITH SERVING GOD AND STREET MINISTRY AND WHATEVER AND DOING MINISTRY 16 HOURS PER DAY, AND WE HAD A CLASS AND I CAME HOME, THE CLASS WAS ENDING AND SHE WAS LEAVING, AND THEN I SAT DOWN, I WAS IN A LITTLE ONE ROOM, AND GOD SPOKE TO ME TO GO BACK AND MEET THIS WOMAN. >> DID YOU SEE HER BEFORE? >> AND YES AND WE WERE IN CLASS TOGETHER. AND SHE ACING ALL OF THE TEST. AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT, AND SO, AND I WAS SITTING ON THE BED, AND I WAS ARGUING THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND FINALLY I GAVE IN, AND WERE HAVING AN AFTER DINNER CELEBRATION AT A RESTAURANT TO COMMEMORATE THE END OF THE CLASS AND WE WENT TO THE RESTAURANT TOGETHER, AND SEVEN MONTHS LATER WE WERE MARRIED. >> SANDY? >> YEAH >> AND WHEN YOU STARTED GIVING YOUR OPINION? >> I ALWAYS SAY, I WAS ON MY WAY TO NEW ORLEANS, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR BOXES, AND I FOUND A HUSBAND. >> AND YOU WERE LEAVING THE CENTER? >> I WAS GONNA GO BACK TO NEW ORLEANS, AND I WAS GOING TO PACK UP, AND I HAD SOME BOXES PACKED UP >> AND YOUR LIFE BEFORE THE GUY THAT YOU ARE SITTING NEXT TO, AND HE WAS AND HOW WAS THAT? >> AND I WAS, I WAS IN SOME DARK PLACES MYSELF. >> AND THE DREAM CENTER, >> AND THE DREAM CENTER? >> AND PREVIOUSLY TO THAT? AND I MEAN THE DREAM CENTER, THAT IS AMAZING, AND THE FORMER LIFE AND LORI, [BAKER] THAT AND I MEAN, THE 5 ABORTIONS. >> HOW DID YOU COME TO KNOW THE LORD ON YOUR OWN? >> I WAS IN HOLLYWOOD, AND I WAS DOING SOME PERFORMING, AND I WAS ACTUALLY WITH, A FAMOUS PERSON, DON KNOTTS, >> AND IS HE REALLY FUNNY? >> YES, AND HE THOUGHT I WAS FUNNY. >> OKAY, AND HE GOT HIS MATERIAL FROM YOU? AND HE TOLD ME I SHOULD BE THE WRITER. AND ANYWAY, I JUST RAN INTO A SATANIC GROUP, A CULT, AND I GUESS I WAS LIKE PAUL, AND GOD HAD TO SLAP ME DOWN, AND I WAS ON MY KNEES, AND I WAS PRAYING TO GOD TO HELP ME, AND THEY WERE STALKING ME, >> YOU MEAN WHO? >> THE CULT, THEY WERE STALKING ME. THERE WERE SO MANY WEIRD THINGS HAPPENING, SUPERNATURALLY, AND SUPERNATURALLY, AND I WAS ON MY KNEES IN MY BEDROOM, AND I WANTED GOD TO HELP ME AT 3 AM IN THE MORNING, AND THAT WAS 1987, AND I COULD REMEMBER THIS SO CLEARLY, AND I WAS CRYING, ON MY BED, AND A LIGHT CAME OVER ME, AND I LEVITATED, AND I COULD SEE MYSELF, AND ALL OF THE MIRRORS. >> DID YOU HAVE A HIT OF LSD? >> NO. NO. AND I JUST RAN FROM ALL KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING, AND I ALMOST, AND I GOT THE FEELING, BUT I WAS QUIET, AND I WAS IN AWE AND FEAR, AND MY BODY BEGAN TO SHAKE, AND I SAW A BLACK ENTITY LEAVE FROM MY FEET, AND I WAS LOWERED DOWN, IT WAS SO PEACEFUL, AND THEN I GOT UP, AND THEN I HAD ALL OF HIS ADRENALINE, AND I FELT SO LIGHT, AND I HAD BEEN SO HEAVY. AND NOW, IT WAS ODD. AND GOD SAVED ME. >> AND SO FROM THAT TIME ON? WHERE DID YOU GO? >> FROM THAT TIME, I DID NOT KNOW ANY CHRISTIANS, AND SO, AND THE NEXT MORNING, I WENT TO A BOOKSTORE, AND I WAS TAKEN TO THE SUPERNATURAL SECTION, AND I GOT A BOOK, AND I WAS READING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. AND FROM THEN ON, I WAS SEARCHING >> AND HOW DID YOU GET OUT? BUT HOW DID YOU GET TO THE DREAM CENTER? >> AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT GIVING THE MINISTRY, WITH A LADY, AND SHE HAD BEEN THAT THE DREAM CENTER, AND THEN I WENT THERE, AND I WAS AT THE HOPE FOR THE HOMELESS, WITH PASTOR CLAYTON, AND I WAS HELPING HIM AND THEN, A MAN, TOLD ME ABOUT THE BIBLE CLASS, THE DREAM CENTER, AND >> HE WAS TEACHING? >> AND THAT WAS PASTOR BUD? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> AND SO, AND I SAID, I'M GOING TO BE GOING BACK TO NEW ORLEANS, THEY TOLD ME THAT I COULD DO THIS THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE, AND I SAID, OH, REALLY? AND THAT WAS THE HIATUS OF THE SUMMER, AND THIS IS HOW I GOT INTO THE CLASS, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CLASS I HAD TAKEN. AND I WAS GOING TO TAKE THE REST BACK HOME. >> AND WHEN DID YOU MEET EDDIE? >> RIGHT IN THAT CLASS. >> WE MET IN THE BIBLE CLASS >> WERE YOUR EYES LOCKED? >> YES. YOU KNOW HERMAN, I WAS NOT EXACTLY SPITTING, AND I WILL BE HONEST, AND I AM NOW, >> AND THIS IS A LONG PROCESS? >> I WAS SO FOCUSED AND I THINK THIS IS A LESSON FOR OTHERS, AND I WAS SO FOCUSED UPON GOD AND DOING HIS WORK AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY ALL-CONSUMING EFFORT AT THAT TIME, AND I THINK, THE LESSON IS, AND WHEN YOU ON GOD, AND WHEN YOU FOCUS ON THE WORK OF JESUS, THAT IS THE TIME THAT GOD WAS THE RIGHT PERSON IN YOUR LIFE. >> AND A BIG PART OF YOUR LIFE, AND WHAT I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT, AND THAT IS GOING FROM THE GUY THAT WAS LIVING LIKE THE DEVIL, TO BEING AND TO MEETING THE LORD, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN BETWEEN? HOW DID IT HAPPEN? >> AND I TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE, AND ONE NIGHT, AND THAT WAS SHORTLY AFTER MY DIVORCE, AND I TOOK 36 XANAX TO THE FLOOR, AND THE ONLY REASON I AM ALIVE IS BECAUSE OF IT END OF MINE COME AND MY FORMER WIFE... SHE HAD A KEY TO THE HOUSE, AND SHE CAME TO CHECK ON ME OR I WOULD'VE BEEN DEAD. I LIVED A LIFE THAT WAS SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS, AND SAME-SEX LIFESTYLE, FOR MANY YEARS, THAT IS A VERY DANGEROUS LIFESTYLE, AND I BECAME ADDICTED TO CRACK ***, AND GOD HEALED ME FROM AN ADDICTION TO CRACK *** FROM ONE VERSE FROM THE BIBLE. I HAD LEFT HOUSTON AND WE HAD GONE TO CALIFORNIA TO WORK AS A GROOM, AND BEFORE I COULD GET TO THE RACETRACK, I WAS STAYING IN A LITTLE MOTEL ACROSS STREET, AND THE FIRST NIGHT THERE, THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE >> AND YOU WILL WORKING FOR THE HORSES? GROOMING THE HORSES? >> YEAH, YEAH, AND I WENT FROM BEING A JOCKEY, AND I WAS AN AWARD WINNER, AND I WAS BEING A GROOM. >> AND NOW YOU ARE JUST WALKING THEM AROUND? >> YES, TAKING CARE OF THE HORSES. AND I WANTED TO GET HIGH, AND WHEN I SAW THE DRUG DEALERS, I KNEW I COULD TRADE SOME THINGS. AND I WAS STILL COMING OFF OF AN ADDICTION. CRACK *** IS A VERY SEVERE ADDICTION, I WAS REALLY CRUELLY ADDICTED AT THAT TIME IN MY LIFE. AND I WANTED TO GET SET FREE, BUT I KNEW IF I WENT BACK AT THAT TIME, AND I DON'T THINK I WOULD'VE NOT NOW, AND I WAS ON THE FLOOR, I WANTED GOD TO HELP ME, AND I WOULD BACK TO MY CAR, AND I HAD A BIBLE IN MY CAR AND I HAD BEEN SAVED AT SOME POINT, AND I THOUGHT I HAD, AND I GOT OUT MY BIBLE AND I SAID GOD, PLEASE SHOW ME A VERSE. AND I OPENED THE BIBLE, AND IT FELL OPEN TO ISAIAH 43, AND I LOOKED UP AND DOWN, AND I FOUND VERSE 19 AND IT SAYS, I WILL DO A NEW THING, AND WILL YOU NOT KNOW IT? IT WILL SPRING FORTH, AND I WILL MAKE A PATH IN THE WILDERNESS, AND THEY WILL SPRING FORTH IN THE DESERT, AND GOD SPOKE SO DEEPLY INTO MY HEART, WITH THAT ONE VERSE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ROCK OF CRACK ***. >> YOU ARE HEALED? >> YES, I WAS HEALED BY THEN. BUT I DID NOT RESUME THE TYPE OF LIFESTYLE, AND I WAS LIVING ON THE RACETRACK, AND I WANTED TO GET OUT. I MET A WOMAN WHO WAS VERY KIND TO ME, AND SHE OFFERED ME A JOB. AND I WORKED FOR A COMPANY, AND WE LIVE TOGETHER, THAT IS THE WRONG THING TO DO, AND, I COULD NOT MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP. I WAS FAR AWAY FROM THE LORD AGAIN. AND I WOUND UP HITTING HER, AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS WITH ANOTHER GUY, I WAS MANIC DEPRESSIVE, I TOOK LITHIUM FOR SEVEN YEARS, I HAVE BEEN IN TWO PSYCHIATRIC WARDS AND I WAS BASICALLY MENTALLY ILL, AND I HIT HER, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I EVER DID IN MY LIFE, AND SHE CAME TO CHRIST THROUGH THIS ODDLY ENOUGH, AND THAT'S IN THE BOOK, AND I WOUND UP IN THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY JAIL. AND THAT IS WHERE I NEEDED TO BE. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE END OF MY LIFE, AND I WAS 50 SOMETHING YEARS OLD AND I WAS FACING A FELONY CHARGE OF ASSAULT. AND I WAS SHACKLED TO ANOTHER YOUNG MAN, AND I WAS NOT YOUNG, BUT A YOUNG MAN, AND HE WAS GOING DOWN TO HIS PRETRIAL HEARING, AND I HAD BEEN TO CHAPEL, AND THE CHAPLAIN HAD GIVEN ME A BIBLE. AND I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO HOLD THE BIBLE IN MY HAND. AND I GOT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUS, AND THIS WAS IN MY BACK POCKET, I WAS SHACKLED AND CHAINED ALL THE WAY, AND I HAD TO GO BACK AND GET THIS, AND THE PEOPLE WERE MAKING FUN OF ME ON THE BUS AND LAUGHING AT ME. AND MAKING FUN OF ME. AND I JUST KNEW I WANTED TO GET THE BIBLE IN MY HAND, AND I MANAGED TO GET THE BIBLE OUT, AND THE YOUNG MEN THAT I WAS WITH, AND I DO NOT EVEN KNOW HIS NAME, WE PRAY FOR A MIRACLE AND WE SAID GOD, PLEASE DO A MIRACLE FOR US. AND WE GOD AND JAIL CELL, AND ONE AT A TIME, AND WITHIN TO BE, TO GO TO TRIAL, THE YOUNG MAN CAME OUT, 30 SOMETHING YEARS OLD, AND HE HAS BEEN GIVEN 25 YEARS, FOR A THIRD STRIKE FOR A MISDEMEANOR. AND HE SAT DOWN AND BEGAN TO CRY, AND I KNOW THE MAN THAT WAS IN THE CHURCH, AND HE WAS A TEACHING ELDER IN HIS CHURCH, AND THE ONLY REASON HE WAS THERE, AND GOD WANTED HIM THERE, BUT BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN OUT FISHING WITH HIS SON, AND THEY CHECKED HIS LICENSE, AND HE HAD A 12-YEAR-OLD WARRANT, AND HE WAS A GUY WHO WAS GOING TO WALK AS SOON AS HE SAW A JUDGE. HE STARTED PREACHING, AND IT WAS A BIG HEAVYSET DRUG DEALER WHO GOT UP AND STARTED TESTIFYING ABOUT GOD, AND SAYING, A GUN WAS PUT TO HIS HEAD ONE WEEK FOUR, AND THE GOING TO MISFIRED AND HE KNEW GOD HAD SAVED HIS LIFE. AND THEN I STARTED TESTIFYING A LITTLE BIT, AND I HAVE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, WITH SOME RESPECTS. >> AND YOUR LIFE WAS CHANGED THERE? >> WELL, YES, >> WE ONLY HAVE A LITTLE TIME. >> OKAY, AND ONE OF THE MOST MARVELOUS THINGS HAPPEN, AND HE STARTED PREACHING FROM THE BOOK OF JAMES, AND HE SAID, COUNT IT ALL JOY WHEN YOU FALL INTO VARIOUS TYPES OF TEMPTATIONS, AND THE WHOLE JAIL CELL FILLED UP WITH A HAZE, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE SHEKINAH GLORY. >> AND WAS THERE SMOKE IN THERE? >> I THINK IT WAS GOD, AND I THINK IT WAS HIS GLORY, AND EVERYBODY IN THE JAIL CELL, AND THEY WERE DOWN ON THEIR KNEES PRAYING, AND THEY WERE PROSTRATE ON THE FLOOR PRAYING, AND WE ALL STOOD UP AND HELD HANDS AND WE WANTED GOD TO COME INTO OUR LIVES. AND I THINK GOD CHANGE DOES. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR SENTENCE? >> IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER WORLD, AND LIKE ANOTHER DIMENSION, AND IT WAS SO FOREIGN TO WHAT I COULD SEE NOW HIS REALITY >> HOW TO YOU GET OUT? >> THROUGH AND NOT A MIRACLE, GOD GOT ME OUT OF THE JAIL, AND I WAS LET GO FOR 16 DAYS, AND I WENT TO THE DREAM CENTER, AND I HAD BEEN IN THE MINISTRY EVERY DAY SINCE. >> AND BOOM, YOU SAW SANDY? >> OH, YES. AND WE DID A LOT OF STREET MINISTRY TOGETHER. >> DID YOU REALLY? >> AND WELL, AND IN CONJUNCTION AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE MINISTRY, AND I WAS WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS YOUNG PEOPLE. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON, TO THE WHITEHORSE IDEA, BECAUSE, OVER HERE, AND WENT OVER HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE WHITEHORSE. AND THAT IS AND THAT IS MY OLD BUDDY, MAX CRINER, AND HE IS A SCULPTOR, AND I BROUGHT THAT DOWN, JUST A COUSIN I HAD EDDIE WITH ME, AND YOU TALK ABOUT, THE ONLY TIME A THOROUGHBRED WAS WHITE, AND TELL THAT STORY. >> AND THE WHITE THOROUGHBRED? HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? >> JUST KEEP GOING. >> THE WHITE THOROUGHBRED, AND THE REASON I NAMED THE BOOK THE WHITEHORSE, A CHECKERED JOCKEYS A STORY OF RACING AND RAGE AND REDEMPTION, BECAUSE OF THE WHITEHORSE SYMBOLISM WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN WORLD, AND WITHIN MY WORLD AS A JOCKEY, AND WHEN I FIRST WENT TO WORK, AND THE FIRST THOROUGHBRED I WAS EVER SITTING ON WAS THE MOTHER OF THE FIRST WHITE THOROUGHBRED REGISTERED. AND I BECAME THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE RACETRACK CHAPLAIN. >> TOO MANY DETAILS. >> AND, I STARTED THE WHITEHORSE AWARD, AND WE GIVE THAT TO THE UNDERSERVED RACING WORKERS, AND I THINK, THIS WAS AT CHURCHILL DOWNS, IN 2006, AND A MAN, WARREN ROSENTHAL, AND HE STARTED LONG JOHN SILVERS, AND HE HAD ALL OF THE WHITE HORSES, AND HE BOUGHT THE FARMER I HAD WORKING, ACTUALLY. AND I CONVINCED HIM TO BRING A WHITEHORSE TO THE RACETRACK. >> THAT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE? >> NO, AND THEY PUT A, AND THEY PUT A SADDLE ON THE HORSE, FAITHFUL AND TRUE, AND THIS WAS FROM THE BACKSTRETCH, UNDERGROUND TO THE WINNERS CIRCLE, AND THE ANNOUNCER, HE ANNOUNCED TO THE 40,000 PEOPLE THERE, WHAT THE WHITEHORSE MEANS TO CHRISTIANS. >> AND WHAT DID HE SAY? >> HE TALKED ABOUT THE WHITEHORSE FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION. HE IS COMING BACK AND JESUS IS COMING BACK ON A WHITEHORSE. >> AND HEY DAVE, I WANT YOU TO GET A GOOD SHOT OF THAT, AND JUST GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD, AND THAT SOMEDAY AND SOMEDAY FOLKS, THERE IS RIGHT THERE, LOOK AT THAT, AND THAT WILL, AND THE REASON YOU SEE THIS, THIS WAS DIPPED INTO BLOOD, AND FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION, >> REVELATION 19:11 >> HE KNOWS. >> I HAVE SHARED THIS A LOT, AND THIS HAS GOT SUCH A POWERFUL CONNOTATION FOR ME. >> CHURCHILL DOWNS AND STAY ON THAT, AT CHURCHILL DOWNS, THE GUY WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE AND ON THE ON THE COVER BEFORE THE SADDLE GOES ON, THE CLOTHE OVER THE HORSE IS WHAT? >> FAITHFUL AND TRUE. AND ON ONE SIDE, IT SAID, FAITHFUL AND TRUE. >> THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE. AND WE ARE HEARING ABOUT WHAT IS COMING IN THE FUTURE. >> THE RETURN OF JESUS ON THE WHITEHORSE. >> AND WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU ARE HEARING THIS? >> AND I WAS THINKING THIS WAS A WONDERFUL WAY TO SHARE MY FAITH, AND THIS WAS A WONDERFUL WAY TO SHARE MY FAITH IN WHAT I BELIEVE AND THIS IS SO GERMANE TO RACING AND BECAUSE OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE WHITEHORSE AND ALL OF THE CONTROVERSY AND ATTENTION ON THE ACTUAL WHITE THOROUGHBRED, THIS IS PROPHETIC, TOO, HERMAN. >> ISN'T THAT AMAZING? >> IT IS, AND YOU HAVE HAD, BOTH OF YOU, THE REASON I WANTED TO TELL YOUR STORY, AND I MEAN, AND MY GOOD FRIEND JIM BAKER, AND LORI, AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, HE WAS SENTENCED TO 45 YEARS, AND I MEAN, THEY DON'T EVEN DO THAT TO MURDERERS. FOR GOODNESS SAKES BECAUSE, HE OVERBILLED ON A HOTEL, THAT WAS NOT TRUE, AND THEN HE MEETS LORI, AND SHE HAD GONE THROUGH A LIFE IN VEGAS, AND FIVE ABORTIONS, AND LIKE YOU GUYS, AND THE DREAM CENTER IS A MIRACLE. >> IT IS, AND GOD CAN RESTORE YOU. >> IT IS A CITY OF REFUGE, >> IN LA? >> IT IS A BOOT CAMP AND THIS IS WHAT IT WAS, AND I WAS WITH A MINISTRY CALLED METRO KIDS, AND THAT IS AN INNER-CITY MINISTRY OF CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN IN THE PROGRAM AND I HAD JUST GOTTEN OUT OF JAIL, AND FOR SOME REASON, GOD PUT ME ON THE FAST TRACK AND I WAS ACTUALLY ORDAINED AS A FOURSQUARE PASTOR LESS THAN FIVE YEARS AFTER I GOT OUT OF THE JAIL CELL.. >> AND YOU ARE DOCTOR, EDDIE DONNELLY. AND I MEAN, THIS GUY KEY CAN DO ANYTHING. AND I WANT YOU TO LOOK INTO THE CAMERA, AND SHARE CHRIST WITH SOMEBODY. >> YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE REAL REASON I WROTE THE BOOK. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME, >> AND LOOK AT THEM IN THE EYES. >> AND THIS IS ABOUT WHAT JESUS HAS DONE IN MY LIFE, JESUS PERFORMED A WHOLE SERIES OF MIRACLES IN MY LIFE, AND HE BROUGHT ME OUT OF SAME-SEX PROMISCUITY, DRUG ABUSE, MENTAL ILLNESS, SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, AND I COULD GO ON AND ON, AND MY MESSAGE IS, THAT JESUS CAN BRING YOU OUT OF THE SAME THING, AND HE HAS NO FAVORITES. WHAT GOD DID FOR ME, HE CAN DO FOR YOU AND GOD WANTS TO DO THIS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. >> YES HE DOES. >> AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST AND IF YOU ARE THERE, AND YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THESE THINGS, AND YOU ARE HURTING, AND THERE ARE SO MANY HURTING PEOPLE OUT THERE, JUST SAY GOD HELP ME, AND GOD COME INTO MY LIFE, AND FORGIVE ME, AND GIVE ME A NEW LIFE. LORD, LORD, I PRAY RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS WATCHING AND THEY MIGHT HAVE A FRIEND EVEN, WHO IS GOING AND MAYBE AN ACQUAINTANCE, OR A RELATIVE WHO IS GOING THROUGH THESE THINGS, AND IF WE KNOW THE LORD, AND PUT THEM IN THESE OTHER LIVES, BECAUSE, THIS BOOK IS REALLY ABOUT OF THEM, LORD, AND I MEAN, I WANT TO TESTIFY TO THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH, BUT LORD, I WANT TO GO TO THE HURTING PEOPLE AND THE LOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS AND LORD BE WITH THEM AND TOUCH THEM RIGHT NOW AND THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. AMEN AND AMEN. >> GOD BLESS YOU AND BYE-BYE. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ CAPTIONED BY STAFF OF CTN ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪