Have We Got Co - Production news for you - Episode two - With audio description

Hello again and welcome to the second episode of, 'Have we got co-production news for you?' We have four special guests on the panel: Andrew Cozens, Chair of the Carers Trust and freelance consultant. Julia Slay, who is a senior researcher at the New Economics Foundation. Andrea Sutcliffe, who was Chief Executive at SCiE when this filmed and is now chief inspector of Adult Social Care. Raymond Johnson, who is training and office manager at People First. So, for the first question. Take a look at the four pictures in front of you. We have four things; a lift, a sausage roll, the Scottish countryside, and an easy-read document. Can you tell me what they all have in common with an important aspect of production? For the sausage roll, not a lot of people, they don't eat anything like pork or anything like that. This is a picture of Scotland and basically I think there's... some of it anyway, I think people could walk, it's like, it's possibly accessible. Correct! They all have to do with access and access is very essential in co-production. Okay, this is a tricky word to say but features very much in co-production. Can you tell me what the word reciprocity means? Ooh right. Bit of a mouthful, isn't it?. Reciprocity, reciprocity. So, to me. - Go on, keep on saying it. - Reciprocity. To me, I mean it is a mouthful, it is a mouthful. But it can be quite a useful way I think, of describing a situation where everybody has a part to play and whether there's give and take on all sides - whichever conversational piece of work we're involved in. So, that you don't just have one person, or one group of people doing things in quite a one-way fashion, to another group. So everybody has different roles to play, people's experience, their practical skills, their time, all of that can be part of what's happening and that... it's a very collaborative endeavour where there's a lot of give and take on both sides. So reciprocity means, all parties get something out of it. So it's very much looking at it as a strength based approach to working together. There are quite a few values of co-production, can you name me four? Trust, I think. You have to both trust the process but trust each other. So I think that's a good one. Equal value or equality - your perspective is equally valid whoever you are in the process. Nobody's more important than anybody else. Respecting each other but also a respect for what you're trying to achieve together. And then, erm... learning. Certainly all my experience of it's been that I've learnt more than I've contributed. I think that's important too. Here's a true or false question: Co-production is good for social care but not for health care? Can I come in? I think I'm gonna have to go with... that's false. Okay. But, I would say that there's an awful lot that health can learn from social care, about the way that we do co-production. Because, I think that there's a lot of work that we do, going back to the conversation we were having about reciprocity and sort of, lots of people being involved. All of the issues around thinking through accessibility, the values that we've talked about in this programme today. Those things drip out of the DNA, I think, of what we do in social care and I think that what we need to be doing is, kind of, shouting from the rooftops about how good co-production is, what we can do, what we can achieve together and actually try and make sure that those lessons are learnt across into those other systems. Particularly as so much health and social care happens together now. Absolutely right. So co-production can work both in social care and in health care and indeed at the same time. So, at the end of the quiz, the scores are... a draw. - Oh! Afraid so. But remember the real winners are those who take a co-productive approach to everything. So we're all winners here today. Yeah! There are plenty more film and written resources on the website to learn from. Bye for now from me and from all the co-production team. Thank you. Bye. Bye you guys.