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So good evening everyone. This is Mark Bernstein. Tonight's webinar
since I hope meeting resistance what causes conflict in our congregations
and had to deal with it you would like to think that conflict doesn't happen
ten are you you were out
after our status built on the principle of continental relationships
promises that we make to each other sadly
you use are also human beings
and using teams bumped into each other all the time
we look at work differently meet different motives and these
ways of communicating and coping and so we come into conflict
let me tell you what we see want
not talk about tonight we won't
talk about comment and how to create one
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so we won't be talking about cutting that's we also will be talking about
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congregations this terrific in very lean forward many have you
especially those who have taken help congregations training
no doubt are well-versed in it that Walt the
the focus apply presentation small
instead are we talking about conflict
that arises between individuals small group about complications
speak of rotations to a car because people don't see eye to eye
school because looking at things from totally different perspectives spot
because they're vying for control restored
over the congregation scared off by talking about dieting
and what causes people to become actual speaker things I T
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situations that arise from cops Spanx for being with me the same thing
and I hope this presentation stimulates my dearest
inspiration and motivation and play so I'm very very sorry about
first on we over the park a couple times during the webinar have some questions
that
I'm not opposed to you and if you are
from with a group of people actually if you are with you
which used tell us have on the chart but from
it might be it will be an opportunity to take two or three minutes talk about it
if you're not with a group
I will give you a couple minutes to
I'm reflect on the questions maybe let some things down that may be a bit share
later
that members of the congregation or share with me a
after the fact that the portion other presentation this time
from or if you don't want to do you are well *** great opportunity
to get another cup of coffee or go to the bathroom
except are an email
see you from which I hope you got a reminder of the
over the web Mr ways to accomplish some questions for you to think about
and um they all include
I'm with whom are you in conflict well with you miss a congregation
in conflict well as the talks with the bell and be as specific as you can
and then the third question which i think is the most intriguing
who's more responsible for the conflict you
with leadership for the other person
or personal so whether you're looking at this from
on the one on one perspective a conflict you're having
or a small group them
issue that's going on in the congregation you can apply what we talk
about it today
to these questions and arm and why do you think
that you or the other is more responsible what are the challenges have
leadership
is owning up to the fact that you may be the cause a conflict
where at least you're contributing to it in some way so as we go through this
information tonight's
seriously thinking love the examples that you came up with
at the end of last year to leave this webinar
I'm with the intent of hopefully doing something about it
so let's talk about just anxiety
his ID creates conflict
when people are anxious they're more likely to engage in conflict so
what causes anxiety among members in our congregation
well I think one thing is that people are
sure about their status in the congregation some particularly if you're
new
or even if they then in the congregation for many years we all want their
about what our role as a farce that assesses the congregation it might be
the stress is taking on responsibility is a congregational life
we want everyone to get involved in and helping
to do the work for the complication but for many people that's
edit stressed for those that aren't involving congregational life
it could be on clear expectations about the role or responsibilities
in engaging in that works and the congregation it could be a feeling of
not being heard
for valujet or respected by leaders are others
in the congregation it could be a basic lack of trust
in the congregational environment that
permeates things that happen in the congregation and that increased
people sense thanks I think for could be that people having society in other
aspects of their lives
and so they bring their set your baggage
into the wall so far complications which
so it seems to me and this is one of the the use of course
a our time this evening
is that the responsibility of congregational leaders
still create a supporter and positive environment
in order to minimize anxiety in this limit the occurrences situations
that lead to conflict said
it's a big responsibility but I think it's an important one
so I want to take our first partial the evening
and and have you think about
and perhaps just rush if you're in a group what are your leader so what are
you doing
to create an environment that minimizes anxiety
and I'm gonna you offer my suggestions in just a few minutes
well so what are you and/or your leaders doing to create an environment
that is faster and anxiety
I'm gonna take two minutes polished and Nash you think about that
or talk about that and then I'll come back on the audio
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taped if anyone would like this share any thoughts that they might have had
feel free to click on the chat box truck for everyone to read
sparked
so
let me share with you from my thoughts about how you create an environment that
minimizes anxiety
so number one
the fair defeat
congregation don't think that they're getting a fair shake they will resist
so it's important that leaders not play favorites
sheesh I'm that can you are can you hear me
guess I can
okay great I'm gonna I'm going to
try a video folks I'll which
which I have a number for infused why she was sure did you know
am and hope that this works
this was a study that was done is Emory University in Atlanta a few years ago
and I'm this particular study
was time with from with rhesus monkeys although I understand there
this study has been done with with other animals as well
and that the personal introduce this but let me just explain it
in case you missed some other the monkeys were trained
on a I'm simple task and the test was
to from take a rock and then give the right back to the researcher
when they do this they gonna reward
in the monkeys were trained on cucumbers and looking for work for two colors
but they're not too crazy about you cumbersome into really is
in this picturesque you gonna see I'm
they the first monkey gets a cucumber as as always
and then the such a smarty is rewarded with a great
and monkeys longer it's much more than cucumbers
and you'll see the reaction as the first multi just like
when I have talked extremity this recently finished a sufficient amount is
remembered on the top this is thinking that maybe with Hungary action and that
turned out to be right
the one on the left so there's no audio so I'll just cried
the monkey on the last year scrapes the 10 guess who's gonna do it the fastest
have to come back
is perfectly fine the first PC eats done are you folks have only okay great we'll
see what happens
so she gets a rock to less that's the task
and we give her a piece of to come and check it sets
yet on its to give a rock to us and that's what she does
and she gets a great it to the other one sees that
see give the rockpalast now I'll get sick and cucumber
the
the
she tests a rock now against the wall
think it's a given to us and she gets cue from again
I
mother had not you
so this is basically the wall street protests that you see here
the
so it just took one trial
for the mock you realize that she wasn't being treated fairly
and and he reacted in he a negative
in an aggressive way I'm not saying that members are our congregations will be
controlling
food at you but if people feel it is not being
treated fairly then that will cause anxiety
and it will its consulate so make sure
as leader so you don't play favorites the second way in which we can
create an environment that minimizes anxiety
is to ensure that everyone is being heard Martin Luther King said why once
is the language of the arm hurts by Alexis the language of the anchor text
if people in our congregations to not sure about the
for being heard then they will resort
two ways in which they will make sure that you're being heard
and again that might take the form of
rumors or gossip or third-party communication
were undermining the authority of the leadership
but people need to know that they're being heard
and as leaders it's our responsibility to do everything we can to worship the
freeway
is to over communicate but still expect
miscommunication the old marketing
adage 7 times in 7 different ways
make sense do your best to the open
in transparent and everything that goes on but despite your best efforts
know that there will be some who will still say I didn't know about that
meeting
or when did we decide to go to serve a search
or so what is policy documents
but don't be deterred it's better to err on the side of
too much communication not enough because in the absence of communication
people who make up information to explain what is happening
where they will share information outside normal channels
chill another way is to put this transparency
and this is related to open and honest communication
so as a leader
with you reside leaders who live in ivory towers
tend to live in isolation we buchanan
who is an editor of a Inc magazine said
I so wish isolation is among the greatest threats
to those have to come up people need and want to talk to you
they come seeking clarification inspiration
and reality checks they also come bearing intelligence
summer which in my not otherwise here leaders who live in ivory towers also
tend to play it safe
they may appear mysterious
members of the congregation may not be clear on who they are or what they stand
for
leaders who live in ivory towers
tend to manage people in the congregation they make decisions based
on
second-hand information because they're not
out front and involved and they run clear about where their share
on the other hand leaders who live in glass houses
are involved and informed they allow themselves to the ball or ball
and a psychiatrist and Star Trek said there can be no bra no ability without
rest
there can be no community without your ability
there can be no peace and ultimately no life
without community leaders who live in glass houses are transparent in
everything they do
there are no secrets there's nothing to hide people will see their mistakes
as well as their commitment to correct them leaders who live in glass houses
inspire others they make decisions based on first-hand knowledge
and their spells clear values
and vision nor tucci and warren bennis wrote character provides the moral
compass
it tells you what you must do and then there's courage
it produces results ensuring that you follow through
on the decisions you've made its so where do you reside
where do the other leaders in your congregation reside
and then
the final way in which we can create an environment minimizes anxiety
is by not giving up on our members
wanna show you a very
simple diagram that was developed by a colleague of mine to be
where when we worked together at the University of Delaware
and that he said that when we
assessed people in our communities in this case when leaders
assess members of the congregation we tend to look at them across two
dimensions
their willingness to cooperate
to be part of the congregation and their ability to do so
so if we perceive a
I'm member of the congregation this book will enable
those are stars those are the people that we know that we can cam on those
are the people that we say if everybody
could be like careful my job is a leader would be a tree
and then who the people that we perceive as willing
cooperative helpful but unable
so it might be because they don't have a particular skill set
or because they are very introverted and Berisha
its or because they really are too busy
to help in congregational life and we look at those people
we tend to want to continue to work with and we want to continue to support them
because as long as you're well as long as they're open to being helpful
then we'll be there for them
then there are those that we perceive as able
but on way we could get involved in congregational life if they want
they could KK a better perspective on the issue and not
caused so much trouble they can do it they're just unwilling to do so
and those are the people that we as leaders
10+2 guess sangria frustrated with
I'm we are allowed to the human beings and most of course for unitary
universalist
fall into that category and so it's not sure they have
negative emotions towards people that we perceive as
able to participate were able to support rushed
with him well in and that's already there are those that we perceive a spot
on the poor and II
and those are the people that we can to give up but
because even if they were able to help or support or be
a contributing member the congregation they wouldn't want your
if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to chill so there's not much that I as
integer can do
so perception is in the eye of the beholder and we will tend to
focus more on those people that we perceived as well
but if you perceive people's unwilling we reserve
are most negative emotions towards them or we may not have any emotions towards
them at all
and we find ourselves a warning that more distancing ourselves from
but we're gonna be fearless leaders we need to get involved really check yet
are in with those not only that we perceive is willing and cooperative
but also we perceive is unwilling as well
so here's a checklist ways to create an environment that minimizes I'm sorry
under par save for men and woman gonna ask you to do is shop assessment
you don't have to share this if you don't want to
on a scale of one to five with 5 being
I do this in very well and almost all the time
and one being what was the question again
rate yourself for each of the five strategies below
well
so much I'm gonna come back on and modify that their
when I like to do it if you doing this exercise for me it's
is I'm make it on still want chair so you have to redo the
so tell are would be I just really wanna do once all the time
one with the I'm I don't think I'm very good at just
time's up
so here's the scoring again on the scale of one to 10
so if you scored 10 our last
come on who you chillen you wouldn't be on this call if you like didn't exhibit
I'm most if not all of these attributes
if you scored are $20 to $30 each
I'm afraid you're gonna have to sit in this webinar get if this works thirty to
forty
not bad but you still have a lot of work to do if this works 4245 you get to
teach this webinar
and if you scored 45 to 50 come on who you can and no one
is that perfect but seriously
this might be a really good opportunity for you
a conversation for you to engage in I'm
with other members with local leaders in the congregation
I'm talk about the sideways of creating a crime that minimizes anxiety and then
obviously rate yourself and talk with each other about how are you doing
so
let me just let me share I'm couple were so we'll step
with you that that we as leaders need to keep in mind
when we don't deal with conflict we're moving now into
I'm a situation where you on
are in consulate or perceived conflict with another member of the congregation
so this is an in a personal issue now
the a quote attributed to steven covey is we think
we see the world as it is but we really see it as we are
conflicts in our world arise when we believe we know the truth
and don't accept someone else thinks otherwise
if you understand that you see in the world
as you are rather than as is its
you can allow others to then see if their way also
leading the world exist as it is
and you are the only ones who she is exactly as it is
leads to poor communication better feelings turf issues
and of course conflict this slotted
in the quote attributed steven covey is a good example misquote
wished we think we see the world as it is but we really see it as we are
has variously been credited to steven covey
someone named anonymous the call button
shirley maclaine and the manual car
in fact the true author of this quote is a guy named Gary Neal
houseman cofounder of the optional
Institute international learning and training centre in Sheffield
Massachusetts so we saw the quote attributed to cart the
and believe that was the truth based not on facts
but because it fit with our world and our understanding
Stephen Curry yeah this is something that company which say
so it must be true in the same way we make assumptions about the world based
on
our appearance and values and expectations
and often this contributes to you or otherwise exacerbates
conflict in the congregation so
the picture at the top is style
the a sever I'm this is Barry and his lovely wife
ISO I actually don't know what her name is and the picture on the right
is my new dog which it wanted you all to say as
absolutely nothing to do with the topic tonight just another great quote then I
I try to keep in mind all the time be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a
hard battle
this is attributed to play dough or although again there's debate
about I who really is credited with this quote
but just think its all the skepticism mind
when dealing with people that
I'm that we re and appreciate cop work with
what a wonderful world it would be its
revert if you have a picture of your dog police said that connects so
on so let me share something from
10 one of my favorite artistry to block
through I'm what are the first box was me proud manager
she wrote in 1991 and he talks about the difference between
of gaining trust and
I'm in gaming agreement among members of the community and in this case
members of the congregation
so block first talks about trust
and in the car truck show can we rely
on a person's support or ugly avoiding ownership
and that agreement is simply are really great about the content on the issue
so he said sure got a quarter inch here and
est is yes some if we are in an atmosphere
I'll hi agreement but low trust
then we're dealing with what block all steps to Los people
that will agree on the surface will pay lip service to what the leadership may
be doing
but their commitments and their actions do not follow suit
if we're in a situation of the little green low trust which is the lower left
quadrant
that we're dealing with that the search people want that are open in their
opposition
very vocal an option for standard offering resistance
these are the people that John Maxwell the management girl calls the laggards
the five to ten percent in our congregation
who in the face to change would disagree with that
no matter what and well actually actively
fight to undermine the change the difference between
doesn't fellows adversaries adversaries
take their opposition and and bringing out into the open
bed fellows will tend to grow underground
on the right hand side you have a high agreement and high trust in the upper
right hand corner
and also our allies those are the people that we know that we can chat on
they support Michelle they believe in the leadership
the follow through with commitment and consistency
and then finally a lower like watchers RR
opponents who demonstrate loyal opposition
NRA's and we are able to have healthy conversation
around disagreements because while there's no agreement
yesen a I trust environment
so block says that trust trumps agreement
and we as leaders need to be seeking not just agreement
but creating an atmosphere of trust and would rather have people who disagree
with rush in an atmosphere of trust
that people who agree with the last in an atmosphere there were
where there is a low trust locke says an hour job
as leaders is to move people from the left-hand
side I love this chart
to the right hand side on the right hand side are people that could work together
to move the congregation forward
on the left hand side is congress
Ste
so I give you just couple minutes again and yet you wanna
use the time to are we slept on that such great issue
a need to get some use a drink or use the restroom I won't know
so feel free to do that but I'd like you to take a few minutes
sentence say they're with the people that you most interact with the people
last have a significant say in what's up in your congregation where do they
for in each of these categories
and it's okay nobody's watch XO you can write down their names as long as you
throw it away later
weary couple minutes to talk about that so will take a short
a short pause
Corp
okay from thanks for doing that if you did it
and if you wanna put the names particularly have your adversaries on
the chat
box I'm will be happy to welcome take not over
look a lot
been are is a social scientist who
I'm comes up with some some brilliant ideas and
and usually publishes them in the form of hand-written
a diagrams with a rose
notes to himself and I'm just really really interesting stuff and
he talks about I'm to past
that we need to take when we meet resistor so
in the protest in contacts were where we are now
I'm actively meeting resistance from members of the congregation
and go up in flames that we can either take the cathode revenge
or we can take the path that respect
if you take a cab revenge
what it looks like it is someone pushes against us
and we push back they push harder
and then we push our and that continues
until one of us usually the person that feels they have the last hour
which is sustainability efforts where they
where there are to this fine have it your way I don't care anymore
whatever I'm not gon fight you anymore and then
they may go away or they may take their
on their your feelings and go underground gordon says is that
in the end it's an energy drain and
game over there's no room for negotiation there's no way
to heal and that
up star and must prepare for the bench
but after three stacks he says is a
is a path where instead I'll
responding to the fan with resistance
pushing back we respond to it with curiosity
we get interested in it will listen angry response
and then we listen and then and we respond we listen for white people care
for the hidden message behind what they're saying we go past the position
and we get to the interest we
engage in in perfect to listen I'm more
active listening where we make sure that we understand what the person's say
before we communicate our niche we try not to take it personally
which I know can be difficult for many of us
what we're focusing on together is how can we solve this conflict
we have to make this work and we care
about our congregation so we're gonna stay at the table
the major difference between the two craft is that
the past the revenge the ultimate destination
is being right tap the respective the ultimate destination
is being in the race relationship so as unitary universalist
which the standouts makes the most sense to you
known whether on conflict would be completely
with now some steps to conflict resolution
so just in case somebody you are in a sarcastic mood I
anticipated what you might say so how many times have I read this in
psychology
today with the latest self-help book and chronograph by the way
she like I really don't get symbolism of that but let me share with you
what were sacrificed important things to keep in mind
when I'll when meeting resistance
and trying to resolve conflict with members of the congregation
number one is to check your perceptions
I'm I accurately labeling the behavior
and i'm looking at this taste only on my view of the world
is this an issue or the lack of trust or lack of agreement going back
to are will open a no
work you as the leader of the one who was labeling the behaviour
the other is resistant or inappropriate or confrontational
and it's absolutely imperative that you make sure that your perceptions here at
your
number together information
what is the underlying these interest or concern of the other
what is causing the anxiety is this person
my asking questions rather than acting on assumptions
and I might clarifying information in order to ensure understanding
released need to get to the underlying interest me said concerns
we need to ask for the other person's viewpoint
and confirm that we respect their opinion each
and that we need their cooperation to solve the problem
it's getting past the position and getting at the interest
and the best generic example ok well is
the two sisters who are fighting over the last charge in the house
the mother decides to trace element and such a large in half since 1/2 to one
sister
and the other half to the other sister but it doesn't resolve the conflict
because if she had asked and got into the interest
and pass the position she would have found that one sister wanted the line to
make putting
and the other one is to me to make changes
the next step in conflict resolution is to agree on the problem
and my demonstrating respect for the others
my taking responsibility for keeping the conversation going
and I really objective in understanding the source of the problem
different underlying these interests and goals can cause people to Chrissy
problems very differently
you need to agree on the problem is that you were trying to solve
before you find a mutually acceptable solution
and if you can't reach a common perception that the problem
then at the very least you need to understand
what the other person she is as the problem
French some possible solutions am i staying flexible and open to all ideas
my committed to being in relationship rather than to being right
if everyone is going to feel satisfied with the resolution that will help
if everyone has had fair and put in generating
solution brainstorming possible solutions and being open to all ideas
is the way to go including ideas that you have never considered before
and then finally negotiate a solution
am I being clear summarizing the results of the negotiation
and my committed to following up with the other to ensure long-term success
and Hellboy firmly on and acknowledged their participation
in this process started this page
hopefully conflict may be results
both sides may better understand the position at the other
mutually satisfactory solution may be clear to all
was a little and go back star local
all over again
you just another thing says a that might help
receive the communication without judgment or outward reaction
Stevie 9 style anxious leader
still taking anger all the criticism personally
understand that people bring anxiety and cultural sometimes into the situation
and it has nothing to do with you keep the conversation going
consider who is responsible for the communication
there are two possible answers to that you
and not you of those two answers which one gives you more possibilities
a resolution
and use dialogue that helps us listen to and understand
how others interpret the world insert being judgmental
from our own fear what the world let me give you some illustration so this last
really
I credit my colleague Robert where they were actually
I'm for these ideas
so instead I'll whenever we have a discussion about this
you start yelling are you being pretty childish
we should try this whenever we have a discussion about this you start yelling
tell me why this makes me so angry first as judgmental
second is neutral it leaves us open
to shearing the response
you're always critical public occupational medical makeshift
whether she had a volunteer to make it yourself or stop drinking at
should try this you are clearly not happy with the quality of the coffee
do you have suggestions on how we can be improved
again I non-judgmental question
in the third when you left the meeting early this evening without explanation
don't you care about the work that we're doing
try this you left the meeting early this evening
without explanation can you share with me
your reasons why
and then finally understand your own feelings a Bangor
so when people approaches for we have to deal
with an unpleasant conversation or confrontation will we know that there's
gonna be anxiety
on the part of the the other person we also
begin to experience things I well remember the congregation is in crisis
we go into crisis adrenaline starts rushing for our body
instinctively week weekend to experience the fight-or-flight
phenomenon and when that happens it's courses of action
at upper body and particularly at the quiet
lacquer washing in the brain results in a condition called
hypoxia which is characterized by impaired
thinking and judgment so one way to prepare for this
as you approach a confrontation or
I E perceive unpleasant conversation
is to begin breathing deeply again as much oxygen into your body is possible
to compensate for the loss of oxygen in Ukraine
in times of stress anger cast it is essential that leaders remain calm
we cannot support a person in crisis if we are in Christchurch
so let me lol let me show you a
simple diagram that explains the process of hypoxia
in the body well on second thought I don't want to do that instead I'm just
gonna show you another picture
dark so I'm
no one in the red shirt is not my dot
just in case there was some confusion
we also need to be aware of our emotions during stressful times it's not unusual
for leaders
co-anchor told the person this causing the conflict
when the situation chill recognizing the causes of the anger and acknowledging
them
will help us to avoid acting on our feelings of anger
so what causes just to become angry
what it could be a number of angst we may become angry if we feel that we have
been betrayed by the person
causing the tension with a difficult situation
or the conflict we may become angry because we
become frustrated that the situation has been resolved
or I need to have a conversation with a member the congregation that I just had
last week
which obviously didn't resolve the issue
we may feel anger when we feel
fear and many of us
worry about for the dow and fear confrontations
with people with whom we are in conflict mysterious clearly associated with anger
when I was a kid many moons ago and a friend of mine would jump out from
behind a tree
scare me I would jump
Sophie would be my first reaction my second reaction would be to get that
for scaring me so fear and then anger
and then my third reaction is who can we get next
or anger may arise through I'm
emotional contagion we pick up to dodge the emotional bites from other people
those who play the piano I I used to play the piano but they gave it up
because it was too exhausting
during marching band season but people who play the piano
tell me that if you in a tuning fork and put it next to piano wires
the I'm the wires library
and the keys begin to tell you *** in the same way
strong emotions radiated out and we pick it up
so its widest for us as leaders
to understand how we're feeling and to try to locate the source
up the anger so that were better able to deal with it
so here's your homework assignment
I'm I hope that you'll go back to the initial exercise
say those are the questions I sent you and ask you to consider
and and consider how you will
we solve the conflict that you identified in answering those questions
and then I hope that you will take action arm
and then let someone know how well you do it
in resolving the conflict
so that arm that that conclusion formal part ok
webinar but don't go anywhere yet for those who
would like to stay arm and I'm talk about some of the
from issues that I raced are asking the question sure what's going on in your
congregation
give me your reactions to the content I will do that in just a moment
and while I'm you to everyone and we'll have a conversation
well for those who I love you who are leaving
well I want to thank you for your time tonight and i wanna
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so thank you all very much for for being with me tonight