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IF YOU'VE EVER READ THE BOOK OF
JOB, IT'S ALONG THOSE LINES.
IT'S QUITE THE ROLLER COASTER OF
A LIFE, IN SO MANY WORDS.
SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE, MAN.
FIRST I WANT TO START OFF, YOU
GREW UP IN A CHRISTIAN HOME.
>> YEAH, I GREW UP WITH A GREAT
FAMILY, LOVING, PARENTS,
CHRISTIAN HOME, BUT I JUST, I
NEVER REALLY SAW THE POWER OF
THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST,
AND SO I KIND OF JUST ENDED UP
REBELLING AGAINST IT ALL.
>> WELL, THERE WAS SOMETHING
THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE WHEN
YOU WERE 15, ABOUT THAT AGE.
>> YEAH, I WAS GOLFING WITH MY
DAD AND ENJOYING A GREAT GAME
OF GOLF, WHERE ON THE 18TH HOLE
HE ALMOST HIT A HOLE IN ONE
ACTUALLY.
AND HE WAS UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE
HOLE READY TO PUT IT IN FOR
A BIRDIE AND HE LOOKED AT ME, HE
GAVE ME A LOOK THAT I'LL NEVER
FORGET AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW
I SEE MY DAD DROP ON HIS KNEES,
FALL OVER AND THAT WAS THE LAST
TIME I SAW HIM ALIVE.
>> DIED RIGHT THERE, HUH?
>> RIGHT THERE.
>> IT WAS A HEART ATTACK?
>> TECHNICALLY, IT WAS
A HEART ATTACK.
IT'S A RARE, RARE CONDITION THAT
HE WAS BORN WITH, AND HE HAD
A HEALTHY HEART BUT IT WAS THESE
THINGS AROUND HIS HEART THAT
TRIGGERED HIS HEART TO BEAT OUT
OF RHYTHM.
>> WOW.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, YOU--I
MEAN WE WERE TALKING BACKSTAGE.
YOU SAID, YOU--WAS THAT THE
DEFINING POINT WHERE YOU CHANGED
YOUR LIFE AND YOU WENT OFF?
>> WELL, I WASN'T NECESSARILY ON
FIRE FOR GOD BEFORE THAT,
BUT IT SURE DIDN'T HELP THINGS.
>> RIGHT, SO YOU STARTED TO
REBEL.
YOU WENT OFF THE DEEP END A BIT?
>> YEAH, I GOT INVOLVED WITH
DRUGS, SLEEPING AROUND,
***.
>> HOW LONG DID THAT LAST?
>> IT LASTED PRETTY MUCH MOST
OF HIGH SCHOOL, THROUGHOUT
HIGH SCHOOL.
>> SO THIS IS WHEN YOU WERE
REALLY YOUNG IN HIGH SCHOOL.
>> YEAH, I WAS 15 WHEN MY DAD
DIED.
AND I HAD SUCH THIS EMPTY
FEELING IN ME, AND I JUST--I
HEARD ALL MY LIFE, JESUS LOVES
YOU, JESUS DIED FOR YOU.
HE CAN FILL THE VOID AND ALL
THAT, BUT I NEVER EXPERIENCED IT
AND SO BEFORE I WAS WILLING TO
SURRENDER MY LIFE, I WANTED TO
TRY EVERYTHING ELSE TO SEE IF
THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE OUT
THERE THAT COULD FILL ME,
AND TALK ABOUT A WASTE OF TIME.
>> SO YOU FOUND OUT IT WAS
A WASTE OF TIME.
>> BIG TIME.
>> YOU TRIED ALL THAT STUFF, AND
HOW DID YOU COME OUT OF THAT,
WHAT HAPPENED, YOU MET SOMEBODY?
>> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO A YOUTH
GROUP 'CAUSE I HAD A FRIEND THAT
KEPT BUGGING ME TO GO, AND I
STARTED TO GO 'CAUSE IT WAS
A BIG YOUTH GROUP WITH A LOT
OF CUTE GIRLS AND SO--
>> THAT'S THE ONLY REASON
YOU WENT.
>> SOMETIMES GOD WILL USE
ANYTHING TO GET YOU INTO CHURCH
SOMETIMES.
AND SO I WAS LIKE, WOW, LOOK AT
ALL THESE BABES.
AND BUT USUALLY DURING
THE SERMON I'D BE LIKE THIS
AND I WOULDN'T LISTEN.
BUT A GUY FROM AUSTRALIA CAME,
AND I ALWAYS LOVED AUSTRALIA AND
I ALWAYS LOVED THE ACCENTS.
SO THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY
OPENED MY HEART UP TO A SERMON
BECAUSE OF AN ACCENT.
THEN AGAIN, GOD KNOWS WHAT YOU
NEED TO GET YA.
AND THE MOMENT MY HEART WAS
OPEN, I WAS IN TROUBLE.
THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST CAME IN,
AND I FELT LIKE I WAS IN
A BOXING MATCH.
I WAS JUST GETTING NAILED
LEFT AND RIGHT.
AND THE PASTOR, HIS NAME WAS
PHIL STEPHENSON WAS PREACHING
ABOUT GOING A HUNDRED PERCENT
FOR GOD, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE
FOOT IN THE WORLD AND ONE FOOT
IN THE CHURCH, AND THAT'S WHAT
I WAS DOING.
I HAD MY FAMILY FOOLED.
THEY THOUGHT I WAS A GOOD
CHRISTIAN BOY BUT YET, ON
THE WEEKENDS I WAS DOING DRUGS
AND DOING EVERYTHING ELSE.
I WAS LIVING A DOUBLE LIFE,
AND I HAD EVERYONE FOOLED, BUT
YOU CAN'T FOOL GOD AND THAT'S
WHAT HIS MESSAGE WAS ABOUT.
SO THAT NIGHT I TURNED MY LIFE
OVER AND WENT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
YOU CAN'T FOOL YOURSELF EITHER.
>> NO, YOU CAN'T.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT SICK
FEELING IN YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU,
AT THAT TIME, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE
A SISTER.
>> TWO.
>> OKAY, I KNOW ONE OF YOUR
SISTERS.
SO YOU HAVE TWO SISTERS AND YOUR
MOTHER, AT THAT POINT, THEY WERE
STILL GRIEVING FROM YOUR FATHER,
WERE THEY GOING THROUGH THEIR
OWN ISSUES?
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE REST
OF THE FAMILY?
>> AT THE TIME ONE OF MY SISTERS
WAS GOING THROUGH SOME ROUGH
TIMES AS WELL, TOOK IT
PRETTY HARD.
>> AND YOUR MOTHER?
>> YEAH, MY MOM ACTUALLY--MY MOM
LOOKING HOW GOD, THROUGH HIS
GRACE, HELPED HER THROUGH ALL
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS IN MOURNING
AND SHE WAS IN PAIN AND SHE GOT
LONELY AND FINALLY YEARS AND
YEARS LATER, SHE REMARRIED BUT
TO SEE THE GRACE OF GOD EMPOWER
HER AND STRENGTHEN HER IS
A HUGE TESTIMONY.
>> TO GET ALL YOU TEENAGERS
UP AND OUT ON HER OWN BEFORE
SHE REMARRIED.
>> YEAH.
>> NOW TELL ME THIS, YOU ENDED
UP IN AUSTRALIA SOMEHOW.
>> YEAH, THE NIGHT THAT I
SURRENDERED, THE YOUTH PASTOR
CAME UP TO ME 'CAUSE I BURNED.
I WENT HOME AND GOT DRUGS,
*** MAGAZINES, YOU NAME IT AND
I BURNT IT ALL AT THE CHURCH.
I BROUGHT IT BACK AND SET ON
FIRE, LITERALLY.
>> AT THE CHURCH?
>> AT THE CHURCH, YEAH,
IN THE PARKING LOT.
>> WAS ANYBODY ELSE DOING THAT?
>> NO.
JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO DO.
AND SO THE PASTOR ASKED ME,
"HEY, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU SPEAK
NEXT WEEK AT YOUTH GROUP?"
THIS IS LIKE 500 KIDS.
I NEVER SPOKE IN MY LIFE IN
FRONT OF ANYONE.
>> YOU'RE NOT A PREACHER.
>> YEAH, I'M NOT A PREACHER,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
I KIND OF FREAKED, BUT I SAID
YES, AND I SPOKE THE FOLLOWING
WEEK AND 35 KIDS GOT SAVED.
>> WOW.
>> AND I WAS STANDING THERE
WATCHING THE ALTAR CALL AND I
STARTED JUST CRYING 'CAUSE I WAS
NEVER BEEN USED BY GOD TO DO
ANYTHING.
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE
I EXPERIENCED THE POWER OF THE
HOLY SPIRIT WORKING THROUGH ME,
AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW GOD
COULD TAKE A SKINNY, WHITE DUDE
WHO WAS MESSED UP A WEEK BEFORE
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, BEING
USED TO SEE LIVES CHANGED.
AND I SAID, "LORD, IF THIS IS
THE ONLY THING I EVER DO FOR
THE REST OF MY LIFE, I WILL DIE
THE HAPPIEST MAN."
AND RIGHT THERE, IT WAS SO CLEAR
IT WAS ALMOST AUDIBLE.
THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE TO ME AND
SAID, "JEREMY, PREACH UNTIL YOU
DIE, THIS IS YOUR CALLING."
>> YOU FELT LIKE THAT WAS JUST
YOUR CALLING.
>> THE VERY FIRST WEEK.
>> EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD, THAT'S
WHEN I RECEIVED MY CALLING.
>> WOW.
>> A WEEK AFTER I WENT
A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT WAS SO CLEAR, AND I ENDED UP
MOVING TO AUSTRALIA BECAUSE
THE AUSTRALIAN PASTOR WAS STILL
THERE AND HEARD ME, AND HE
WANTED TO DO AN INTERNSHIP SO I
WENT AND INTERNED WITH YOUTH
ALIVE ON A PROGRAM CALLED--
>> AUSTRALIA?
>> YEAH, WESTERN AUSTRALIA
AND ENDED UP LIVING THERE.
I WAS THERE FOR 5 YEARS.
>> FIVE YEARS WITH THAT SAME
MINISTRY?
>> YEAH, WELL I ENDED UP YOUTH
PASTORING AT A CHURCH THAT
WASN'T YOUTH ALIVE, BUT IT WAS
AFFILIATED BUT IT WAS THE WHOLE
START FOR ME.
>> AND THIS IS JUST THE
BEGINNING OF YOUR TESTIMONY SO,
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY
INTENSE BEGINNING.
WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA?
>> WELL, I ENDED UP GETTING
MARRIED TO AN AUSTRALIAN.
WE WERE MARRIED FOR ALMOST
2 YEARS.
WE WERE BOTH PASTORS,
HAD A GREAT MARRIAGE.
AND ONE DAY SHE PICKS ME UP FROM
AN AIRPORT AND TELLS ME SHE'S
LEAVING ME, WHICH WAS A COMPLETE
SHOCK.
>> HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN
MARRIED?
>> ALMOST 2 YEARS.
>> AND WHAT WERE YOU DOING AT
THE AIRPORT?