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BILL MOYERS: Welcome, to a story that's been unfolding for more than 30 years but has gone
largely untold. That's the way the central characters wanted it. They were smart and
understood something very important: that they might more easily get what they wanted
from state capitals than from Washington, DC. So they started putting their money in
places like Raleigh, North Carolina; Nashville, Tennessee; Phoenix, Arizona; and Madison,
Wisconsin. That’s because what happens in our state legislatures directly affects our
taxes, schools, roads, the quality of our air and water -- even our right to vote.
Politicians and lobbyists at the core of this clever enterprise figured out how to pull
it off in an organized, camouflaged way -- covering their tracks while they put one over on an
unsuspecting public. This is the story of how and why it worked. Our report was many
months in the making. It's collaboration between Tom Casciato and Kathleen Hughes, the filmmakers
at Okapi Productions; and the Schumann Media Center that I head. Schumann supports independent
journalism and public watchdog groups like the Center for Media and Democracy, whose
investigators have been tracking the footprints of ALEC, an organization hiding in plain sight,
yet one of the most influential and powerful in American politics.
ARIZONA DEM. REP. STEVE FARLEY: I’ve often told people that I talk to out on the campaign
trail when they say “state what?” when I say I’m running for the state legislature.
I tell them that the decisions that are made here in the state legislature are often more
important for your everyday life than the decisions the president makes.
JOHN NICHOLS: If you really want to influence the politics of this country you don’t just
give money to presidential campaigns, you don’t just give money to congressional campaign
committees. The smart players put their money in states.
FORMER PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN: ALEC has forged a unique partnership between state legislators
and leaders from the corporate and business community. This partnership offers businessmen
the extraordinary opportunity to apply their talents to solve our nation’s problems and
build on our opportunities… LISA GRAVES: I was stunned at the notion that
politicians and corporate representatives, corporate lobbyists were actually voting behind
closed doors on these changes to the law before they were introduced in statehouses across
the country. HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER: ALEC, has been
I think a wonderful organization. Not only does it bring like-minded legislators together.
But the private sector engagement in partnership in ALEC is really what I think makes it the
organization that it is. BILL MOYERS: Have heard the name ALEC in the
news lately. CHRIS MATTHEWS: The American Legislative Exchange
Council, or ALEC for short. FOX NEWS REPORTER: The American Legislative
Exchange Council, or ALEC. BILL MOYERS: ALEC is a nationwide consortium
of elected state legislators working side by side with some of America’s most powerful
corporations. They have an agenda you should know about, a mission to remake America, changing
the country by, changing its laws, one state at a time. ALEC creates what it calls “model
legislation,” pro-corporate laws its members push in statehouses across the nation. ALEC
says close to a thousand bills, based at least in part on its models, are introduced each
year. And an average of 200 pass. This has been going on for decades. But somehow, ALEC
managed to remain the most influential corporate-funded political organization you’d never heard
of--until a gunshot sounded in the Florida night.
RACHEL MADDOW: Trayvon Martin unarmed but for a bag of candy and iced tea that he was
carrying. BILL MOYERS: You’ll recall that the shooter
in Trayvon Martin’s death was protected at first by Florida’s so-called Stand Your
Ground law. That law was the work of the National Rifle Association. There’s its lobbyist
standing right beside Governor Jeb Bush when he signed it into law in 2005. Although ALEC
didn’t originate the Florida law, it seized on it for the Stand Your Ground model it would
circulate in other states. Twenty-four of them have passed a version of it.
RASHAD ROBINSON: How did this law not only get in place in Florida but around the country?
And all the fingers kept pointing back to ALEC.
BILL MOYERS: When civil rights and grassroots groups learned about ALEC's connection to
Stand Your Ground laws, they were outraged. RASHAD ROBINSON: ALEC doesn’t do its work
alone, they do it with some of the biggest corporate brands in America.
BILL MOYERS: Before long, corporations were pulling out of ALEC, including Coca-Cola,
Kraft Foods, McDonald’s, Mars, Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson. Caught in the glare of
the national spotlight, ALEC tried to change the subject.
KAITLYN BUSS: You know, I think the entire debate needs to be reframed, and really what
ALEC is, is a bipartisan association of state legislators -- we have legislators of all
political stripes coming together to talk about the most critical issues facing the
states […] and trying to come up with the best solutions to face some of the problems
that we’re having. MEGYN KELLY: Alright, so your point is it’s
not a partisan organization. BILL MOYERS: But ALEC is partisan. And then
some. LISA GRAVES: In the spring I got a call from
a person who said that all of the ALEC bills were available and was I interested in looking
at them. And I said I was. BILL MOYERS Lisa Graves, a former Justice
Department attorney, runs the center for media and democracy, a nonprofit investigative reporting
group in Madison, Wisconsin. In 2011 by way of an ALEC insider, Graves got her hands on
a virtual library of internal ALEC documents. She was amazed by its contents: a treasure
trove of actual ALEC model bills. LISA GRAVES: These are the bills that were
provided by the whistleblower. That’s just the index.
BILL MOYERS: There were more than 850 of them -- 850 boilerplate laws that ALEC legislators
could introduce as their own in any state in the union.
LISA GRAVES: Bills to change the law to make it harder for American citizens to vote, those
were ALEC bills. Bills to dramatically change the rights of Americans who were killed or
injured by corporations, those were ALEC bills. Bills to make it harder for unions to do their
work were ALEC bills. Bills to basically block climate change agreements, those were ALEC
bills. When I looked at them I was really shocked.
I didn’t know how incredibly extensive and deep and far-reaching this effort to rework
our laws was. BILL MOYERS: She and her team began to plow
through ALEC documents, as well as public sources, to compile a list of the organizations
and people who were or had been ALEC members. They found hundreds of corporations, from
Coca-Cola and Koch Industries to Exxon Mobil, Pfizer, and Wal-Mart; dozens of right-wing
think tanks and foundations; two dozen corporate law firms and lobbying firms; and some thousand
state legislators a few of them democrats, the majority of them republican.
WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: ALEC is a corporate dating service for lonely legislators
and corporate special interests that eventually the relationship culminates with some special
interest legislation and hopefully that lives happily ever after as the ALEC model. Unfortunately
what’s excluded from that equation is the public.
BILL MOYERS: In the Wisconsin Statehouse, Democratic Representative Mark Pocan is trying
to expose ALEC’s fingerprints whenever he can. By one count, over a third of Pocan’s
fellow Wisconsin lawmakers are ALEC members. WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: When you look
around especially on the Republican side of the aisle, a lot of members of ALEC, front
row, ALEC, when you start going down to the chair of finance and some of the other members
are all ALEC members, in fact the ALEC co-chair of the state, row by row you can point out
people who have been members of ALEC over the years.
There's two main categories they have. One is how to reduce the size of government, and
the other half of it is this model legislation that's in the corporate good. In other words,
there's a profit driven legislation. How can you open up a new market? How can you privatize
something that can open up a market for a company? And between those two divisions you
are kind of getting to the same end goal which is really kind of ultimate privatization of
everything. BILL MOYERS: Mark Pocan is something of an
expert on ALEC. In fact, to learn as much about it as he could, he became a member.
WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: What I realized is if you join ALEC for a mere hundred dollars
as a legislator you have the full access like any corporate member.
BILL MOYERS: He also took himself to an ALEC conference for a first-hand look.
WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: Hi, I’m state representative Mark Pocan, I’m outside
the Marriott on Canal Street in New Orleans at the ALEC convention, American Legislative
Exchange Council. That was where you watch the interaction of
a room full of lobbyists—free drinks, free cigars, wining, dining, many people just came
from a dinner that was sponsored by some special interests, coming to a party that’s sponsored
by special interests, so they can continue to talk about special interests.
LISA GRAVES: This is from the New Orleans convention. This includes a number of seminars
that they held for legislators including one called “Warming up to Climate Change: The
Many Benefits of Increased Atmospheric CO2." BILL MOYERS: That 2011 ALEC conference, lo
and behold, was sponsored by BP, Exxon Mobil, Chevron, and Shell, among others. Another
of its events featured guns. LISA GRAVES: And this is the NRA sponsored
shooting event. For legislators and for lobbyists. Free.
BILL MOYERS: There was even one offering free cigars.
LISA GRAVES: Sponsored by Reynolds American which is one of the biggest tobacco companies
in the world and the Cigar Association of America.
BILL MOYERS: It sounds like lobbying. It looks like lobbying. It smells like lobbying. But
ALEC says it’s not lobbying. In fact, ALEC operates not as a lobby group, but as a nonprofit
… a charity. In its filing with the I.R.S. filing ALEC says its mission is “education.”
Which means it pays no taxes, and its corporate members get a tax write-off. Its legislators
get a lot too. WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: In Wisconsin,
I can't take anything of value from a lobbyist. I can't take a cup of coffee from a lobbyist.
At ALEC, it's just the opposite. You know, you get there and you're being wined and dined
by corporate interests, I can go down there, And be wined and dined for days in order to
hear about their special legislation. I mean, the head of Shell Oil flew in on his private
jet to come to this conference. The head of one the largest utility companies in the country
was there on a panel. Utility company in 13 states and here he is presenting to legislators.
I mean, they clearly brought in some of the biggest corporate names in “special interestdom”
and had that meeting with legislators because a lot of business transpires at these events.
BILL MOYERS: The most important business happens in what ALEC calls “task forces.” There
are currently eight of them, with a corporate take on every important issue in American
life, from health and safety to the environment to taxation. In ALEC task forces, elected
state officials and corporate representatives close the doors to press and public, and together
approve the bills that will be sent out to America. But Americans have no idea they come
from ALEC. Unless someone like a Mark Pocan exposes it.
WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: When I went down to New Orleans, to the ALEC convention
last August, I remember going to a workshop and hearing a little bit about a bill they
did in Florida and some other states and there was a proposal to provide special needs scholarships.
And lo and behold I come back to Wisconsin and what gets introduced? Get ready I know
you’re going to have a shocked look on your face: a bill to do just that.
BILL MOYERS: Twenty-six ALEC members in the Wisconsin legislature sponsored that special
needs bill, but the real sponsor was ALEC. Pocan knew because the bill bore a striking
resemblance to ALEC’s model. Have a look. But Pocan isn’t only concerned that ALEC
sneaks bills into the state legislature. The intent behind the bills troubles him too.
WISCONSIN DEM. REP. MARK POCAN: Some of their legislation sounds so innocuous, but when
you start to read about why they're doing it, you know there's a far different reason
why something's coming forward and that's important.
I think if the average person knew that a bill like this came from some group like ALEC
you'll look at the bill very differently and you might look at that legislator a little
differently about why they introduced it. This is not about education this is not about
helping kids with special needs, this is about privatization, this is about corporate profits,
and this is about dismantling public education. BILL MOYERS: The bill passed in the Wisconsin
House but failed to make it through the senate. However, in its “Education Report Card,”
ALEC boasts that similar bills have passed in Oklahoma, Louisiana, North Carolina and
Ohio. ALEC’s education agenda includes online schooling as well. Take a careful look, and
you’ll find the profit motive there, too. LISA GRAVES: What you see is, corporations
that have a direct benefit, whose bottom line directly benefits from these bills, voting
on these bills in the ALEC taskforce. And so corporations like Connections Academy,
corporations like K12, they have a direct financial interest in advancing this agenda.
BILL MOYERS: Those corporations -- Connections Academy and K12, which specialize in online
education – can profit handsomely from laws that direct taxpayer money toward businesses
like theirs. In 2011 both sat on ALEC's education task force. But the two companies didn’t
just approve the model bill. They helped craft it. The proof is in one of ALEC’s own documents.
And there’s more to the story. TENNESSEE SEN. DOLORES GRESHAM: Thank you
Mr. Speaker […] House Bill 1030 has to do with the establishment of virtual public schools.
BILL MOYERS: Last year an online schooling bill based on the ALEC model turned up in
another state where ALEC has a powerful influence: Tennessee. It was introduced in both the state
senate and house by ALEC members. The bill passed, making private corporations eligible
for public money for online education. Then within weeks the k-12 corporation got what
amounted to a no-bid contract to provide online education to any Tennessee student from kindergarten
through 8th grade. So let’s review: The ALEC member corporations
help craft the bill, ALEC legislators introduce it and vote on it, and now there’s a state
law on the books that enables one of those corporations to get state money. Game, set,
match. But remember: this story isn’t about one company in the education industry and
one law in Tennessee. It’s about hundreds of corporations in most every industry, influencing
lawmakers in state after state using ALEC as a front.
Here’s another example. The American Bail Coalition, which represents the bail bond
industry, pulls no punches about writing ALEC’s model bills itself. In a newsletter a few
years back, the coalition boasted that it had written 12 ALEC model bills “fortifying
the commercial bail industry.” Here’s Jerry Watson, senior legal counsel for the
coalition, speaking at an ALEC meeting in 2007. He has a law to offer.
JERRY WATSON: There is a model bill for you to review if you might be interested in introducing
such a measure. BILL MOYERS: He’ll even help legislators
amend it. JERRY WATSON: Now if you don't like the precise
language of these suggested documents, can they be tweaked by your legislative counsel?
Well absolutely. And will we work with them on that and work with you and your staff on
that? Absolutely. BILL MOYERS: All the lawmakers have to do
is ring him up. JERRY WATSON: There is a phone number there
for our executive offices in Washington D.C. We are prepared to help you and your staff
and support this legislation in any way that we can.
BILL MOYERS: And guess what? There’s gold at the end of the rainbow.
JERRY WATSON: But I'm not so crazy so as not to know that you've already figured out that
If I can talk you into doing this bill, my clients are going to make some money on the
bond premiums. BILL MOYERS: And corporate interest conflated
with the public interest. JERRY WATSON: But if we can help you save
crime victims in your legislative district and generate positive revenue for your state,
and help solve your prison overcrowding problem, you don't mind me making a dollar.
BILL MOYERS: ALEC members are seldom as upfront as the American Bail Coalition. In fact, ordinarily
ALEC’s hand is very hard to see at all. But if you know where to look, you’ll often
find ALEC hiding in plain sight. LISA GRAVES: ALEC has, in addition to its
regular vacation resort trips, it also has special, what it calls boot camps on particular
substantive issues. BILL MOYERS: In March, 2011, ALEC held one
of those ‘boot camps’ for legislators at the North Carolina capitol in Raleigh.
The subject was so-called “tort reform”: how to keep the average Joe from successfully
suing a corporation for damages. The day after the boot camp two state representatives
presented the draft version of a house bill chock full of ALEC priorities. It would, among
other things, limit corporate product-liability in North Carolina. One of the representatives,
Johnathan Rhyne, was quoted in the Raleigh News Observer saying of ALEC: “I really
don’t know much about them.” That’s odd, because Rhyne had been listed as a featured
speaker at the ALEC tort reform boot camp. The paper also reported that Rhyne said the
bill wasn’t copied from ALEC model legislation. That too, is odd, given how the sections covering
product liability could have passed as twins. The bill was controversial; it passed, but
only after the product-liability sections were taken out of it. But the tort reformers
didn’t give up. They were back a year later. This time with a draft bill aimed only to
limit the liability of drug manufacturers. When the public was allowed to comment before
a legislative panel, people who had lost loved ones came to testify against the bill. A son
who had lost a father. SURVIVING SON: You know, my dad’s gone.
All I can do is be a voice for him, he can’t speak any longer.
BILL MOYERS: A grandfather mourning his granddaughter. SURVIVING GRANDFATHER: If this bill passes,
an innocent victim in NC like Brittany could not hold the manufacturer accountable. Everyone
needs to be accountable for their actions. BILL MOYERS: Unmentioned to those in the room,
ALEC was present too, in the form of a lobbyist with drug manufacturing giant GlaxoSmithKline.
His name is John Del Giorno. JOHN DEL GIORNO: Several of the opposing testifiers
today brought up very compelling sad, empathetic stories about.
BILL MOYERS: Not only is Glaxo an ALEC corporate member, Del Giorno himself is also a Vice
Chairman of ALEC’s national Private Enterprise Board. The North Carolina bill has been tabled
for now. So now you’ve seen how it works for corporations. How about for the politicians?
ANDERSON COOPER: Last night was as the President finally acknowledged to day, a shellacking.
Republicans gain control of the house picking up 60 seats so far.
BILL MOYERS: When all of the returns were counted on election night 2010, ALEC was a
big winner. Eight of the Republican governors elected or re-elected that night had ties
to the group. OHIO GOV. JOHN KASICH: Guess what, I’m going
to be governor of Ohio. SOUTH CAROLINA GOV. NIKKI HALEY: There’s
going to be a lot of news, and a lot of observers, that say that we made history.
ARIZONA GOV. JAN BREWER: A clean sweep for Republicans!
BILL MOYERS: And a star was born that election night -- Wisconsin’s new governor, a son
of ALEC named Scott Walker. WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: Wisconsin is
open for business! JOHN NICHOLS: I've known Scott Walker, the
governor of Wisconsin for the better part of 20 years and Scott is a classic career
politician, and I don't say that in a negative way.
BILL MOYERS: Journalist and Wisconsinite John Nichols has tracked Scott Walker’s career
since the 90s, when Walker was a state legislator and an ALEC member.
JOHN NICHOLS: And in 2010 he ran not presenting himself as an ALEC alumni or as an ally of
big corporations or big business people outside the state. He ran a very down-home campaign.
WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: This is my lunch. I pack a brown bag each day so I can spend
money on the more important things in life, like sending my kids to college.
BILL MOYERS: Nichols says that despite the folksy image, in the years leading up to Walker’s
2010 campaign, he had become a master political fundraiser.
JOHN NICHOLS: And he began to forge incredibly close ties with a lot of corporate interests
that he had first been introduced to in ALEC, individuals and groups like the Koch brothers
BILL MOYERS: David and Charles Koch, the billionaire businessmen behind a vast industrial empire
are also political activists with an agenda. Their companies and foundations have been
ALEC members and funders for years. JOHN NICHOLS: The Koch brothers were among
the two or three largest contributors to Scott Walker's campaign for governor of Wisconsin.
And The Koch brothers get that if you really want to influence the politics of this country,
you don’t just give money to presidential campaigns. You don’t just give money to
congressional campaign committees. The smart ones, the smart players put their money in
the states. WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: Hi I’m Scott
Walker. JOHN NICHOLS … It’s state government that
funds education, social services. And it taxes. WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: If you want lower
taxes and less government I’m Scott Walker, and I know how to get the job done.
JOHN NICHOLS: And so the smart donors can change the whole country without ever going
to Washington, without ever having to go through a Congressional hearing, without ever having
to lobby on Capitol Hill, without ever having to talk to a President.
WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT JUSTICE SHIRLEY ABRAHAMSON: Please raise your right hand and repeat after
me. BILL MOYERS: The new governor moved quickly
with a raft of ALEC-inspired bills. They included one similar to Florida’s Stand Your Ground.
Another made it easier to carry concealed weapons. There was a resolution opposing the
mandated purchase of health insurance. And of course there was limiting corporate liability.
The Wisconsin legislature passed a so-called tort reform measure that included parts of
eight different ALEC models. ALEC was elated, praising walker and the legislature in a press
release for their, quote -- “immediate attention to reforming the state’s legal system.”
But Scott Walker was also shooting for another big ALEC prize.
WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: Now some have questioned why we have to reform collective
bargaining. BILL MOYERS: Taking away workers’ collective
bargaining rights. That had long been an ALEC goal. A candid video caught him talking about
it with one of his financial backers, a billionaire businesswoman, Diane Hendricks.
WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER: We’re going to start in a couple weeks with our budget
adjustment bill. The first step is we’re going to deal with collective bargaining for
all public employee unions. Because you just divide and conquer.
BILL MOYERS: Despite an extraordinary public outcry, and after a brief but intense political
struggle, walker’s anti-collective bargaining measures became state law.
JOHN NICHOLS: It was ALEC's ideas, ALEC's values that permeated the bill and un-did
almost 50 years, more than 50 years of collective bargaining law in Wisconsin.
BILL MOYERS: But again, remember, this isn’t just about one state. It’s about every state.
Take Arizona – it’s practically an ALEC subsidiary. One report this year found that
49 of Arizona’s 90 legislators are members. And two thirds of the republican leadership
are on ALEC taskforces. And of course the governor, Jan Brewer, was an ALEC member too.
So not surprising, Arizona is among the states passing ALEC-inspired laws to privatize education
at taxpayer expense. And no surprise again, Arizona is also getting ALEC-like laws to
limit corporate liability. And Arizona, you’ll recall, made news last year, with a law allowing
police to stop someone for looking Hispanic, and detaining them if they weren’t carrying
proper papers. Laws that create more arrests can create more revenue for-profit prison
companies. So it probably won’t shock you to learn
that Arizona’s immigration law inspired an ALEC model, a version of which was passed
in five other states. ARIZONA DEM. REP. STEVE FARLEY: All of us
here are very familiar with ALEC and the influence that ALEC has with many of the members here.
BILL MOYERS: ALEC’s domination of Arizona proved too much for State Representative Steve
Farley: ARIZONA DEM. REP. STEVE FARLEY: I just want
to emphasize it’s fine for corporations to be involved in the process. Corporations
have the right to present their arguments, but they don’t have the right to do it secretly.
They don’t have the right to lobby people and not register as lobbyists. They don’t
have the right to take people away on trips, convince them of it, send them back here,
and then nobody has seen what’s gone on and how that legislator had gotten that idea
and where is it coming from. BILL MOYERS: Farley has introduced a bill
to force legislators to disclose their ALEC ties, just as the law already requires them
to do with any lobbyist. ARIZONA DEM. REP. STEVE FARLEY: All I’m
asking in the ALEC Accountability Act is to make sure that all of those expenses are reported
as if they are lobbying expenses and all those gifts that legislators received are reported
as if they’re receiving gifts from lobbyists. So the public can find out and make up their
own minds about who is influencing what. BILL MOYERS: Steve Farley’s bill has gone
nowhere. ALEC, on the other hand, is still everywhere. Still hiding in plain sight. Watch
for it. Coming soon to a statehouse near you. In reporting this story we wanted to talk
to ALEC and some of its legislative members as well as to some of its former corporate
members. Our requests were either turned down or went unanswered. At one point, we were
told that the chairman of ALEC had agreed to an interview. We pursued it but never received
a response. Meanwhile, ALEC continues to make news.
You’ve heard about all those bills passed in state after state by republican legislatures
to prevent people from voting unless they can produce a government-issued photo id.
Many of those voter id laws are based in part on – you guessed it – an ALEC model bill.
As you saw in our report, such groups as Color of Change have questioned whether ALEC is
an organization with which businesses want to be associated. So far, about 40 corporations
have decided their answer was, “no, thanks,” and pulled out of ALEC.
Still, many companies remain ALEC members. And ALEC continues to strengthen its ties
to conservatives. Earlier this month ALEC held a high-level, closed door meeting with
congressional conservatives in the nation’s capital. The watchdog group Common Cause,
has filed a complaint asking the IRS to end ALEC's tax exempt status and force it to register
instead as a high powered lobby. Many legislators would then have to tell their constituents
what they’ve mostly been able to hide up till now – that via ALEC they’ve been
wined and dined by high-powered corporate lobbyists who took a hand in shaping laws
in the state where you live. Here’s an example of what’s at stake.
The American Chemistry Council – that’s the trade group for the chemical industry
– has used ALEC to press for changes in health and safety rules on toxic chemicals.
Earlier this fall the council poured nearly 650,000 dollars into supporting Wisconsin
republican Tommy Thompson’s bid for the U.S. Senate this November. By now it won’t
surprise you to learn that Wisconsin’s former governor has been a friend of ALEC going all
the way back to his days as a state legislator, when he himself was an ALEC member. Take a
listen to a speech Thompson made at an ALEC conference in 2002:
FORMER WISCONSIN GOV. TOMMY THOMPSON: I always loved going to those meetings because I always
found new ideas. Then I’d take them back to Wisconsin, disguise them a little bit,
and declare that’s mine. BILL MOYERS: Ah yes, Tommy Thompson and so
many others. Finally: ALEC, meet ALICE. That’s right, ALEC now has some competition. Inspired
by professor Joel Rogers, the Wisconsin champion of open democracy, ALICE is a transparent,
non-corporate, out-in-the-open, web-based library of model laws on a range of public
interest issues. Alice doesn’t have corporate or billionaire backers. The work is done by
volunteers -- so in the constant struggle for democracy is still David versus Goliath.
But as you’ll remember from that ancient story, giants don’t always win.