What in The World are They Spraying? - Reality zone 7/8

Mike Murphy [approaching Paul E. Kanjorski, Democrat in Congress Pennsylvania] My name's Mike Murphy, I'm a film-maker in from Los Angeles, we're covering an issue called geoengineering. Mike Murphy [talking with Dianne Feinstein, Democratic Senator California] We have a very quick question about the issue of geoengineering. Dianne Feinstein I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. Mike Murphy [after cut back to Paul E. Kanjorski] We're wondering if you're supportive of geoengineers' proposals of spraying 10 to 20 million tons of aluminum into the atmosphere? Paul E. Kanjorski I should really get a briefing paper on it before I issue an opinion. Mike Murphy Not a problem. Are you aware of the issue? Paul E. Kanjorski Not completely. Mike Murphy At all? Paul E. Kanjorski No. Mike Murphy Okay, we have a letter from constituents and people have concerns. Paul E. Kanjorski [pointing to camera and crew] What are you? Unknown crew member We're making a documentary about the proceedings. Paul E. Kanjorski I don't know. Do you guys have credentials to be here? Mike Murphy Yes we do. We passed through security as well. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel We are endowed by our creator . . . Paul E. Kanjowski [reaching for recording equipment Rothe-Kushel holds] Please don't. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel Please don't touch that. It's our property. Paul E. Kanjowski You're lying. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel No I'm not. What did I, what did we lie about? Paul E. Kanjowski [mumbles] Jeremy Rothe-Kushel What did we, what did we lie about? Sir, what are we lying about? Paul E. Kanjowski [Walking away] mumbles Mike Murphy That was a little unusual, huh? Saxby Chambliss Republican Senator Georgia I haven't heard of that, no. Barbara Mikulski Democratic Senator Maryland [unintelligible] Mike Murphy to Donna Edwards Democratic Representative Maryland And it appears that these programs have already been deployed . . . Randy Neugebauer Republican Representative Texas You know I haven't looked at that proposal and well, why don't you let me review it? Mike Murphy I can do that, Sir. Actually, are you aware of . . . ? Randy Neugebauer Actually, I'm going to . . . [walks away] Mike Murphy to Cliff Stearns Republican Representative Florida Can we talk to you? Cliff Stearns Yeah. [Walks away] Hank Johnson Democratic Representative Georgia Let me go ahead and get that. [speaking to someone off to side then looking at Mike Murphy] I will take a look at this and I will act accordingly. Mike Murphy to Lieutenant General James R. Clapper Jr., Director of National Intelligence General, this openly covert program of aerosol spraying, stratospheric aerosol spraying, geoengineering using tons of aluminum, spraying it up in the sky . . . James R. Clapper Jr. I have no idea what you're talking about. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel It's commonly called chemtrails, Sir. Mike Murphy When you were the head of NIMA did you see the aerosol trails? James R. Clapper Jr [Walks away] Mike Murphy to David Scott Democratic Representative Georgia Mike Murphy, Sir, I'm here from Los Angeles. David Scott Hi. Mike Murphy Sir, we're here covering an issue called geoengineering and wanted to know if you're supportive of geoengineers' proposals? David Scott [walks away] Mike Murphy to Tim Holden Democratic Representative Pennsylvania Congressman . . . Are you supportive of geoengineers' proposals which is dumping 10 to 20 million tons of aluminum into the atmosphere? Tim Holden I'm not familiar with that. Mike Murphy What? Tim Holden I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. [walks away] Mark Schauer Democratic Representative Michigan I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. Could you make an appointment with my office? [walks away] Dale Kildee Democratic Representative Michigan I'm not supportive, uh, I haven't looked at it so I don't . . . Mike Murphy Have you heard of the issue? It's becoming mainstream and public and there are actually congressional committees which are being formed to talk about the programs. Dale Kildee Yeah, well, I think when you drop anything into the atmosphere you should know prior to, the effect of that, right? Mike Murphy Yes. Dale Kildee And if you don't have the knowledge as to what the effect would be that we shouldn't do it. Dr. Barrett [in Congress] I think there are four different options for thinking about deployment of geoengineering. The first one would be we just ban it. Dr. Morgan [in Congress] I would argue that one does not want to get too firm a restriction in place on small scale studies early on because it will tie the science's hands. I think what the science community ought to be trying to do is say do small scale stuff inside this space and it's a scientific question what that space ought to be. And there shouldn't be a lot of oversight and restriction. Mike Murphy to Harry Mitchell Democratic Representative Arizona Congressman . . . Hi, I'm Mike Murphy from Los Angeles covering an issue called geoengineering. Harry Mitchell [walks away] Mike Murphy These guys are running from the geoengineering issue, I wonder why? Charlie Wilson Democratic Representative Ohio I'd have to talk to my staff. I don't know what the details are. Mike Murphy Has anyone made you aware of the issue or? Sir? Charlie Wilson [walks away] Jeremy Rothe-Kushel approaching Ralph Hall and Michael T. McCaul Representatives Texas Congressmen, did anyone talk to you about the issue of geoengineering last November? Are you supportive of these proposals? We would love to give you a paper. [Both representatives walk away] Barney Frank Democratic Representative Massachusetts Which? Mike Murphy Geoengineering, do you know anything about the geoengineering issue? Barney Frank Never heard of it. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel They call it geoengineering but . . . Barney Frank Yeah and I've never heard of it. It's nothing I've ever heard anything about. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel When we looked up in the air today outside, you see, we saw this stuff going on. Barney Frank [Walks away] Jeremy Rothe-Kushel to Maxine Waters Democratic Representative California [Something unclear] Have you heard of geoengineering? Maxine Waters No. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel The proposal is to shoot 10 million tons of metals into the air. This committee in science and technology covered it and so we're here . . . Maxine Waters No, I've never heard of it. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel So we're very concerned. Maxine Waters [to someone farther away, ignoring question] Hey! How are you doing? I'm fine. Maxine Waters [to documentary crew] So, what? Jeremy Rothe-Kushel Well w spoke with congresswoman Watson's office and her press secretary Ms. White, is familiar with Representative Kucinich's Space Preservation Act which mentioned chemtrails and the weaponization of the atmosphere and space and then it was pressured to be taken off of the bill. Did you see the aerosol spraying going on today over the capitol? Maxine Waters [Walks away] Mike Murphy to Bob Latta Republican Representative Ohio Congressman? Bob Latta I'll get you. [Walks away] Bart Gordon Democratic Representative Tennessee – in session in Congress Geoengineering carries with it a tremendous range of uncertainties, ethical and political concerns, and potential for catastrophic environmental side effects. Staff Person [in Bart Gordon's office] He is not one to do interviews very often, not usually unless we pressure him into it, so don't hold your breath. Bart Gordon – in session in Congress As chairman of the Committee of Jurisdiction I feel a responsibility to begin a public dialogue and begin a record on geoengineering. Mike Murphy [to Bart Gordon in the hall] We want to know if you're supportive of spraying of 10 to 20 million tons of aluminum into the atmosphere? Bart Gordon No. No, we need to have more research. Mike Murphy Okay. And about the issue of current deployment, there's literally a mountain of evidence that many people believe proves deployment of these programs. Any knowledge of that? Bart Gordon No. No, there's not a mountain of evidence. But I do support research into geoengineering and I also support looking into the issue of international governance on that. I hope anybody that's studied it knows that I think it's a radical proposal and I hope we don't have to use it but there may come that point in time where we do. Mike Murphy Now, if we could provide you with evidence that these programs are and have been ongoing, would you be willing to address this publicly? Bart Gordon We've had three or four hearings on it. We have addressed it publicly. Mike Murphy Well, not about the proposals, but about the current deployment of these programs. Citizens . . . Bart Gordon Well, I don't support current deployment. We need to have more research and they have consequences that go beyond one nation then I think we need to look into the governance of that. Catherine Redgwell – Professor of International Law Governance is not simply an issue of deployment but governance before deployment in terms of particularly of large scale scientific field work. Webcast – speaker unknown I concede that on this subject and in general it's not popular to talk about global rules. Stewart Howe – in discussion with Mike Murphy and Jeremy Rothe-Kushel And when those people started talking about the need for UN Security Council oversight, a supranational environmental security enforcement with a strong mandate by the UN, you know. It really is clear that they're looking for a global power behind the manipulation of the environment. “FORA tv” Webcast – host unknown But I do think it needs to be an international kind of treaty that does tie and bind all nations into a common fate. It is a common fate. Webcast of Council of Foreign Relations – speaker unknown And unfortunately, it's not just big governments that could do this. It is small governments. It is billionaires probably who will go “I'm going to save the world all by myself and I won't bother to mention it.” Online Newscast TVO Speaker unknown How do we decide when there's a planetary emergency? Whose hand is on the thermostat? How do we decide when to start? There's no way to do that right now. And what if we do start doing it and then by some problem with the technology or with the will we can no longer do it? And in a year or two the aerosols will come out of the atmosphere and temperatures will shoot up at a rate much faster than it's going up now. And it's that rate of change that's hard for us to adapt to. And so once we start it, we'll be sort of locked into doing it for a long long time. And with no end in sight. Webcast “Geoengineering: Salvation or Ruin?” on “FORA tv” - speaker unknown Boeing would pursue this to make a profit, right? And has financial motivation to do this. “FORA tv” webcast – Second unknown speaker And so, let me not speak for Boeing. “FORA tv” webcast – First speaker Is that allowed? “FORA tv” webcast – Second speaker Well, it is what it is. “FORA tv” webcast – First speaker But if some day the US is going to decide to do this stuff, they're going to look to a company that can do it and you would want to be positioned . . . Boeing would rather get it than Lockheed Martin. [Clip to website with an article titled: “Who Gets Rich in a Geoengineering World?”] “FORA tv” webcast – Second speaker So certainly we have an industrial base that helps the country take on technologies and large scale challenges like national defense and we do that both for a profit motive as well as, I think, a national service. Webcast of Council on Foreign Relations – speaker unknown I think it would be truly disastrous if you know, if we discovered there was a black program that some government had stood up to sort of learn on the quiet how to do this. TVO Webcast entitled “Geoengineering: Plan B?” - Speakers in Calgary, and Paris, France Calgary speaker – unknown It's pretty clear you can cool the planet but you will not and cannot bring it back to the exact same climate state you started with. So you may or may not, I suspect, have a lot of back and forth about how useful it is to ameliorate the risks of climate change. I think there's probably good evidence that it is useful but I don't know. But it certainly can't get you back to the climate you started with. Everybody agrees with that. Webcast of “FORA tv” Panel discussion – First speaker Do you think you'll see deployment in our lifetime? Second speaker Let me say I hope not. First speaker Al? Webcast of “FORA tv” panel discussion – Al I would agree. I hope not. Other new speaker I would see this as something like an evacuation plan, you know, that you build big dikes and emissions reduction to try to keep the flood from wiping you out, but if that flood should come you'd like to have a back up plan for what to do in the event of that catastrophe so I can see those options more as a catastrophic response option and not as a way to reduce risk of everyday climate change. Webcast of hearing [in Congress?] Mr. Smith of North Carolina speaking You would advocate mitigating consumption of beef as a means of accomplishing your objective? Speaker in front row Uh, yes. Mr. Smith How would you suggest going about that? Speaker in front row You can't uh, I can't uh . . . It's your job to decide what to tax and what not to tax, obviously, if you wanted to, people do behave differently, you'd give them incentives and disincentives for behavior. Another speaker I'm sure that's the answer you wanted to hear, Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith If only my time had not expired. Thank you Mr. [unclear] Mike Murphy – back in Congress speaking with Bart Gordon, Democratic Representative Tennessee Because there's literally aluminum and barium contamination found around the world believed to be Mike Murphy – speaking with Bart Gordon in Congress from these programs. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel Like today over the Capitol it looks like maybe they're deploying some sort of aerosol, did you see it? Bart Gordon No I didn't. [The rest is unclear] Mr. Bard speaking in Congress in session In a James Bond scenario some sort of rogue rich guy puts some planes in the air and seeds the clouds. What is to prevent that? Ron Wyden Democratic Senator Oregon [Something unclear] I'll be glad to talk to you, just call my office. Mike Murphy Are you aware of the issue? Ron Wyden As I said, I do it through the office. Mike Murphy to Bobby Rush Democratic Representative Illinois Are you in support of those proposals? What is your take? Bobby Rush I don't know anything about it and I'm running late. I have to chair a hearing. Mike Murphy Okay, we'll give you a letter on this. Okay, this is a letter from constituents and many people believe that these programs have already been deployed because massive contamination has been found. [Bobby Rush's Aide takes the letter for him] Aide I have no idea what you mean by “these programs”, one word or two . . . Mike Murphy Geoengineering programs. Aide Geoengineering. Got it. Glad you brought it up. Mike Murphy Yes, spraying from airplanes, so what is happening is people from around the world are finding contamination. Aide Let me take care of this and I'll talk with you when I come back. Mike Murphy Thank you very much! Webcast on Geoengineering II: The Scientific Basis and Engineering Challenges We see that even though we might make the average temperature of the planet about right the rainfall patterns change some from today and some places become a little warmer and some cooler so there are going to be winners and losers in this geoengineering activity if we were to do it, but nevertheless as David has said, there are reasons why we might consider doing it. Mike Murphy speaking with Carolyn Maloney Democratic Representative New York Many people are deeply concerned about it because of the toxicity of aluminum, and it has been addressed to Congress in various committees. Would you take a look at a letter from some of your constituents addressing the concerns? [Carolyn Maloney walks away] John Barrow Democratic Representative Georgia Please excuse me if I go . . . Mike Murphy Can I give you a letter from constituents? Are you aware of their proposals of dumping . . . John Barrow [while reaching for letter] I'm running a little bit late. Mike Murphy Got you. Thanks. Gene Green Democratic Representative Texas Well, I'm not familiar with it so I don't know what to do. Mike Murphy Okay well, geoengineers are proposing just that, dumping aluminum and barium into the atmosphere . . . Gene Green Well, aluminum is a precious metal we could use. Mike Murphy Well the stated goal is to actually cool the planet however . . . Gene Green It sounds strange. Mike Murphy Exactly, so they're proposing dumping these metals into the air to block the sun essentially. So we're just here to find out what members of Congress are . . . Gene Green Well, I hope we have a strong hearing on that before they do anything. Mike Murphy I hope so. And there's evidence that suggests that not only have these programs been deployed because we're finding contamination of aluminum and barium in the rains, snow, and soil. Gene Green Okay, thank you. [walks away taking letter] Mike Murphy Thank you. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel speaking to Senator Dianne Feinstein California L.A. County has seen a two hundred percent increase in Alzheimer’s in the last decade and tons of ground water samples showing high levels of aluminum all around our state. Dianne Feinstein Why don't you give me all the information you have? I have some very good people I will assign it to and if you get it to Mr. Lavelle. Mr. Lavelle Just scan my card and send me an email and we'll . . . Mike Murphy We'll be in touch, we are investigating this and there is literally a mountain of evidence that suggests these programs are going on. Dianne Feinstein Okay, move that mountain over to us and we'll look at it. Jeremy Rothe-Kushel And look up, just looking up into the sky you will see some . . . Dianne Feinstein Okay. Mike Murphy You will, you can see aerosols being sprayed out of airplanes quite a bit so thank you, yeah, the future of humanity is definitely dependent on it so we're counting on people like yourself to take some proactive steps, so thank you very much guys. Dianne Feinstein Very well. You're welcome.