Arizona Illustrated - December 18, 2012

. >>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO >>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA ILLUSTRATED" FOR "ARIZONA ILLUSTRATED" FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 19. TUESDAY, DECEMBER 19. A HIGH NUMBER OF MEN AND WOMEN A HIGH NUMBER OF MEN AND WOMEN ARE TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES AFTER ARE TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES AFTER HAVING SERVED IN THE MILITARY. HAVING SERVED IN THE MILITARY. ALMOST 20% OF THE NATION'S ALMOST 20% OF THE NATION'S SUICIDE OCCUR AMONG VETERANS. SUICIDE OCCUR AMONG VETERANS. BUT MEMBERS OF A GRANT FUNDED BUT MEMBERS OF A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT CALLED RALLY POINT ARE PROJECT CALLED RALLY POINT ARE HELPING TO WIN WHAT THEY CALL HELPING TO WIN WHAT THEY CALL THE WAR AT HOME. THE WAR AT HOME. >> Reporter: JOINING US NOW TO >> Reporter: JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS A NEW PROGRAM CALLED DISCUSS A NEW PROGRAM CALLED RALLY POINT THAT'S DESIGNED TO RALLY POINT THAT'S DESIGNED TO HELP VETERANS TO DEAL WITH HELP VETERANS TO DEAL WITH CRISIS. CRISIS. A VETERAN WHO IS WORKING TO HELP A VETERAN WHO IS WORKING TO HELP OTHER VETS DEAL WITH THESE OTHER VETS DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES. ISSUES. OUTLINE FOR US WHAT YOU ARE OUTLINE FOR US WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THE WAR AT HOME. CALLING THE WAR AT HOME. >> WELL, OUR PRIMARY MISSION IS >> WELL, OUR PRIMARY MISSION IS TO SOLVE COMPLEX COMMUNITY TO SOLVE COMPLEX COMMUNITY PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. I WAS APPROACHED BY FRIENDS AND I WAS APPROACHED BY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES TO ASK WHAT WE COULD COLLEAGUES TO ASK WHAT WE COULD DO TO DEAL WITH THE CRISIS OF DO TO DEAL WITH THE CRISIS OF VETERANS RETURNING FROM THE VETERANS RETURNING FROM THE MILITARY WHO ARE FACING A HOST MILITARY WHO ARE FACING A HOST OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. ALONG WITH THAT, THE SUICIDE ALONG WITH THAT, THE SUICIDE EPIDEMIC THAT WE'RE SEEING IN EPIDEMIC THAT WE'RE SEEING IN VETERANS AND ACTIVE MILITARY, VETERANS AND ACTIVE MILITARY, AND THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTED. AND THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTED. >> YOU GAVE ME A VERY ALARMING >> YOU GAVE ME A VERY ALARMING STATISTIC WHEN WERE TALKING STATISTIC WHEN WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RATE OF VETERANS, WE ABOUT THE RATE OF VETERANS, WE HEARD 22%. HEARD 22%. >> AN ACTIVE MILITARY MEMBER >> AN ACTIVE MILITARY MEMBER TAKES THEIR OWN LIFE EVERY DAY TAKES THEIR OWN LIFE EVERY DAY AND ABOUT 18 VETERANS PER DAY. AND ABOUT 18 VETERANS PER DAY. THAT COVERS VARIOUS DIFFERENT THAT COVERS VARIOUS DIFFERENT WARS BUT MOST OF THESE ARE THE WARS BUT MOST OF THESE ARE THE RECENT WARS THAT ARE IRAN AND RECENT WARS THAT ARE IRAN AND IRAQ. IRAQ. >> OUTLINE BRIEFLY FOR US HOW >> OUTLINE BRIEFLY FOR US HOW YOU GOT INTO THIS SITUATION. YOU GOT INTO THIS SITUATION. WHY ARE YOU HELPING? WHY ARE YOU HELPING? >> FIRST OF ALL, BEING A >> FIRST OF ALL, BEING A VETERAN, IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO VETERAN, IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART IN REGARDS TO WHAT I MY HEART IN REGARDS TO WHAT I EXPERIENCED IN COMING HOME AND EXPERIENCED IN COMING HOME AND MY STRUGGLES BEING A VETERAN AND MY STRUGGLES BEING A VETERAN AND TO REALLY IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS, TO REALLY IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS, WHERE IT BE POST-TRAUMATIC WHERE IT BE POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, OR WHETHER IT STRESS DISORDER, OR WHETHER IT BE INTERACTING WITH WHO VETERANS BE INTERACTING WITH WHO VETERANS ARE INTERACTING WITH IN THEIR ARE INTERACTING WITH IN THEIR OWN LIVES. OWN LIVES. THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME FROM THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME FROM THE DOCTOR AND A FEW OF HIS THE DOCTOR AND A FEW OF HIS COLLEAGUES AND I WAS APPROACHED COLLEAGUES AND I WAS APPROACHED ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. IN WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE DO, IN WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE DO, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE COMMUNITY PROBLEM SOLVERS AROUND COMMUNITY PROBLEM SOLVERS AROUND TUCSON. TUCSON. THE VETERAN'S ISSUES ONLY MADE THE VETERAN'S ISSUES ONLY MADE SENSE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SENSE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF HELP FOR THE VETERANS IN THIS HELP FOR THE VETERANS IN THIS COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY. THAT'S HOW I GOT TO BE IN THE THAT'S HOW I GOT TO BE IN THE PICTURE. PICTURE. >> WHAT SPECIAL CONCERNS OR CARE >> WHAT SPECIAL CONCERNS OR CARE DO YOU NEED WHEN YOU DEAL WITH DO YOU NEED WHEN YOU DEAL WITH VETERANS IN PREVENTING SUICIDE, VETERANS IN PREVENTING SUICIDE, HOW IS OPERATION RALLY -- HOW IS OPERATION RALLY -- >> WE HAVE A CRISIS HOTLINE THAT >> WE HAVE A CRISIS HOTLINE THAT IS RALLY POINT'S MAIN THING IS RALLY POINT'S MAIN THING RIGHT NOW AROUND THE HOLIDAY RIGHT NOW AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON. SEASON. THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SO DIFFERENT FROM THE INTERVENTION DIFFERENT FROM THE INTERVENTION CRISIS LINES. CRISIS LINES. BE THE SERVICES IN WHICH WE BE THE SERVICES IN WHICH WE PROVIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE PROVIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US, MAIN THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US, NEXT TO THE THINGS WE DO IN THE NEXT TO THE THINGS WE DO IN THE KWLUNT AS WELL. KWLUNT AS WELL. >> WHO WILL BE MANNING THOSE >> WHO WILL BE MANNING THOSE CALLS. CALLS. >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH VETERANS WHO ARE AT THE OTHER VETERANS WHO ARE AT THE OTHER END OF THAT CALL THAT ARE GOING END OF THAT CALL THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSISTING IN GETTING THOSE TO BE ASSISTING IN GETTING THOSE CALLS AND JUST GETTING THE WORD CALLS AND JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT, NUN ONE. OUT, NUN ONE. >> DOCTOR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO >> DOCTOR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD IN THE WAY RALLY POINT IS ADD IN THE WAY RALLY POINT IS SET UP? SET UP? >> FIRST, THE VETERAN >> FIRST, THE VETERAN POPULATION, YOU HAVE TO GET THEM POPULATION, YOU HAVE TO GET THEM IN YOUR CARS, AND SECONDLY YOU IN YOUR CARS, AND SECONDLY YOU HAVE TO BE EFFECTIVE IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO BE EFFECTIVE IN WHAT YOU DO. DO. ONE OF THE WAYS OF GETTING ONE OF THE WAYS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO APPROACH US, TO PEOPLE TO APPROACH US, TO EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH US IS EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH US IS HAVING VETERANS PROVIDING HAVING VETERANS PROVIDING SERVICE TO OTHER VETERANS AND SERVICE TO OTHER VETERANS AND THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE. THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE. THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY WHERE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY WHERE BRING TO THE TABLE AREN'T ALL BRING TO THE TABLE AREN'T ALL THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SEE THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SEE WITH OTHER FOLKS AND THERE'S A WITH OTHER FOLKS AND THERE'S A MILITARY CULTURE THAT MILITARY CULTURE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO IT, LESS OF A CONTRIBUTES TO IT, LESS OF A SENSE OF URGENCY THAN YOU MIGHT SENSE OF URGENCY THAN YOU MIGHT OTHERWISE SEE. OTHERWISE SEE. IF WE HAVE MILITARY VETERANS OR IF WE HAVE MILITARY VETERANS OR FAMILIES DEALING WITH -- A SENSE FAMILIES DEALING WITH -- A SENSE OF URGENCY IN THAT CULTURE AND OF URGENCY IN THAT CULTURE AND CAN BETTER GET THEIR FOOT IN THE CAN BETTER GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR AND INFLUENCE THAT PROCESS. DOOR AND INFLUENCE THAT PROCESS. >> FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE FACING >> FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE FACING A CRISIS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, A CRISIS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, HOW DO THEY GET IN CONTACT WITH HOW DO THEY GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU. YOU. >> THE CRISIS NUMBER IS >> THE CRISIS NUMBER IS 855-RALLY-4U. 855-RALLY-4U. >> THANKS FOR SPENDING YOUR TIME >> THANKS FOR SPENDING YOUR TIME WITH US AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO WITH US AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU BOTH. YOU BOTH. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >>> RESIDENTS IN ARIZONA ARE >>> RESIDENTS IN ARIZONA ARE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW WORLD WAR TRYING TO BUILD A NEW WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL JUST EAST OF THE II MEMORIAL JUST EAST OF THE CAPITAL IN PHOENIX. CAPITAL IN PHOENIX. AND WE ARE INTRODUCING YOU TO AND WE ARE INTRODUCING YOU TO WORLD WAR II VETERANS. WORLD WAR II VETERANS. >> YOU WERE AT PEARL HARBOR AND >> YOU WERE AT PEARL HARBOR AND YOU SURVIVED IT. YOU SURVIVED IT. TELL US ABOUT THAT DAY. TELL US ABOUT THAT DAY. >> WELL, THAT DAY, I HAPPENED TO >> WELL, THAT DAY, I HAPPENED TO BE IN SCOFIELD BARRACKS. BE IN SCOFIELD BARRACKS. MY OUTFIT WAS BUILDING A MY OUTFIT WAS BUILDING A BARRACKS OUT THERE NEAR THE BARRACKS OUT THERE NEAR THE NAVAL AIR STATION. NAVAL AIR STATION. I HAD A CHANCE TO THE SCOFIELD I HAD A CHANCE TO THE SCOFIELD BARRACKS BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF BARRACKS BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF TREE TRUNKS TO GET OUT OF THERE. TREE TRUNKS TO GET OUT OF THERE. OUR BUILDING WAS RIGHT NEXT TO OUR BUILDING WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE FIELD AND I WAS ON THE THE FIELD AND I WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND I HEAR THIS SECOND FLOOR, AND I HEAR THIS NOISE, ***, ***, *** AND WE NOISE, ***, ***, *** AND WE ALL RAN TO THE PORCH TO LOOK OUT ALL RAN TO THE PORCH TO LOOK OUT AND WE SEE THESE PLANES FLYING AND WE SEE THESE PLANES FLYING OVERHEAD. OVERHEAD. AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE SEE THEM DROPPING WHAT WE SEE THEM DROPPING WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE FLOUR SACKS BECAUSE THOUGHT WERE FLOUR SACKS BECAUSE THE RED CROSS WERE ALWAYS DOING THE RED CROSS WERE ALWAYS DOING MANEUVERS AND WHEN THEY DROPPED MANEUVERS AND WHEN THEY DROPPED THE FLOUR SACKS, IT WOULD KNOCK THE FLOUR SACKS, IT WOULD KNOCK THE RADAR SCREENS OUT. THE RADAR SCREENS OUT. BUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE FLOUR BUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE FLOUR SACKS, WE REALIZED THEIR BOMBS. SACKS, WE REALIZED THEIR BOMBS. WHEN IT CAME APART IN THE AREA, WHEN IT CAME APART IN THE AREA, WE KNEW WHAT WAS WHAT SO WE WE KNEW WHAT WAS WHAT SO WE SCAMPERED AROUND AND GOT DRESSED SCAMPERED AROUND AND GOT DRESSED AND THERE WAS ONLY LIKE ABOUT AND THERE WAS ONLY LIKE ABOUT EIGHT OF US THERE OUT OF 198. EIGHT OF US THERE OUT OF 198. THERE WAS ONLY ABOUT EIGHT OF US THERE WAS ONLY ABOUT EIGHT OF US IN THE BUILDING AT THE TIME. IN THE BUILDING AT THE TIME. AND WE GET OUT OF THE QUAD AND WE GET OUT OF THE QUAD DRANGLE. DRANGLE. THANK GOD THEY DIDN'T HAVE THANK GOD THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYMORE BOMBS. ANYMORE BOMBS. AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT UNTIL WE AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT UNTIL WE GOT SOME AMMUNITION AND SO GOT SOME AMMUNITION AND SO FORTH. FORTH. >> HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WERE YOU FEARFUL OR -- WERE YOU FEARFUL OR -- >> I GUESS WE WERE SO BUSY, YOU >> I GUESS WE WERE SO BUSY, YOU DIDN'T STOP TO FEEL ABOUT DIDN'T STOP TO FEEL ABOUT ANYTHING, REALLY. ANYTHING, REALLY. WE WERE RUNNING AROUND GETTING WE WERE RUNNING AROUND GETTING AMMUNITION, THE NEXT THING WE AMMUNITION, THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, WE'RE DIGGING FOXHOLES OUT KNOW, WE'RE DIGGING FOXHOLES OUT IN THE QUADRA 234R ARKSQUADRANG IN THE QUADRA 234R ARKSQUADRANG THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING. ONE OF THE FELLOWS THERE, HE ONE OF THE FELLOWS THERE, HE TOOK OFF FIRING TO THIS PLANE TOOK OFF FIRING TO THIS PLANE AND I SAID, HEY, PRATT, WHAT THE AND I SAID, HEY, PRATT, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU FIRING AT? HELL ARE YOU FIRING AT? HE SAID, I'M FIRING AT THAT HE SAID, I'M FIRING AT THAT PLANE. PLANE. I SAID THAT'S OUR PLANE. I SAID THAT'S OUR PLANE. HE SAID HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO HE SAID HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW? KNOW? HE DIED HERE THREE OR FOUR YEARS HE DIED HERE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, HE WAS THE ONE THAT SHOT AGO, HE WAS THE ONE THAT SHOT DOWN FOUR PLANES THAT DAY. DOWN FOUR PLANES THAT DAY. THESE TWO PLANES OUT THERE, FOUR THESE TWO PLANES OUT THERE, FOUR PLANES OUT THERE, AND ONE FELLOW PLANES OUT THERE, AND ONE FELLOW SHOT DOWN FOUR AND THE OTHER SHOT DOWN FOUR AND THE OTHER FELLOW SHOT DOWN TWO. FELLOW SHOT DOWN TWO. THAT'S ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS, THAT'S ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS, REALLY. REALLY. >> AND SO THEN IN SUBSEQUENT >> AND SO THEN IN SUBSEQUENT DAYS, WHAT DID YOU DO? DAYS, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> RIGHT AFTER THE ATTACKS, ALL >> RIGHT AFTER THE ATTACKS, ALL THE FELLOWS, WE ALL GOT THE FELLOWS, WE ALL GOT ORGANIZED AND SO FORTH AND WE ORGANIZED AND SO FORTH AND WE HAD ALL KINDS OF RUMORS GOING HAD ALL KINDS OF RUMORS GOING AROUND, THE JAPANS HAD LANDED AROUND, THE JAPANS HAD LANDED HERE, THE JAPSED A LANDED THERE HERE, THE JAPSED A LANDED THERE AND SO FORTH. AND SO FORTH. WE HAD A LOT OF FELLOWS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF FELLOWS THAT CAME IN WITH THE DRAFT AND SOME CAME IN WITH THE DRAFT AND SOME OF THEM, THAT'S ABOUT THE WAY OF THEM, THAT'S ABOUT THE WAY THIS WAS. THIS WAS. THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, AND THE THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, AND THE NEXT DAY, WE WENT OUT TO NEXT DAY, WE WENT OUT TO DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND I WAS DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND I WAS ASSIGNED TO GO TO THE TOP OF A ASSIGNED TO GO TO THE TOP OF A POLLY THERE IN CASE THE JAPANESE POLLY THERE IN CASE THE JAPANESE SHOULD LAND THERE ON THAT SIDE SHOULD LAND THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ISLANDS WHERE THE GOOD OF THE ISLANDS WHERE THE GOOD BEACHES WERE. BEACHES WERE. BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T LAND AT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T LAND AT WAIKIKI BECAUSE THERE WERE ANY WAIKIKI BECAUSE THERE WERE ANY GOOD BEACHES THERE. GOOD BEACHES THERE. I WOULD SIT THERE FOR ONE MONTH I WOULD SIT THERE FOR ONE MONTH IN CASE THE JAPANESE LANDED ON IN CASE THE JAPANESE LANDED ON US. US. AND WE LOCKED THEM UP AND KEPT AND WE LOCKED THEM UP AND KEPT THEM OUT FROM HONOLULU WHERE ALL THEM OUT FROM HONOLULU WHERE ALL THE AMMUNITION WAS STORED IN THE AMMUNITION WAS STORED IN DIAMOND HEAD. DIAMOND HEAD. BUT THEY NEVER CAME BACK, SO BUT THEY NEVER CAME BACK, SO THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS IT. YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY. YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY. >> WHEN DID YOU REALIZE WHAT >> WHEN DID YOU REALIZE WHAT DEVASTATION HAD BEEN DONE TO THE DEVASTATION HAD BEEN DONE TO THE NAVY FLEET AT PEARL HARBOR? NAVY FLEET AT PEARL HARBOR? >> WELL, OF COURSE WE SAW IT >> WELL, OF COURSE WE SAW IT EVERY DAY, AS WE WOULD GO BACK EVERY DAY, AS WE WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH TO BUILD THE PILL AND FORTH TO BUILD THE PILL BOXES, WE WOULD GO BACK AND BOXES, WE WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH AND SOME OF THE SHIPS WERE FORTH AND SOME OF THE SHIPS WERE STILL BURNING AND SO FORTH. STILL BURNING AND SO FORTH. >> FOR DAYS AND DAYS. >> FOR DAYS AND DAYS. >> YEP. >> YEP. >> AND DID YOU HAVE AN AWARENESS >> AND DID YOU HAVE AN AWARENESS OF HOW MANY MEN WERE KILLED OF HOW MANY MEN WERE KILLED THERE? THERE? >> NO, I -- WE JUST KIND OF GOT >> NO, I -- WE JUST KIND OF GOT THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WE THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL IN SEPARATE UNITS AND WERE ALL IN SEPARATE UNITS AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW. SO FORTH, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND THEN WE -- SEVERAL MONTHS AND THEN WE -- UNTIL WE GOT READY TO GO TO NEW UNTIL WE GOT READY TO GO TO NEW ZEALAND AND ENDED UP IN GAUDAL ZEALAND AND ENDED UP IN GAUDAL CANAL. CANAL. >> AND YOU SENDED UP IN THOSE >> AND YOU SENDED UP IN THOSE ISLANDS IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC ". ISLANDS IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC ". >> WHEN THE COMBAT WAS OVER IN >> WHEN THE COMBAT WAS OVER IN GUADALCANAL, THE ONLY THING THAT GUADALCANAL, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LEFT WAS THOSE AIRPLANES AND WAS LEFT WAS THOSE AIRPLANES AND SUCH. SUCH. ON JUNE 16, THEY HAD 100 PLANES ON JUNE 16, THEY HAD 100 PLANES COME OVER THAT DAY AND WE COME OVER THAT DAY AND WE COUNTED 96 OF THEM. COUNTED 96 OF THEM. APPARENTLY IT WAS A SUICIDE APPARENTLY IT WAS A SUICIDE MISSION AND THEY FIGURED THE MISSION AND THEY FIGURED THE OTHER FOUR CRASHED IN THE NATION OTHER FOUR CRASHED IN THE NATION OR SOMETHING. OR SOMETHING. >> TELL ME ABOUT YOUR ENLISTMENT >> TELL ME ABOUT YOUR ENLISTMENT IN THE ARMY, BECAUSE THAT'S AN IN THE ARMY, BECAUSE THAT'S AN INTERESTING STORY. INTERESTING STORY. >> I FIRST WENT IN THE ARMY IN >> I FIRST WENT IN THE ARMY IN APRIL, 1936 WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS APRIL, 1936 WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS OLD. OLD. >> AND HOW DID YOU PULL THAT >> AND HOW DID YOU PULL THAT OFF? OFF? >> I JUST LIED ABOUT MY AGE AND >> I JUST LIED ABOUT MY AGE AND HAD MY MOTHER SIGN MY EXPE HAD MY MOTHER SIGN MY EXPE CERTIFICATE AND I WAS BIG THEN CERTIFICATE AND I WAS BIG THEN AS I AM NOW AND I WAS WELL AS I AM NOW AND I WAS WELL TRAINED IN AS MUCH AS I NEVER TRAINED IN AS MUCH AS I NEVER HAD TO GO THROUGH RECRUIT HAD TO GO THROUGH RECRUIT TRAINING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TRAINING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE MY FATHER HAD BEEN A BECAUSE MY FATHER HAD BEEN A RESERGEANT FROM WORLD WAR I AND RESERGEANT FROM WORLD WAR I AND I WAS 14 YEARS OLD AND I COULD I WAS 14 YEARS OLD AND I COULD TOSS A RIFLE OR ANYTHING. TOSS A RIFLE OR ANYTHING. AND THAT WAS MY FIRST STOP, I AND THAT WAS MY FIRST STOP, I USED TO GO ON MANEUVERS IN UP IN USED TO GO ON MANEUVERS IN UP IN THE CATSKILLS AND STUFF LIKE THE CATSKILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHEN I WAS IN THE THAT, THAT'S WHEN I WAS IN THE INFANTRY, THE 23rd INFANTRY. INFANTRY, THE 23rd INFANTRY. >> AND WE HAVE A WAR PILOT THAT >> AND WE HAVE A WAR PILOT THAT SPOKE AT THE AIR AND SPACE SPOKE AT THE AIR AND SPACE MUSEUM LAST YEAR. MUSEUM LAST YEAR. >> WE GET AT 150,000 VISITORS A >> WE GET AT 150,000 VISITORS A YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1986 AND WE HAVE GOT ABOUT SINCE 1986 AND WE HAVE GOT ABOUT 85 AIRCRAFT. 85 AIRCRAFT. THE MUSEUM IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S THE MUSEUM IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST PREMIER AVIATION SCIENCE MOST PREMIER AVIATION SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MUSEUMS. AND TECHNOLOGY MUSEUMS. MOST OTHER AIR AND SPACE MUSEUMS MOST OTHER AIR AND SPACE MUSEUMS AIL HAVE A VERY, SORT OF AIL HAVE A VERY, SORT OF SPECIFIC COLLECTION FOCUS, BE IT SPECIFIC COLLECTION FOCUS, BE IT THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE OR THE NAVY, WHEREAS AIR FORCE OR THE NAVY, WHEREAS WE AREN'T CONSTRAINED BY THAT, WE AREN'T CONSTRAINED BY THAT, SO WE CAN REPRESENT ALL FACETS SO WE CAN REPRESENT ALL FACETS OF AIR AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY OF AIR AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY HISTORY. HISTORY. THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR VISITORS ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE VISITORS ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE TUCSON AND ARIZONA REGION. TUCSON AND ARIZONA REGION. PROBABLY 75% OF OUR VISITORS ARE PROBABLY 75% OF OUR VISITORS ARE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES. >> YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE >> YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE DOING ALL THIS, DID YOU. DOING ALL THIS, DID YOU. >> ONE OF THOSE VISITORS THE MAX >> ONE OF THOSE VISITORS THE MAX MASON. MASON. FOR THE ENTIRETY OF WORLD WAR FOR THE ENTIRETY OF WORLD WAR II, MASON PILOTED A BOAT, THE II, MASON PILOTED A BOAT, THE PBM MARINER. PBM MARINER. >> I LOVE FLYING THE BOAT SO >> I LOVE FLYING THE BOAT SO MUCH, BECAUSE YOU NOT ONLY HAD MUCH, BECAUSE YOU NOT ONLY HAD TO BE A GOOD PILOT TO SURVIVE, TO BE A GOOD PILOT TO SURVIVE, YOU HAD TO BE A GOOD SAILOR. YOU HAD TO BE A GOOD SAILOR. >> ON ANY GIVEN P DAY, PROBABLY >> ON ANY GIVEN P DAY, PROBABLY ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR PEOPLE ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE DOOR HERE HAS COMING THROUGH THE DOOR HERE HAS HAD SOME DIRECT PERSONAL HAD SOME DIRECT PERSONAL ASSOCIATION WITH THE AIRPORT ASSOCIATION WITH THE AIRPORT HERE. HERE. >> A LOFT OVER AND AFLOAT IN >> A LOFT OVER AND AFLOAT IN BOTH THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC, BOTH THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC, HIS FINAL FLIGHT IN THE PBM WAS HIS FINAL FLIGHT IN THE PBM WAS INTERRUPTED ON THE LAST DAY OF INTERRUPTED ON THE LAST DAY OF THE WAR, WHEN JAPAN SURRENDERED. THE WAR, WHEN JAPAN SURRENDERED. >> WE TOOK OFF ON A REGULAR >> WE TOOK OFF ON A REGULAR AIR-SEA RESCUE FLIGHT. AIR-SEA RESCUE FLIGHT. WE HAD A CREW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAD A CREW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAD THAT DAY, BUT THE MANY WE HAD THAT DAY, BUT THE CHATTER WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH CHATTER WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE INTERCOM AND IT WAS JUST ON THE INTERCOM AND IT WAS JUST HILARIOUS. HILARIOUS. >> WHILE AIRBORNE, THE PBM >> WHILE AIRBORNE, THE PBM MARINER WAS ESSENTIALLY A BOAT MARINER WAS ESSENTIALLY A BOAT THAT COULD BOMB. THAT COULD BOMB. OUTFITTED WITH MACHINE-GUNS AND OUTFITTED WITH MACHINE-GUNS AND 4,000 POUNDS OF EITHER BOMBS OR 4,000 POUNDS OF EITHER BOMBS OR DEATH CHARGES, IT COULD ALSO BE DEATH CHARGES, IT COULD ALSO BE OUTNITTED WITH TORPEDOS. OUTNITTED WITH TORPEDOS. NOT SURPRISINGLY, IT'S TARGETS NOT SURPRISINGLY, IT'S TARGETS WERE OFTEN SUBMARINES. WERE OFTEN SUBMARINES. SINCE THE MARINER COULD FLOAT AS SINCE THE MARINER COULD FLOAT AS WELL AS FLY NEARLY 3,000 MILES, WELL AS FLY NEARLY 3,000 MILES, IT WAS OFTEN USED IN THE IT WAS OFTEN USED IN THE RECOVERY OF DOWNED AVIATORS AND RECOVERY OF DOWNED AVIATORS AND FULL RECONNAISSANCE. FULL RECONNAISSANCE. NEARLY 1,300 PBMs WERE PRODUCED. NEARLY 1,300 PBMs WERE PRODUCED. >> I HAVE BEEN READING IN OUR >> I HAVE BEEN READING IN OUR NEWSLETTERS HOW THEY HAVE BEEN NEWSLETTERS HOW THEY HAVE BEEN RESTORING IT FOR A DOZEN YEARS, RESTORING IT FOR A DOZEN YEARS, I THINK, SO I WANTED TO SEE IT. I THINK, SO I WANTED TO SEE IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I CAME TO AND SO THAT'S WHY I CAME TO TUCSON. TUCSON. I CONTINUED FLYING UNTIL FIVE I CONTINUED FLYING UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO, ACTIVELY FLYING. YEARS AGO, ACTIVELY FLYING. ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. STILL WOULD. STILL WOULD. I CAN STILL DRIVE MY CAR 60,000 I CAN STILL DRIVE MY CAR 60,000 MILES A YEAR ALL OVER THE MILES A YEAR ALL OVER THE HIGHWAYS OF AMERICA, THAT'S HIGHWAYS OF AMERICA, THAT'S OKAY, BUT THE FAA PULLED MY OKAY, BUT THE FAA PULLED MY FLYING LICENSE. FLYING LICENSE. >> THE AIRCRAFT, NEARLY ALL >> THE AIRCRAFT, NEARLY ALL PICTURE WORTHY, ARE DISPLAYED PICTURE WORTHY, ARE DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT THE 200 ACRE S THE THROUGHOUT THE 200 ACRE S THE NONPROFIT MUSEUM MAINTAINS. NONPROFIT MUSEUM MAINTAINS. >> FOR THE MOST PART WE TRY TO >> FOR THE MOST PART WE TRY TO REPRESENT THE DIVERSITY OF AIR REPRESENT THE DIVERSITY OF AIR AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY AS MUCH AS AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WHERE PRACTICAL. POSSIBLE AND WHERE PRACTICAL. WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY GOT A HIGH WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY GOT A HIGH BURDEN OF CARE, IT A LOT OF BURDEN OF CARE, IT A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY, SO WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBILITY, SO WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE ADD TO THE CAREFUL WHAT WE ADD TO THE COLLECTION TO MAKE SURE IT'S COLLECTION TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNIQUE AND INTERESTING TO THE UNIQUE AND INTERESTING TO THE VISITORS. VISITORS. >> THE ONE THING IN MY VIEW OF >> THE ONE THING IN MY VIEW OF ANY AIRCRAFT OF ANY TIME IS WHEN ANY AIRCRAFT OF ANY TIME IS WHEN THEY BUILT THE SW-1. THEY BUILT THE SW-1. >> OUR VISITORS ARE REALLY DRAWN >> OUR VISITORS ARE REALLY DRAWN TO THE SR-71 BLACK BIRD THAT YOU TO THE SR-71 BLACK BIRD THAT YOU SEE BEHIND US. SEE BEHIND US. IT'S A REAL CROWD PLEASER AND IT'S A REAL CROWD PLEASER AND EVEN 20 YEARS AFTER ITS EVEN 20 YEARS AFTER ITS OPERATIONAL RETIREMENT IT HAS OPERATIONAL RETIREMENT IT HAS WIDE A LEGION OF FANS AND WIDE A LEGION OF FANS AND FOLLOWERS. FOLLOWERS. >> IT'S KIND OF SICK COMPARED TO >> IT'S KIND OF SICK COMPARED TO THESE NEW AIRCRAFT, DOESN'T IT? THESE NEW AIRCRAFT, DOESN'T IT? I FLEW THAT 3,000 HOURS, I FLEW I FLEW THAT 3,000 HOURS, I FLEW IT ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT ALL OVER THE WORLD. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE THAT. THAT. I VISUALIZE THAT IT'S NOT REAL, I VISUALIZE THAT IT'S NOT REAL, ISN'T THAT FUNNY? ISN'T THAT FUNNY? >> I SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH IT, >> I SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH IT, I REMEMBER ALL MY BUDDIES THAT I REMEMBER ALL MY BUDDIES THAT WE LOST THINGS SO IT BRINGS BACK WE LOST THINGS SO IT BRINGS BACK TEARS. TEARS. BECAUSE I'M REMINDED OF THE BECAUSE I'M REMINDED OF THE HUMAN EXPERIENCES THAT'S THE HUMAN EXPERIENCES THAT'S THE ONES TO ME HAVE BEEN MOST ONES TO ME HAVE BEEN MOST LASTING, MORE THAN THE LASTING, MORE THAN THE EXPERIENCES IN THE AIRCRAFT, EXPERIENCES IN THE AIRCRAFT, ACTUALLY. ACTUALLY. BUT IT WAS A BIG PART OF MY BUT IT WAS A BIG PART OF MY LIFE, FOR 4 1/2 YEARS I LIVED IN LIFE, FOR 4 1/2 YEARS I LIVED IN THIS THING. THIS THING. I HAD TO SEE IT. I HAD TO SEE IT. >>> TUCSON AND THE ROAST OF >>> TUCSON AND THE ROAST OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA ARE KNOWN FOR SOUTHERN ARIZONA ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR GREAT CULTURAL DIE THEIR GREAT CULTURAL DIE SERIOUSITY AND TODAY WE BRING SERIOUSITY AND TODAY WE BRING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF -- TO CREATE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF -- TO CREATE ECLECTIC SOUND. ECLECTIC SOUND. >> THESE ARE GREAT. >> THESE ARE GREAT. THE WALLED GUITARS. THE WALLED GUITARS. >> THEY'RE LIKE A GREAT GRAND >> THEY'RE LIKE A GREAT GRAND PA. PA. WOW. WOW. >> WELL, THIS WAS MY OLD PLACE >> WELL, THIS WAS MY OLD PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. OF EMPLOYMENT. I WORKED HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS I WORKED HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND IT'S PRETTY INSPIRING, TO AND IT'S PRETTY INSPIRING, TO LIKE COME UP HERE AND SEE SO LIKE COME UP HERE AND SEE SO MUCH GRASS AND INSTRUMENTS AND MUCH GRASS AND INSTRUMENTS AND THERE'S A PILOT ACCORDION. THERE'S A PILOT ACCORDION. YEAH, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE NEVER YEAH, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE NEVER WANTED TO PLAY, YOU CAN FIND UP WANTED TO PLAY, YOU CAN FIND UP HERE. HERE. >> WHERE? >> WHERE? >> I REALLY THINK CHICAGO STORE >> I REALLY THINK CHICAGO STORE IS A HUGE FACTOR IN WHY TUCSON IS A HUGE FACTOR IN WHY TUCSON IS SUCH A BIG MUSIC SCENE. IS SUCH A BIG MUSIC SCENE. ¶ ¶ ¶ ¶ >> IF I'M KIND OF DISCOVERING >> IF I'M KIND OF DISCOVERING MUSIC FROM AROUND THE WORLD, MUSIC FROM AROUND THE WORLD, OLD, LIKE, FOLK MUSIC. OLD, LIKE, FOLK MUSIC. AND FROM PERU FROM THE '60s AND FROM PERU FROM THE '60s TEACHING MUSIC AND THEY SOMEHOW TEACHING MUSIC AND THEY SOMEHOW ALL SEEM TO JUST MESH SO WELL. ALL SEEM TO JUST MESH SO WELL. AND THIS DANCE IS KIND OF AN AND THIS DANCE IS KIND OF AN EXPLORATION INTO HOW FAR WE CAN EXPLORATION INTO HOW FAR WE CAN GO AND GET ALL THIS STUFF TO FIT GO AND GET ALL THIS STUFF TO FIT TOGETHER. TOGETHER. ¶ SING A SONG ¶ SING A SONG ¶ DANCE A DANCE THROUGH THE ¶ DANCE A DANCE THROUGH THE NIGHT ¶ NIGHT ¶ ¶ I'M TRAVELING ¶ I'M TRAVELING ¶. ¶. >> WE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD AT >> WE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD AT ETHNIC THINGS LIKE THE CUMBIATA ETHNIC THINGS LIKE THE CUMBIATA SOUND, LIKE THE BALKANS, IT'S SOUND, LIKE THE BALKANS, IT'S LIKE A EUROPEAN SOUND. LIKE A EUROPEAN SOUND. AND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU THROW AND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU THROW IN, LIKE, SOME TEX-MEX, WHERE IN, LIKE, SOME TEX-MEX, WHERE IT'S JUST FUN TO PLAY. IT'S JUST FUN TO PLAY. AND YOU GET THIS WHOLE DIFFERENT AND YOU GET THIS WHOLE DIFFERENT SOUND. SOUND. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT OUR AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT OUR BAND IS EVERYONE'S REALLY OPEN BAND IS EVERYONE'S REALLY OPEN TO EXPLORING THESE NEW AVENUES TO EXPLORING THESE NEW AVENUES OF MUSIC. OF MUSIC. EVERYONE KIND OF HAS A SAY EVERY EVERYONE KIND OF HAS A SAY EVERY NOW AND THEN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING NOW AND THEN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, ABOUT WHAT PATH WE WANT TO ON, ABOUT WHAT PATH WE WANT TO TAKE. TAKE. SO IT'S A VERY OPEN, CREATIVE SO IT'S A VERY OPEN, CREATIVE ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENT. ¶ I'M FEELING AND I'M CRYING FOR ¶ I'M FEELING AND I'M CRYING FOR YOU NOW ¶ YOU NOW ¶ ¶ AND IT'S BEEN SO LONG ¶ AND IT'S BEEN SO LONG >> MOST OF THE SONGS, GABE, HE'S >> MOST OF THE SONGS, GABE, HE'S PRETTY MUCH JUST HAD THEM ALL PRETTY MUCH JUST HAD THEM ALL DOWN AND THE IDEA WAS THERE. DOWN AND THE IDEA WAS THERE. IT WAS ALWAYS AN ONGOING IT WAS ALWAYS AN ONGOING PROCESS. PROCESS. BUT WHEN WE WERE IN STUDIO, IT BUT WHEN WE WERE IN STUDIO, IT SEEMED TO ALL COME TOGETHER AND SEEMED TO ALL COME TOGETHER AND HE HAD IT. HE HAD IT. ¶ THIS IS THE LAND OF THE ¶ THIS IS THE LAND OF THE DEVIL ¶ DEVIL ¶ ¶ THE MOTHER'S MOON IS THE ¶ THE MOTHER'S MOON IS THE FATHER'S SUN ¶ FATHER'S SUN ¶ ¶ YOU WEAR A CROSS OVER YOUR ¶ YOU WEAR A CROSS OVER YOUR HEART ¶ HEART ¶ >> IT WAS LIKE ORIGINALLY, WHEN >> IT WAS LIKE ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE STARTED, IT WAS NINE PEOPLE. WE STARTED, IT WAS NINE PEOPLE. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT'S OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT'S KIND OF CHANGING HERE AND THERE, KIND OF CHANGING HERE AND THERE, SOME SHOWS, SOMEBODY CAN'T MAKE SOME SHOWS, SOMEBODY CAN'T MAKE IT, IT'S A BIG GROUP, ESPECIALLY IT, IT'S A BIG GROUP, ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYBODY'S PLAYING IT'S WHEN EVERYBODY'S PLAYING IT'S HARD TO GET EVERYBODY AT EVERY HARD TO GET EVERYBODY AT EVERY SHOW. SHOW. WE HAVE KIND OF LEARNED TO WORK WE HAVE KIND OF LEARNED TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT TIMES. WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT TIMES. AND BEING ABLE TO PLAY IT LONGER AND BEING ABLE TO PLAY IT LONGER IS REALLY IMPORTANT, IF YOU IS REALLY IMPORTANT, IF YOU CAN'T DO YOUR SONGS ACOUSTIC. CAN'T DO YOUR SONGS ACOUSTIC. YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING WRONG. YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING WRONG. >> TUCSON IS SUCH A GREAT >> TUCSON IS SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY FOR MUSIC. COMMUNITY FOR MUSIC. I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT STYLES OF MUSIC BEING PLAYED IN STYLES OF MUSIC BEING PLAYED IN THIS TOWN AND SO FUN TO JUST MIX THIS TOWN AND SO FUN TO JUST MIX UP WITH SOMEBODY. UP WITH SOMEBODY. EVERYONE'S COLLABORATIVE. EVERYONE'S COLLABORATIVE. EVERYONE'S LOOKING TO MAKE SOME EVERYONE'S LOOKING TO MAKE SOME NEW MUSIC OR SOME DIFFERENT NEW MUSIC OR SOME DIFFERENT GROUP. GROUP. IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY TO BE A IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF. PART OF. >> IT'S JUST SO GREAT, I DON'T >> IT'S JUST SO GREAT, I DON'T THINK I COULD EVER LEAVE THIS THINK I COULD EVER LEAVE THIS PLACE. PLACE. IT'S JUST A FLOW OF CREATIVITY IT'S JUST A FLOW OF CREATIVITY AND THE COMMUNITY IS SO NATURAL AND THE COMMUNITY IS SO NATURAL AND EVERYBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO AND EVERYBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO EACH OTHER'S PROJECTS AND ADD EACH OTHER'S PROJECTS AND ADD THEIR FLAVORS AND BEFORE YOU THEIR FLAVORS AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, SOME HUGE BAND CAN ONLY KNOW IT, SOME HUGE BAND CAN ONLY HAPPEN HERE IN TUCSON. HAPPEN HERE IN TUCSON. ¶ ¶ >> >> A NICE VIDEO POSTCARD FROM >> >> A NICE VIDEO POSTCARD FROM PHOTOGRAPHER AND EDITOR MAX PHOTOGRAPHER AND EDITOR MAX ERIC, WE GIVE YOU A BRILLIANT ERIC, WE GIVE YOU A BRILLIANT GLIMPSE OF THE LIGHTS AT THE ZOO GLIMPSE OF THE LIGHTS AT THE ZOO IN MIDTOWN TUCSON. ¶ >>> YOU CAN GET MORE NEWS AND >>> YOU CAN GET MORE NEWS AND INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. COMING UP TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'LL COMING UP TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO HELEN GLASS WHO INTRODUCE YOU TO HELEN GLASS WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY DURING WORLD SERVED OUR COUNTRY DURING WORLD WAR II AND A TUCSON RESIDENT WHO WAR II AND A TUCSON RESIDENT WHO WAS RECENTLY INDUKTDED AS A FOAL WAS RECENTLY INDUKTDED AS A FOAL LOW IN THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF LOW IN THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF NURSING WILL JOIN US. NURSING WILL JOIN US. YOU'LL GET TO KNOW HER. YOU'LL GET TO KNOW HER. FROM ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC FROM ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.