Arizona Week 08/23/13

>> I HAVE A DREAM THAT ONE DAY THIS NATION WILL RISE UP LIVE THIS NATION WILL RISE UP LIVE OUT THE TRUE MEANING OF ITS OUT THE TRUE MEANING OF ITS CREED. CREED. WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE SELF-EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. CREATED EQUAL. >> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK IS >> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT FROM THE STONE WALL FOUNDATION. FROM THE STONE WALL FOUNDATION. AND BY MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC AND BY MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. MEDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. SUPPORT. ONCE AGAIN YOUR MODERATOR ONCE AGAIN YOUR MODERATOR MICHAMIKE MICHAMIKE CHIHAK. CHIHAK. >> WE MEASURE RACIAL PROGRESS >> WE MEASURE RACIAL PROGRESS AND LOOK AT EVENT PLANS FIRST. AND LOOK AT EVENT PLANS FIRST. >> I'M LUTHER HOLLAND I WAS OR >> I'M LUTHER HOLLAND I WAS OR DETAINED 43 YEARS AGO. DETAINED 43 YEARS AGO. AND PRIOR TO THAT WAS STRIVING AND PRIOR TO THAT WAS STRIVING TO BECOME AN OR DETAINED MEMBER TO BECOME AN OR DETAINED MEMBER OF THE CLERGY. OF THE CLERGY. BECAME INVOLVED IN THE NATIONAL BECAME INVOLVED IN THE NATIONAL ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE. ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE. IT HAD A LOT OF HISTORY FOR IT HAD A LOT OF HISTORY FOR BLACK PEOPLE. BLACK PEOPLE. I GOT INVOLVED IN THE JAMAICA I GOT INVOLVED IN THE JAMAICA BRANCH OF THE NAACP YOUTH AND BRANCH OF THE NAACP YOUTH AND ADULT DIVISION. ADULT DIVISION. THAT GOT ME INVOLVED IN 1963 FOR THAT GOT ME INVOLVED IN 1963 FOR THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON. THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON. WE HAD ABOUT TEN BUSES THAT LEFT WE HAD ABOUT TEN BUSES THAT LEFT OUR BRANCH FROM JAMAICA NEW YORK OUR BRANCH FROM JAMAICA NEW YORK TO GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. I THINK WE LEFT BETWEEN 2 AND I THINK WE LEFT BETWEEN 2 AND 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND TOOK A 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND TOOK A SIX HOUR TRIP. SIX HOUR TRIP. WE STOPPED FOR A BRIEF BREAKFAST WE STOPPED FOR A BRIEF BREAKFAST AND A SNACK AND WENT INTO D.C. AND A SNACK AND WENT INTO D.C. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THE REASON AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THE REASON WE STOPPED OUTSIDE OF D.C. WE STOPPED OUTSIDE OF D.C. THE REASON WE STOPPED OUTSIDE OF THE REASON WE STOPPED OUTSIDE OF D.C. BECAUSE HAD WE STOPPED IN D.C. BECAUSE HAD WE STOPPED IN D.C. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO EAT IN D.C. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO EAT IN AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD ACCEPT NEGROES OR BLACK PEOPLE. ACCEPT NEGROES OR BLACK PEOPLE. IN 1963 THERE WAS NO FAIR IN 1963 THERE WAS NO FAIR HOUSING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR BLACK HOUSING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR BLACK PEOPLE. PEOPLE. NOR WAS THERE PLACES TO EAT. NOR WAS THERE PLACES TO EAT. PLACES TO GO TO THE BATHROOM PLACES TO GO TO THE BATHROOM UNLESS IT WAS FOR COLORED PEOPLE UNLESS IT WAS FOR COLORED PEOPLE ONLY. ONLY. PLACES TO DRINK WATER FROM A PLACES TO DRINK WATER FROM A WATER FOUNTAIN. WATER FOUNTAIN. THERE WERE WHITE WATER FOUNTAINS THERE WERE WHITE WATER FOUNTAINS AND BLACK WATER FOUNTAINS. AND BLACK WATER FOUNTAINS. THAT IS JUST 50 YEARS AGO IN THAT IS JUST 50 YEARS AGO IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS COUNTRY. WHEN I ARRIVED AND WHEN OUR WHEN I ARRIVED AND WHEN OUR BUSES UNLOADED I WAS FORTUNATE BUSES UNLOADED I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE ESCORTED AS FAR UP FRONT TO BE ESCORTED AS FAR UP FRONT AS I COULD GET AND SO I WAS AS I COULD GET AND SO I WAS ABOUT 50 TO 100 FEET AWAY FROM ABOUT 50 TO 100 FEET AWAY FROM THE PLATFORM THE DAIS IN WHICH THE PLATFORM THE DAIS IN WHICH PEOPLE WERE TO SPEAK AND SING. PEOPLE WERE TO SPEAK AND SING. AND MY 15-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF AND MY 15-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THIS WAS LISTENING TO MARION THIS WAS LISTENING TO MARION ANDERSON. ANDERSON. SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN FIRST BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN FIRST BLACK PEOPLE TO SING WITH THE PEOPLE TO SING WITH THE METROPOLITAN OPERA IN NEW YORK. METROPOLITAN OPERA IN NEW YORK. THE SINGER THAT I REMEMBER IS THE SINGER THAT I REMEMBER IS MAHALIA JACKSON. MAHALIA JACKSON. SHE WAS A BLACK GOSPEL SINGER SHE WAS A BLACK GOSPEL SINGER OUT OF CHICAGO. OUT OF CHICAGO. SHE SANG A BLACK SPIRITUAL. SHE SANG A BLACK SPIRITUAL. THE WORDS GO SOMETHING LIKE THE WORDS GO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THIS. I HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SURE AS I HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SURE AS YOU ARE BORN. YOU ARE BORN. AND IT WAS AT THAT POINT THAT AND IT WAS AT THAT POINT THAT TEARS BEGAN TO FLOW FROM MY TEARS BEGAN TO FLOW FROM MY EYES. EYES. IT BECAME PERSONAL. IT BECAME PERSONAL. I LOOKED AROUND. I LOOKED AROUND. AND I DIDN'T KNOW A SOUL THAT AND I DIDN'T KNOW A SOUL THAT WAS STANDING NEXT TO ME. WAS STANDING NEXT TO ME. BUT THEIR EYES WERE WELLED UP BUT THEIR EYES WERE WELLED UP ALSO. ALSO. AND TEARS WERE FLOWING. AND TEARS WERE FLOWING. AND THESE WERE WHITE AND BLACK AND THESE WERE WHITE AND BLACK -- BROWN PEOPLE. -- BROWN PEOPLE. AND THEY BEGAN TO SPEAK. AND THEY BEGAN TO SPEAK. AND THERE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF AND THERE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SLEEPING CAR PORTERS OF THE SLEEPING CAR PORTERS OF AMERICA. AMERICA. IT WAS A BLACK UNION. IT WAS A BLACK UNION. STOOD UP TO INTRODUCE DR. KING. STOOD UP TO INTRODUCE DR. KING. BUT WHAT STUCK IN MY MIND AND BUT WHAT STUCK IN MY MIND AND STILL STICKS THERE IS HIS FINAL STILL STICKS THERE IS HIS FINAL WORDS WERE LET ME PRESENT TO YOU WORDS WERE LET ME PRESENT TO YOU THE MORAL VOICE OF AMERICA. THE MORAL VOICE OF AMERICA. OF OUR NATION. OF OUR NATION. AND THEN THE CROWD WENT WILD. AND THEN THE CROWD WENT WILD. DR. KING STOOD UP. DR. KING STOOD UP. HE CAME TO THE MICROPHONE AND HE CAME TO THE MICROPHONE AND BEGAN HIS SPEECH. BEGAN HIS SPEECH. I USE THE WORD "SPEECH" BECAUSE I USE THE WORD "SPEECH" BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN OUT. IT WAS WRITTEN OUT. AND USUALLY WHEN SOMETHING IS AND USUALLY WHEN SOMETHING IS WRITTEN OUT IT IS A SPEECH. WRITTEN OUT IT IS A SPEECH. HE SPENT LOTS OF TIME WRITING HE SPENT LOTS OF TIME WRITING IT. IT. HE WAS IN DETROIT THE WEEK HE WAS IN DETROIT THE WEEK BEFORE. BEFORE. AND IN CHICAGO. AND IN CHICAGO. AND HE USED PHRASES FROM WHAT HE AND HE USED PHRASES FROM WHAT HE WAS WRITING AS -- AS A BACK DROP WAS WRITING AS -- AS A BACK DROP TO THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON "I TO THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON "I HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH. HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH. BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES HE BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES HE LEFT HIS TEXT. LEFT HIS TEXT. LEFT THE PRINTED WORD AND BEGAN LEFT THE PRINTED WORD AND BEGAN TO PREACH. TO PREACH. IT WAS THE LAST TIME WHEN HE GOT IT WAS THE LAST TIME WHEN HE GOT TO THE POINT OF MY COUNTRY TIS TO THE POINT OF MY COUNTRY TIS OF THEE. OF THEE. AND THEN HE STARTED TALKING AND THEN HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT "THE DREAM." ABOUT "THE DREAM." AND MAHALIA JACKSON IS SITTING AND MAHALIA JACKSON IS SITTING THERE. THERE. AND SHE BEGINS TO SHOUT TO THIS AND SHE BEGINS TO SHOUT TO THIS BLACK PREACHER. BLACK PREACHER. PREACH PASTOR AND TELL THEM PREACH PASTOR AND TELL THEM ABOUT THE DREAM. ABOUT THE DREAM. AND BY THE TIME SHE FINISHED AND BY THE TIME SHE FINISHED MARTIN KING'S VOICE WENT UP MARTIN KING'S VOICE WENT UP ABOUT TWO OCTAVES. ABOUT TWO OCTAVES. AND YOU COULD SEE HE THOUGHT HE AND YOU COULD SEE HE THOUGHT HE WAS AT A BLACK BAPTIST PULPIT WAS AT A BLACK BAPTIST PULPIT AND HE WAS AT CHURCH. AND HE WAS AT CHURCH. WELL THE SURROUNDINGS LOOKED WELL THE SURROUNDINGS LOOKED LIKE CHURCH. LIKE CHURCH. WE WERE ALL DRESSED IN SHIRTS WE WERE ALL DRESSED IN SHIRTS AND TIES AND SUIT JACKETS. AND TIES AND SUIT JACKETS. SPORT COATS. SPORT COATS. WOMEN HAD ON DRESSES AND PILL WOMEN HAD ON DRESSES AND PILL BOX HATS. BOX HATS. AND THE BLACK WOMEN HAD ON WHITE AND THE BLACK WOMEN HAD ON WHITE GLOVES. GLOVES. IT WAS AS THOUGH THEY WERE AT A IT WAS AS THOUGH THEY WERE AT A FORMAL CHURCH SERVICE. FORMAL CHURCH SERVICE. AND IT ENDED THAT WAY. AND IT ENDED THAT WAY. AND THEN AFTER DR. KING SPOKE -- AND THEN AFTER DR. KING SPOKE -- AND AFTER HE PREACHED ABOUT AND AFTER HE PREACHED ABOUT HAVING THIS DREAM INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS DREAM INSTEAD OF SAYING AMEN OR CLOSING WITH A SAYING AMEN OR CLOSING WITH A BENEDICTORY PRAYER HE JUST MOVES BENEDICTORY PRAYER HE JUST MOVES TO THE MICROPHONE AND SITS DOWN. TO THE MICROPHONE AND SITS DOWN. IT WAS A GREAT DAY. IT WAS A GREAT DAY. IT WAS A DAY I'LL NEVER FORGET. IT WAS A DAY I'LL NEVER FORGET. AND DR. KING GAVE US A ROAD MAP AND DR. KING GAVE US A ROAD MAP IN HIS LITANY OF THINGS THAT HE IN HIS LITANY OF THINGS THAT HE THOUGHT AMERICA NEEDED TO THOUGHT AMERICA NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH. ACCOMPLISH. WHEN I REALIZED WHAT WAS GOING WHEN I REALIZED WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE WERE TWO POINTS. ON THERE WERE TWO POINTS. THE FIRST ONE WAS AFTER MAHALIA THE FIRST ONE WAS AFTER MAHALIA SANG THE "I BEEN BUKED." SANG THE "I BEEN BUKED." IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT PEOPLE IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT PEOPLE LOOKED AROUND AND BEGAN TO HUG. LOOKED AROUND AND BEGAN TO HUG. AND I SAID WHERE DID ALL OF AND I SAID WHERE DID ALL OF THESE PEOPLE COME FROM? THESE PEOPLE COME FROM? AND WE CAME AND HEARD A DREAMER AND WE CAME AND HEARD A DREAMER DREAM. DREAM. AND WE ALL AGREED WITH THE AND WE ALL AGREED WITH THE DREAM. DREAM. AND THE DREAMER. AND THE DREAMER. AND WE LEFT THAT PLACE AND WE LEFT THAT PLACE COMMITTED. COMMITTED. AT LEAST I DID. AT LEAST I DID. SO I FIGURED IF I DID OTHERS DID SO I FIGURED IF I DID OTHERS DID ALSO. ALSO. WE LEFT THAT PLACE COMMITTED TO WE LEFT THAT PLACE COMMITTED TO HELP CHANGE AMERICA. HELP CHANGE AMERICA. >> OUR STATE HAS ITS OWN HISTORY >> OUR STATE HAS ITS OWN HISTORY OF RACISM AND PROGRESS. OF RACISM AND PROGRESS. ARIZONA STATE HISTORY PROFESSION ARIZONA STATE HISTORY PROFESSION WHITAKER LED THE RACE FOR WHITAKER LED THE RACE FOR DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. HERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. HERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. YOU RESEARCHED ARIZONA'S RACE YOU RESEARCHED ARIZONA'S RACE HISTORY. HISTORY. CAN YOU TELL ME IS IT DISTINCT CAN YOU TELL ME IS IT DISTINCT OR THE SAME AS IN OTHER PLACES? OR THE SAME AS IN OTHER PLACES? >> SOME AREAS IT IS THE SAME. >> SOME AREAS IT IS THE SAME. THERE ARE NUANCES. THERE ARE NUANCES. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR INSTANCE AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR INSTANCE HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE THAN 8 OR HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE THAN 8 OR 9%. 9%. SO AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS SO AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS STATE HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO STATE HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO INTERACT WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE INTERACT WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR AND OTHER WHITES TO OF COLOR AND OTHER WHITES TO FIGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. FIGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. SO AS OPPOSED TO SAY SELMA OR SO AS OPPOSED TO SAY SELMA OR BIRMINGHAM. BIRMINGHAM. ARIZONA CIVIL RIGHTS HAS NEVER ARIZONA CIVIL RIGHTS HAS NEVER JUST BEEN A BLACK/WHITE ISSUE. JUST BEEN A BLACK/WHITE ISSUE. IT HAS BEEN A VERY DIVERSE IT HAS BEEN A VERY DIVERSE COALITION IN THE FIGHT FOR CIVIL COALITION IN THE FIGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS HERE. RIGHTS HERE. >> AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS DID >> AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS DID THAT BRING TO THE FORE WITH THE THAT BRING TO THE FORE WITH THE POLICY MAKERS. POLICY MAKERS. INTERACTION WITH THOSE THAT MAY INTERACTION WITH THOSE THAT MAY NOT WANT RACIAL AND ETHNIC NOT WANT RACIAL AND ETHNIC MINORITIES TO GET AHEAD? MINORITIES TO GET AHEAD? >> THE POWERS THAT BE REALLY HAD >> THE POWERS THAT BE REALLY HAD TO FIGHT THE MULTIPLE WARS ON TO FIGHT THE MULTIPLE WARS ON EACH FRONT. EACH FRONT. THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE LATINO THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE LATINO ISSUES. ISSUES. NEW IMMIGRANTS WHETHER THAT IS NEW IMMIGRANTS WHETHER THAT IS GREEK OR OTHERS COMING HERE. GREEK OR OTHERS COMING HERE. SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DEFLECT SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DEFLECT BY POINTING TO MULTIPLE GROUPS. BY POINTING TO MULTIPLE GROUPS. THAT CHANGED THE DYNAMIC HERE A THAT CHANGED THE DYNAMIC HERE A LITTLE BIT AND ACTUALLY HASTENED LITTLE BIT AND ACTUALLY HASTENED SOME WONDERFUL CHANGES IN THE SOME WONDERFUL CHANGES IN THE LAWS IN ARIZONA IN ADVANCE OF LAWS IN ARIZONA IN ADVANCE OF CHANGING IT AT THE NATIONAL CHANGING IT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. LEVEL. >> DR. KING CAME TO PHOENIX BACK >> DR. KING CAME TO PHOENIX BACK IN THE '60s TO SPEAK. IN THE '60s TO SPEAK. AND WHEN I TALKED TO YOU IN AND WHEN I TALKED TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF OUR INTERVIEW I SAID ADVANCE OF OUR INTERVIEW I SAID THAT IS EVEN THOUGH ARIZONA HAD THAT IS EVEN THOUGH ARIZONA HAD THEN AND STILL HAS A VERY SMALL THEN AND STILL HAS A VERY SMALL AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION. AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION. BUT YOU SAID THAT IS NOT THE BUT YOU SAID THAT IS NOT THE CONSIDERATION HERE. CONSIDERATION HERE. >> NO, NOT AT ALL. >> NO, NOT AT ALL. THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT HIM HERE THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT HIM HERE WERE A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF WERE A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF FOLKS. FOLKS. HE WAS LED HERE BY HERBERT ELI HE WAS LED HERE BY HERBERT ELI HEAD LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE HEAD LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE NAACP. NAACP. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF GROUPS THERE WERE A NUMBER OF GROUPS THAT WERE INTERRACIAL. THAT WERE INTERRACIAL. THEY WANTED TO BRING US HERE TO THEY WANTED TO BRING US HERE TO TALK ABOUT JUSTICE AND EQUALITY TALK ABOUT JUSTICE AND EQUALITY AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC A K AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC A K ACCOMMODATIONS AND BROTHERHOOD ACCOMMODATIONS AND BROTHERHOOD AND SISTERHOOD. AND SISTERHOOD. >> AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF >> AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE VISIT SPECIFICALLY IN THE VISIT SPECIFICALLY IN ARIZONA? ARIZONA? ARE THEY MEASURABLE? ARE THEY MEASURABLE? >> I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE IN A >> I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. NUMBER OF WAYS. HE CAME TO THE OLDEST HE CAME TO THE OLDEST AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH IN THE STA STA STATE. STATE. BUT IT WAS NOT JUST BUT IT WAS NOT JUST AFRICAN-AMERICANS THERE. AFRICAN-AMERICANS THERE. HE CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT JOBS AND HE CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT JOBS AND TANGIBLE THINGS THAT BROUGHT TANGIBLE THINGS THAT BROUGHT ABOUT EQUALITY IN THE UNITED ABOUT EQUALITY IN THE UNITED STATES. STATES. HE WAS NOT JUST COMING TO TALK HE WAS NOT JUST COMING TO TALK ABOUT DREAMING. ABOUT DREAMING. HE WAS COMING TO TALK ABOUT HE WAS COMING TO TALK ABOUT DEALING WITH THE POOR. DEALING WITH THE POOR. WHETHER THAT IS THE WHITE POOR. WHETHER THAT IS THE WHITE POOR. DEALING WITH TREATING YOUR DEALING WITH TREATING YOUR NEIGHBOR POORLY AND TREATING NEIGHBOR POORLY AND TREATING THEM BETTER IF THEY WERE LATINOS THEM BETTER IF THEY WERE LATINOS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE. HERE. WHAT IT ENGENDERED ULTIMATELY WHAT IT ENGENDERED ULTIMATELY WAS THE CREATION OF THE HUMAN WAS THE CREATION OF THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMITTEE HERE IN RELATIONS COMMITTEE HERE IN PHOENIX. PHOENIX. THERE WAS A STATE COMMITTEE IS THERE WAS A STATE COMMITTEE IS THAT WAS DEVELOPED AFTERWARDS. THAT WAS DEVELOPED AFTERWARDS. WE ALSO PASSED A PUBLIC WE ALSO PASSED A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS LAW IN ARIZONA ACCOMMODATIONS LAW IN ARIZONA JUST BEFORE THE 1964 CIVIL JUST BEFORE THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT I SHOULD SAY. RIGHTS ACT I SHOULD SAY. AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. NOW KING CAN'T BE CREDITED WITH NOW KING CAN'T BE CREDITED WITH THAT. THAT. THE LOCAL COMMUNITY -- THE LOCAL THE LOCAL COMMUNITY -- THE LOCAL ACTIVISTS FOUGHT FOR THAT ALL ACTIVISTS FOUGHT FOR THAT ALL OVER THE STATE. OVER THE STATE. HE WAS ABLE TO BRING A RETORICAL HE WAS ABLE TO BRING A RETORICAL BRILLIANCE TO HELP WITH THAT BRILLIANCE TO HELP WITH THAT PUSH. PUSH. >> HAS THAT CONTINUE UNDERSTAND >> HAS THAT CONTINUE UNDERSTAND THE LAST -- CONTINUED IN THE THE LAST -- CONTINUED IN THE LAST CENTURY? LAST CENTURY? >> THERE WERE SYMBOLIC VICTORIES >> THERE WERE SYMBOLIC VICTORIES THAT SOME OF THE LEGAL CHANGES THAT SOME OF THE LEGAL CHANGES HAVE ENGENDERED. HAVE ENGENDERED. SO FOLKS CAN LEGALLY GO WHEREVER SO FOLKS CAN LEGALLY GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO. THEY WANT TO GO. FOLKS CAN LEGALLY ATTEND SCHOOLS FOLKS CAN LEGALLY ATTEND SCHOOLS THAT ARE -- AT LEAST ON PAPER THAT ARE -- AT LEAST ON PAPER DESEGREGATED. DESEGREGATED. BUT WE KNOW THAT MANY SCHOOLS IN BUT WE KNOW THAT MANY SCHOOLS IN ARIZONA ARE MORE SEGREGATED NOW ARIZONA ARE MORE SEGREGATED NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 1968. THAN THEY WERE IN 1968. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC REALITIES AND SOCIAL REALITIES REALITIES AND SOCIAL REALITIES THAT ENDURE. THAT ENDURE. SO KING IN THAT PARTICULAR SO KING IN THAT PARTICULAR GENERATION DID WHAT THEY HAD TO GENERATION DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO BY CHANGING MOST OF THE LAWS. DO BY CHANGING MOST OF THE LAWS. BUT THE LAWS DON'T NECESSARILY BUT THE LAWS DON'T NECESSARILY CHANGE THE ENGENDERED ATTITUDES. CHANGE THE ENGENDERED ATTITUDES. AND UNLESS THE LAWS ARE AND UNLESS THE LAWS ARE SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO DO THIS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO DO THIS -- CHANGE THE LAWS AND THE -- CHANGE THE LAWS AND THE EQUALITY IN SOCIETY. EQUALITY IN SOCIETY. THOSE THINGS ARE STILL THERE. THOSE THINGS ARE STILL THERE. >> SO ARE WE STILL DREAMING DR. >> SO ARE WE STILL DREAMING DR. KING'S DREAM? KING'S DREAM? FULFILLING IT SLOWLY? FULFILLING IT SLOWLY? >> I BELIEVE IT IS A PROCESS. >> I BELIEVE IT IS A PROCESS. I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY MALCOLM X I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY MALCOLM X WHO MANY PEOPLE FALSELY ALIGN WHO MANY PEOPLE FALSELY ALIGN WITH KING AS NEMESIS. WITH KING AS NEMESIS. BUT HE SAID IF YOU STABBED A BUT HE SAID IF YOU STABBED A PERSON WITH A KNIFE IS THAT PERSON WITH A KNIFE IS THAT PROGRESS? PROGRESS? I WOULD SAY THE KNIFE HAS BEEN I WOULD SAY THE KNIFE HAS BEEN PULLED OUT. PULLED OUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INCHES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INCHES. BUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT BUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT PROGRESS YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PROGRESS YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE KNIFE ALL THE WAY OUT. KNIFE ALL THE WAY OUT. THE WOUND IS STILL THERE IN THE WOUND IS STILL THERE IN EQUALITY. EQUALITY. GENDER INEQUALITY IS STILL GENDER INEQUALITY IS STILL THERE. THERE. RACIAL INEQUALITY IS STILL RACIAL INEQUALITY IS STILL THERE. THERE. >> ON TUESDAY A MARCH IS >> ON TUESDAY A MARCH IS PLANNED. PLANNED. HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND RACIAL HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND RACIAL PASTOR ARE PASTOR McDOWELL. PASTOR ARE PASTOR McDOWELL. PHIL LOPEZ WHO WAS AT THE PHIL LOPEZ WHO WAS AT THE ORIGINAL MARCH ON WASHINGTON. ORIGINAL MARCH ON WASHINGTON. AND THOMAS MARTIN. AND THOMAS MARTIN. WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU. WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU. MR. MARTIN TELL US ABOUT SOME OF MR. MARTIN TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE UNDER THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE UNDER WAY AND PLANNED IN CONNECTION WAY AND PLANNED IN CONNECTION WITH THE 50th ANNIVERSARY. WITH THE 50th ANNIVERSARY. >> COMING UP WE HAVE A CHURCH >> COMING UP WE HAVE A CHURCH SERVICE PLANNED AT 6:00. SERVICE PLANNED AT 6:00. COMING UP WE HAVE A FORUM FOR COMING UP WE HAVE A FORUM FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE AND GOOD HEALTH SOCIAL JUSTICE AND GOOD HEALTH CARE. CARE. >> AND GOOD ATTENDANCE? >> AND GOOD ATTENDANCE? >> YES ANTUNGOOD ATTENDANCE. >> YES ANTUNGOOD ATTENDANCE. >> AND WHERE IS THE SERVICE -- >> AND WHERE IS THE SERVICE -- WE'LL PUT THE INFORMATION ON OUR WE'LL PUT THE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. WEBSITE. THERE IS A MARCH ON WEDNESDAY. THERE IS A MARCH ON WEDNESDAY. THAT IS THE DAY -- THAT IS THE DAY -- >> ON WEDNESDAY WE HAVE A MARCH >> ON WEDNESDAY WE HAVE A MARCH COMMEMORATING THE ACTUAL MARCH. COMMEMORATING THE ACTUAL MARCH. >> AND MR. LOPEZ HOW IS THE >> AND MR. LOPEZ HOW IS THE VISION TODAY? VISION TODAY? >> I THINK WHAT THESE EVENTS DO >> I THINK WHAT THESE EVENTS DO THAT HIGHLIGHTS HOW FAR WE STILL THAT HIGHLIGHTS HOW FAR WE STILL HAVE TO GO ON THE ISSUES THAT HAVE TO GO ON THE ISSUES THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. STOOD MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. STOOD FOR. FOR. >> AND YOU WERE AT THE MARCH IN >> AND YOU WERE AT THE MARCH IN WASHINGTON? WASHINGTON? >> I WAS. >> I WAS. >> YOU ACTUALLY WITNESSED THE >> YOU ACTUALLY WITNESSED THE HISTORY? HISTORY? >> I WAS. >> I WAS. I WAS THERE PURELY BY ACCIDENT. I WAS THERE PURELY BY ACCIDENT. I HAD JUST COME HOME FROM I HAD JUST COME HOME FROM VOLUNTEERING FOR THE PEACE CORP VOLUNTEERING FOR THE PEACE CORP AND I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT AND I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. WAS GOING ON. SO I JUST SAID I WANT TO GO SEE SO I JUST SAID I WANT TO GO SEE WHAT THIS IS. WHAT THIS IS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL NEVER FORGET IS I GOT IN THE NEVER FORGET IS I GOT IN THE MARCH. MARCH. AND I FOUND MYSELF AMONG A LARGE AND I FOUND MYSELF AMONG A LARGE GROUP OF WOMEN. GROUP OF WOMEN. MOST OF THEM WERE AFRICAN MOST OF THEM WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN. AMERICAN. THEY HAD ON THESE HATS THAT SAID THEY HAD ON THESE HATS THAT SAID ILEGDU. ILEGDU. IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST UNIONS IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST UNIONS IN THE COUNTRY. IN THE COUNTRY. WE HAD A GREAT TIME IN THE MARCH WE HAD A GREAT TIME IN THE MARCH JUST TALKING. JUST TALKING. >> AND REVEREND McDOWELL -- MR. >> AND REVEREND McDOWELL -- MR. LOPEZ REFERRED TO THE NEED TO LOPEZ REFERRED TO THE NEED TO MAKE MORE PROGRESS. MAKE MORE PROGRESS. ARE WE MAKING PROGRESS? ARE WE MAKING PROGRESS? >> WELL WE HAVE QUITE A WAYS TO >> WELL WE HAVE QUITE A WAYS TO GO. GO. RIGHT HERE IN ARIZONA SOME RIGHT HERE IN ARIZONA SOME FIGURES I HEARD A FEW YEARS AGO FIGURES I HEARD A FEW YEARS AGO REGARDING INCARCERATION 13.7% OF REGARDING INCARCERATION 13.7% OF THE POPULATION IN PRISON AT THAT THE POPULATION IN PRISON AT THAT TIME WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN TIME WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALES. MALES. AND WE WERE ONLY 4 AND A HALF AND WE WERE ONLY 4 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. THE DROPOUT RATE IS VERY HIGH THE DROPOUT RATE IS VERY HIGH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILDREN. FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILDREN. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FIGURES I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FIGURES RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. AND WE HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS IN AND WE HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS IN REGARDS TO JOB DISCRIMINATION REGARDS TO JOB DISCRIMINATION THAT COME UP ALL THE TIME. THAT COME UP ALL THE TIME. THE WAY PEOPLE ARE TREATED AT THE WAY PEOPLE ARE TREATED AT TIMES. TIMES. AND YOU KNOW -- WE ARE JUST AND YOU KNOW -- WE ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. AND THEN THERE ARE MANY MORE. AND THEN THERE ARE MANY MORE. I WOULDN'T GO INTO ALL OF THEM I WOULDN'T GO INTO ALL OF THEM TODAY. TODAY. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE AREA OF >> LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE AREA OF PROGRESS. PROGRESS. MR. MARTIN ANTUNYOU'RE A PROFES. MR. MARTIN ANTUNYOU'RE A PROFES. ABOUT 4% HAD GONE TO COLLEGE AND ABOUT 4% HAD GONE TO COLLEGE AND GRADUATED. GRADUATED. NOW IT IS ABOUT 21% AND A YOU'RE NOW IT IS ABOUT 21% AND A YOU'RE ABOUT TO JOIN THOSE RANKS ABOUT TO JOIN THOSE RANKS ASSUMING YOUR STUDIES CONTINUE ASSUMING YOUR STUDIES CONTINUE TO GO WELL. TO GO WELL. IS THAT A SIGN OF PROGRESS? IS THAT A SIGN OF PROGRESS? >> IT IS DEFINITELY A SIGN OF >> IT IS DEFINITELY A SIGN OF PROGRESS. PROGRESS. BUT LIKE PASTOR McDOWELL SAID WE BUT LIKE PASTOR McDOWELL SAID WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. FOR EXAMPLE HERE AT THE FOR EXAMPLE HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA I BELIEVE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA I BELIEVE THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 200 THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 200 AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS. AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS. WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS WHICH IS UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS WHICH IS NOT A LOT IN TERMS OF THE NOT A LOT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS. NUMBERS. THAT IS NATIONWIDE. THAT IS NATIONWIDE. >> AND MR. LOPEZ PART OF THE WAY >> AND MR. LOPEZ PART OF THE WAY OF MAKING PROGRESS IS TO OF MAKING PROGRESS IS TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THESE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES. ISSUES. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOCIETY DON'T A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOCIETY DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE IT IS ISSUES BECAUSE IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE. UNCOMFORTABLE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? DO WE NEED THAT DIALOGUE AND HOW DO WE NEED THAT DIALOGUE AND HOW DO WE KEEP IT GOING? DO WE KEEP IT GOING? >> WELL I THINK THE DIALOGUE IS >> WELL I THINK THE DIALOGUE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. BUT I'M DUBIOUS ABOUT THE BUT I'M DUBIOUS ABOUT THE EFFORTS TO CREATE DIALOGUE IN EFFORTS TO CREATE DIALOGUE IN BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO DO BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO DO THIS. THIS. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS I GUESS WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS HAVING MORE AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HAVING MORE AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THE WORK PLACE. THE WORK PLACE. I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE TEAM OF COLLEGE ONE OF THE TEAM OF COLLEGE ONE OF FACULTY MEMBERS CAME UP AND FACULTY MEMBERS CAME UP AND TALKED TO ME. TALKED TO ME. HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TUCSON. TUCSON. HE SAID I NEVER SAW SO MANY HE SAID I NEVER SAW SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN MY LIFE. BLACK PEOPLE IN MY LIFE. WE DID THAT AT PIMA BECAUSE THE WE DID THAT AT PIMA BECAUSE THE FOCUS WAS ON RECRUITING FOCUS WAS ON RECRUITING AFRICAN-AMERICANS. AFRICAN-AMERICANS. SO I THINK DOING THAT SORT OF SO I THINK DOING THAT SORT OF THING AND HAVING MORE PEOPLE THING AND HAVING MORE PEOPLE INTERACT -- NOT IN A INTERACT -- NOT IN A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION BUT WORK HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION BUT WORK SITUATIONS. SITUATIONS. CHURCH SITUATIONS. CHURCH SITUATIONS. SOCIAL SITUATIONS. SOCIAL SITUATIONS. I THINK THAT IS MORE PREFERABLE I THINK THAT IS MORE PREFERABLE THAN TRYING TO CREATE YOU KNOW THAN TRYING TO CREATE YOU KNOW MEETINGS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT MEETINGS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT CIVILITY. CIVILITY. AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND THAT SORT OF THING. IN MY OPINION. IN MY OPINION. >> AND REVEREND McDOWELL IN JUST >> AND REVEREND McDOWELL IN JUST ABOUT HALF A MINUTE CAN WE DRAW ABOUT HALF A MINUTE CAN WE DRAW A LINE FROM 1963 -- THE MARTIN A LINE FROM 1963 -- THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SPEECH TODAY LUTHER KING JR. SPEECH TODAY WHEN WE HAVE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WHEN WE HAVE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT? PRESIDENT? >> OH I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY >> OH I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY YES. YES. NOT ONLY WAS MARTIN SO IMPORTANT NOT ONLY WAS MARTIN SO IMPORTANT IN THAT. IN THAT. AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO WERE AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO WERE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE STRUGGLE MADE THE DIFFERENCE IN STRUGGLE MADE THE DIFFERENCE IN TERM S OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. TERM S OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE'RE IN A SITUATION -- AS FINE WE'RE IN A SITUATION -- AS FINE A PRESIDENT WE HAVE. A PRESIDENT WE HAVE. IT IS RISKY TO SAY ANYTHING IT IS RISKY TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS. ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS. I APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO I APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TRAYVON SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TRAYVON MARTIN. MARTIN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. HERE. >>> THE NEXT GENERATION OF >>> THE NEXT GENERATION OF SOCIETAL LEADERS HAS A BEAD ON SOCIETAL LEADERS HAS A BEAD ON RACIAL AND GENDER PROGRESS. RACIAL AND GENDER PROGRESS. WE SPOKE WITH TWO COLLEGE WE SPOKE WITH TWO COLLEGE STUDENTS FOR THEIR VIEWS. STUDENTS FOR THEIR VIEWS. WE'RE SPEAKING TODAY WITH CORY WE'RE SPEAKING TODAY WITH CORY HARDY -- A PhD CANDIDATE AND HARDY -- A PhD CANDIDATE AND SYLVIA WHITLEY. SYLVIA WHITLEY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MS. WHITLEY DR. KING SPOKE >> MS. WHITLEY DR. KING SPOKE ABOUT HAVING A DREAM. ABOUT HAVING A DREAM. FROM THAT WHAT DREAM DO YOU FROM THAT WHAT DREAM DO YOU HAVE? HAVE? >> MY DREAM FALLS IN LINE WITH >> MY DREAM FALLS IN LINE WITH DR. KING AS WELL. DR. KING AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE EQUALITY ACROSS THE I WOULD LIKE EQUALITY ACROSS THE BOARD. BOARD. I WOULD LIKE THE SAME JOB I WOULD LIKE THE SAME JOB OPPORTUNITIES AS THE MALE OPPORTUNITIES AS THE MALE COUNTERPARTS HAVE. COUNTERPARTS HAVE. AS MY WHITE SISTERS HAVE AND TO AS MY WHITE SISTERS HAVE AND TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL MYSELF AS AN BE ABLE TO FULFILL MYSELF AS AN AMERICAN. AMERICAN. >> AND MS. HARDY. >> AND MS. HARDY. SAME QUESTION. SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS YOUR DREAM? WHAT IS YOUR DREAM? >> I THINK AS SYLVIA SAID IT IS >> I THINK AS SYLVIA SAID IT IS VERY SIMILAR IN KEEPING IN TUNE VERY SIMILAR IN KEEPING IN TUNE WITH THAT. WITH THAT. WE HAVE SEEN A LOT IN ADVANCES WE HAVE SEEN A LOT IN ADVANCES FOR RACIAL AND GENDER EQUALITY FOR RACIAL AND GENDER EQUALITY SINCE DR. KING SPOKE. SINCE DR. KING SPOKE. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT TRANSFER TO HEARTS AND THAT TRANSFER TO HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE ON AN INDIVIDUAL MINDS OF PEOPLE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND MORE ON A GROUND BASIS AND MORE ON A GROUND LEVEL. LEVEL. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE HAD BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE HAD ALL THE GREAT STRIDES. ALL THE GREAT STRIDES. WE HAVE HAD THEM LEGALLY AND WE HAVE HAD THEM LEGALLY AND ECONOMICALLY AND SOCIALLY. ECONOMICALLY AND SOCIALLY. THERE IS STILL A LOT OF SEXISM THERE IS STILL A LOT OF SEXISM AND RACIAL PREJUDICE. AND RACIAL PREJUDICE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ERADICATED ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. ERADICATED ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. >> NEITHER OF YOU WAS ALIVE WHEN >> NEITHER OF YOU WAS ALIVE WHEN DR. KING GAVE HIS FAMOUS "I HAVE DR. KING GAVE HIS FAMOUS "I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH." A DREAM SPEECH." BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MS. WHITLEY HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR WHITLEY HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR TIME AND TODAY'S SOCIETY? TIME AND TODAY'S SOCIETY? >> I BELIEVE IT AFFECTS MY LIFE >> I BELIEVE IT AFFECTS MY LIFE IN MANY WAYS FOR EXAMPLE. IN MANY WAYS FOR EXAMPLE. BEING ABLE TO ATTEND A BEING ABLE TO ATTEND A UNIVERSITY IN HIGHER EDUCATION. UNIVERSITY IN HIGHER EDUCATION. I DON'T FEEL -- I DON'T BELIEVE I DON'T FEEL -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO 50 YEARS AGO. BEEN ABLE TO DO 50 YEARS AGO. AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO HOLD A AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO HOLD A JOB AS A WOMAN. JOB AS A WOMAN. SO I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE SO I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE PROGRESSED FROM THE DAY THAT HE PROGRESSED FROM THE DAY THAT HE GAVE THAT SPEECH. GAVE THAT SPEECH. ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THERE IS A ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE PROGRESSION THAT NEEDS LOT MORE PROGRESSION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. TO TAKE PLACE. AS FAR AS FOR OUR JOB EMPLOYMENT AS FAR AS FOR OUR JOB EMPLOYMENT IT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR IT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR BLACKS 50 YEARS AGO WHICH IS BLACKS 50 YEARS AGO WHICH IS DOUBLE THAT OF WHITES. DOUBLE THAT OF WHITES. MANY CHILDREN STILL ATTEND MANY CHILDREN STILL ATTEND SEGREGATED SCHOOLS. SEGREGATED SCHOOLS. SO WE HAVE PROGRESSED. SO WE HAVE PROGRESSED. >> MS. HARDY HOW DO YOU SEE >> MS. HARDY HOW DO YOU SEE REFLECTED TODAY IN SOCIETY REFLECTED TODAY IN SOCIETY PROGRESS FROM 50 YEARS AGO? PROGRESS FROM 50 YEARS AGO? >> I THINK THE ISSUES THAT DR. >> I THINK THE ISSUES THAT DR. KING SPOKE ABOUT ARE STILL VERY KING SPOKE ABOUT ARE STILL VERY MUCH RELEVANT. MUCH RELEVANT. FOR ME PERSONALLY AS A FIRST FOR ME PERSONALLY AS A FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENT I GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENT I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE ECONOMIC HAVE EXPERIENCED THE ECONOMIC STRUGGLE AND I THINK THAT POOR STRUGGLE AND I THINK THAT POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN THE AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY -- THE GAP IS GROWING COUNTRY -- THE GAP IS GROWING WIDER AND WIDER BETWEEN THE POOR WIDER AND WIDER BETWEEN THE POOR AND SUPER RICH. AND SUPER RICH. AND AS SYLVIA SAID THERE ARE A AND AS SYLVIA SAID THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES STILL TO DEAL LOT OF ISSUES STILL TO DEAL WITH. WITH. THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRESS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN LIGHT OF THE HAS BEEN MADE IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT ATTENTION TO POLICE RECENT ATTENTION TO POLICE VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE. YOU KNOW WITH THE TRAYVON MARTIN YOU KNOW WITH THE TRAYVON MARTIN CASE AND WITH FRUIT VALLEY CASE AND WITH FRUIT VALLEY STATION COMING OUT AND PROFILING STATION COMING OUT AND PROFILING THE LIFE OF OSCAR GRANT. THE LIFE OF OSCAR GRANT. YOU KNOW STATISTICS ARE COMING YOU KNOW STATISTICS ARE COMING OUT EVERY 24 HOURS A BLACK MAN OUT EVERY 24 HOURS A BLACK MAN IS KILLED BY POLICE OR SOME SORT IS KILLED BY POLICE OR SOME SORT OF JUDICIAL FIGURE. OF JUDICIAL FIGURE. >> DOES A MESSAGE AS RESONANT AS >> DOES A MESSAGE AS RESONANT AS DR. KING'S MESSAGE FADE WITH DR. KING'S MESSAGE FADE WITH GENERATIONS. GENERATIONS. THAT GENERATIONS PERHAPS AS THAT GENERATIONS PERHAPS AS YOUNG AS YOU WILL LOSE SIGHT OF YOUNG AS YOU WILL LOSE SIGHT OF IT? IT? >> I DO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LOST >> I DO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LOST SIGHT OF THE DREAM. SIGHT OF THE DREAM. PEOPLE THINK WE ACHIEVED IT. PEOPLE THINK WE ACHIEVED IT. RACISM IS DEAD. RACISM IS DEAD. WE HAVE ACHIEVED IT. WE HAVE ACHIEVED IT. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOU CAN GO TO NOT SO NICE YOU CAN GO TO NOT SO NICE NEIGHBORHOODS AND RACIAL NAMES NEIGHBORHOODS AND RACIAL NAMES WILL BE CALLED OUT. WILL BE CALLED OUT. SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE THINK SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW. THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW. SO THEY KIND OF REVERT BACK TO SO THEY KIND OF REVERT BACK TO THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIVES. THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIVES. THEY'RE NOT WORKING AS A COUNTRY THEY'RE NOT WORKING AS A COUNTRY TO TRY TO COME TOGETHER. TO TRY TO COME TOGETHER. AND TO COMPLETE THE DREAM THAT AND TO COMPLETE THE DREAM THAT DR. KING ENVISIONED FOR US. DR. KING ENVISIONED FOR US. >> AND MS. HARDY YOUR THOUGHTS >> AND MS. HARDY YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY IN RELATION TO GENDER ESPECIALLY IN RELATION TO GENDER EQUITY. EQUITY. >> I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY A >> I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN. CONCERN. WITH REGARD TO RACE. WITH REGARD TO RACE. ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENCES. ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENCES. WE HAVE A PERVASIVE MYTH THAT WE WE HAVE A PERVASIVE MYTH THAT WE LIVE IN A POST-RACIAL AMERICA. LIVE IN A POST-RACIAL AMERICA. AND I THINK THAT EXTENDS TO AND I THINK THAT EXTENDS TO GENDER POLITICS AND *** GENDER POLITICS AND *** POLITICS AS WELL. POLITICS AS WELL. WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WOMEN WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WOMEN HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES TO MEN. HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES TO MEN. BLACKS DO HAVE EQUAL BLACKS DO HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES TO WHITES. OPPORTUNITIES TO WHITES. AND FROM THE DIFFERENCE IN AND FROM THE DIFFERENCE IN EQUALITY WE CAN SEE THAT IS NOT EQUALITY WE CAN SEE THAT IS NOT TRUE. TRUE. BUT THE IDEA IS PERVASIVE. BUT THE IDEA IS PERVASIVE. PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERMATH OF PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ELECTION OF PRESIDENT OBAMA. THE ELECTION OF PRESIDENT OBAMA. I TEACH UNDERGRADUATE STUDIES. I TEACH UNDERGRADUATE STUDIES. WE HAVE STUDENTS COMING IN THAT WE HAVE STUDENTS COMING IN THAT HAVE NO IDEA OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS HAVE NO IDEA OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. MOVEMENT. DON'T KNOW WHAT THE "I HAVE A DON'T KNOW WHAT THE "I HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH IS OR WHO MALCOLM DREAM" SPEECH IS OR WHO MALCOLM X IS. X IS. IT IS NOT RESONATING AS MUCH IT IS NOT RESONATING AS MUCH WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION BECAUSE THERE IS THIS PERVASIVE BECAUSE THERE IS THIS PERVASIVE IDEA THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED WHAT IDEA THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO. WE SET OUT TO DO. >> MS. WHITLEY HOW DO WE GET >> MS. WHITLEY HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THESE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS AND APPRECIATE THEM FOR THINGS AND APPRECIATE THEM FOR THE THINGS THEY ARE AND CONTINUE THE THINGS THEY ARE AND CONTINUE TO BE? TO BE? >> WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS >> WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE TO CONDUCT DIALOGUES CONTINUE TO CONDUCT DIALOGUES AND TALK ABOUT RACE. AND TALK ABOUT RACE. THIS NEEDS TO BE ON EVERYBODY'S THIS NEEDS TO BE ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. MIND. WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IN WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IN DOING SO WE CAN REALIZE WE CAN DOING SO WE CAN REALIZE WE CAN HAVE MORE COMMONALTIES BETWEEN HAVE MORE COMMONALTIES BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE PEOPLE THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE NOTICED BEFORE. NOTICED BEFORE. WE ALSO HAVE RECOGNIZE THE WE ALSO HAVE RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCES AND APPRECIATE THEM DIFFERENCES AND APPRECIATE THEM FOR THE DIFFERENCES. FOR THE DIFFERENCES. DOING ALL THE DIALOGUE ABOUT DOING ALL THE DIALOGUE ABOUT RACE IT WILL BRIDGE THE GAPS RACE IT WILL BRIDGE THE GAPS BETWEEN PEOPLE AND ALLOW US TO BETWEEN PEOPLE AND ALLOW US TO TRULY BE A COUNTRY THAT IS TRULY BE A COUNTRY THAT IS EQUAL. EQUAL. >> THERE IS MORE ON THE 50th >> THERE IS MORE ON THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. INCLUDING THE LINK TO THE TEXT INCLUDING THE LINK TO THE TEXT OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.'S "I OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.'S "I HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH. HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH. THAT IS OUR PROGRAM. THAT IS OUR PROGRAM. FOR ARIZONA WEEK I'M MICHAEL FOR ARIZONA WEEK I'M MICHAEL CHIHAK. CHIHAK. >> PRODUCTION IS MADE POSSIBLE >> PRODUCTION IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT FROM THE IN PART BY A GRANT FROM THE STONE WALL FOUNDATION AND BY STONE WALL FOUNDATION AND BY MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.